Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[10giz]

Last time I checked Mobley had +17 Net Rating with a +9.2 On/Off, which is pretty crazy for a rookie big. His defense is legit game changing, his offense will grow in time.

Go watch his tape.

Analytics don't tell the story.

He's being hidden away and protected without having any key responsibilities.

Anatlytics dont tell the whole story, but they reinforce what the eye test shows. Nothing about Mobley say's he doesn't have "notable impact" look at what he's done with these loser cavs in such a short time. Also for fun

Player A: 19 yrs old, 13.5 pts, 8.2 reb, 1.0 ast, 1.8 blk, 1.2 stl, 52 FG%
Player B: 19 yrs old, 10.4 pts, 6.3 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.6 blk, 1.1 stl, 49 FG%
Player C: 20 yrs old, 13.8 pts, 8.6 reb, 2.2 ast, 2.0 blk, 1.2 stl, 50 FG%

Who do you like more?

Spoiler:

Player A: Anthony Davis during his rookie season in 2012-13
Player B: Kevin Garnett during his rookie season in 1995-96
Player C: Evan Mobley during his rookie season right now

You're embarrassing yourself. Badly.

Go watch some footage. Using stats from 3 different era's to try and prove a point lol.

I love **** like this. Go watch their rookie footage and compare it to Mobley. If you can't see the difference, I don;'t know what to tell you.

[Raps in 4]

I watched every Evan Mobley play and highlight and am actually very, very disappointed.

People are simply looking at box scores and videos of blocked shots that really don't prove any notable impact.

The comparisons to previous elite bigs are so, so incredibly off that all it takes is watching any rookie video of AD, Bosh, KG, even KP to see how inferior he is physically and athletically to those type of prospects.

I'm actually kind of shocked tbh.

Barnes is on a completely other level IMO. He's better at literally everything and has a physical package Mobley can never have as he's so skinny with narrow shoulders, twig legs, smaller hands with a weak grip.

Mobley looks great. Way better than Bosh did in his rookie year.

I agree that Scottie looks better though.

[CanadaB-Ball]

Go watch his tape.

Analytics don't tell the story.

He's being hidden away and protected without having any key responsibilities.

Anatlytics dont tell the whole story, but they reinforce what the eye test shows. Nothing about Mobley say's he doesn't have "notable impact" look at what he's done with these loser cavs in such a short time. Also for fun

Player A: 19 yrs old, 13.5 pts, 8.2 reb, 1.0 ast, 1.8 blk, 1.2 stl, 52 FG%
Player B: 19 yrs old, 10.4 pts, 6.3 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.6 blk, 1.1 stl, 49 FG%
Player C: 20 yrs old, 13.8 pts, 8.6 reb, 2.2 ast, 2.0 blk, 1.2 stl, 50 FG%

Who do you like more?

Spoiler:

Player A: Anthony Davis during his rookie season in 2012-13
Player B: Kevin Garnett during his rookie season in 1995-96
Player C: Evan Mobley during his rookie season right now

You're embarrassing yourself. Badly.

Go watch some footage. Using stats from 3 different era's to try and prove a point lol.

I love **** like this. Go watch their rookie footage and compare it to Mobley. If you can't see the difference, I don;'t know what to tell you.

Here’s the thing: either you didn’t watch any of Mobley’s games (likely), or you’re unable to comprehend what you’re seeing (also likely).

Essentially, you’re a liar or an idiot.

[God Squad]

Anatlytics dont tell the whole story, but they reinforce what the eye test shows. Nothing about Mobley say's he doesn't have "notable impact" look at what he's done with these loser cavs in such a short time. Also for fun

Player A: 19 yrs old, 13.5 pts, 8.2 reb, 1.0 ast, 1.8 blk, 1.2 stl, 52 FG%
Player B: 19 yrs old, 10.4 pts, 6.3 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.6 blk, 1.1 stl, 49 FG%
Player C: 20 yrs old, 13.8 pts, 8.6 reb, 2.2 ast, 2.0 blk, 1.2 stl, 50 FG%

Who do you like more?

Spoiler:

Player A: Anthony Davis during his rookie season in 2012-13
Player B: Kevin Garnett during his rookie season in 1995-96
Player C: Evan Mobley during his rookie season right now

You're embarrassing yourself. Badly.

Go watch some footage. Using stats from 3 different era's to try and prove a point lol.

I love **** like this. Go watch their rookie footage and compare it to Mobley. If you can't see the difference, I don;'t know what to tell you.

Here’s the thing: either you didn’t watch any of Mobley’s games (likely), or you’re unable to comprehend what you’re seeing (also likely).

Essentially, you’re a liar or an idiot.

Honestly I don't even know how to respond to him any further. So I'm just going to let it go. " Go watch rookie footage" as if Raptor fans haven't been watching Mobley/Suggs, and even Green for that matter.

[God Squad]

I watched every Evan Mobley play and highlight and am actually very, very disappointed.

People are simply looking at box scores and videos of blocked shots that really don't prove any notable impact.

The comparisons to previous elite bigs are so, so incredibly off that all it takes is watching any rookie video of AD, Bosh, KG, even KP to see how inferior he is physically and athletically to those type of prospects.

I'm actually kind of shocked tbh.

Barnes is on a completely other level IMO. He's better at literally everything and has a physical package Mobley can never have as he's so skinny with narrow shoulders, twig legs, smaller hands with a weak grip.

Mobley looks great. Way better than Bosh did in his rookie year.

I agree that Scottie looks better though.

Nothing wrong with thinking Scottie looks better(so do I ). I would also agree, especially since I believe versatile wings are a premium in the league. But to downplay Mobley is where I have to disagree with, to say he has no impact is laughable because the stats and eye test differ.

[God Squad]

Go watch his tape.

Analytics don't tell the story.

He's being hidden away and protected without having any key responsibilities.

Anatlytics dont tell the whole story, but they reinforce what the eye test shows. Nothing about Mobley say's he doesn't have "notable impact" look at what he's done with these loser cavs in such a short time. Also for fun

Player A: 19 yrs old, 13.5 pts, 8.2 reb, 1.0 ast, 1.8 blk, 1.2 stl, 52 FG%
Player B: 19 yrs old, 10.4 pts, 6.3 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.6 blk, 1.1 stl, 49 FG%
Player C: 20 yrs old, 13.8 pts, 8.6 reb, 2.2 ast, 2.0 blk, 1.2 stl, 50 FG%

Who do you like more?

Spoiler:

Player A: Anthony Davis during his rookie season in 2012-13
Player B: Kevin Garnett during his rookie season in 1995-96
Player C: Evan Mobley during his rookie season right now

You're embarrassing yourself. Badly.

Go watch some footage. Using stats from 3 different era's to try and prove a point lol.

I love **** like this. Go watch their rookie footage and compare it to Mobley. If you can't see the difference, I don;'t know what to tell you.

Ignores stats and says go watch tape..The tape and eye test match the stats.

[10giz]

I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid but I've yet to hear an actual retort.

You posted three sets of raw stats with no context whatsoever.

So me saying he's not a generational prospect like being touted is me downplaying him?

Again, show me proof.

[HumbleRen]

They both look great and are by far the 2 best rookies, I'd give the edge to Mobley simply because he can legit appear on an all nba defence team this season.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid but I've yet to hear an actual retort.

You posted three sets of raw stats with no context whatsoever.

So me saying he's not a generational prospect like being touted is me downplaying him?

Again, show me proof.

You’re the contrarian here; you bear the burden of proof in discourse. You can’t provide absolutely no evidence to an absurd opinion, and then request (more) evidence be provided for the opposing view.

You’re a walking, (barely) talking case study for the bull paradox.

[10giz]

Guys I'm really not trying to be an **** totally sorry if I put that out there.

I just watched every bucket, rebound, block, and defensive play and frankly I don't see anything that shows some all-world talent.

I'm literally asking to be shown otherwise, not out of spite, genuinely.

Because comparing Garnett's rookie stats to Mobleys is really...not the thing to do.

[10giz]

I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid but I've yet to hear an actual retort.

You posted three sets of raw stats with no context whatsoever.

So me saying he's not a generational prospect like being touted is me downplaying him?

Again, show me proof.

You’re the contrarian here; you bear the burden of proof in discourse. You can’t provide absolutely no evidence to an absurd opinion, and then request (more) evidence be provided for the opposing view.

You’re a walking, (barely) talking case study for the bull paradox.

Nearly all of his buckets are right under the rim. He's hit 6 shots 4 of which were wide open 2 of which at the elbow over smaller defenders. He's not a good shooter.

He's had 75% of his FGs assisted. (Barnes 30% for comparison)

Any FG outside 3 feet his FG% plummets to sub 30%. He only posts up 1.6 times per game because if you watch the film, he really struggles backing down even small forwards.

He's literally shown nothing offensively other than dunks, alley oops, couple of push shots in the paint and some clean up.

He's shown no post moves of any kind, even though he he's top 10 in elbow touches.

90% of his field goals happen with either 0 or 1 dribble. 60+% of his FGMs involve holding the ball under 2 seconds.

Can we at least agree his offence is extremely limited and at least start with a common ground before we move on?

[ash_k]

Guys I'm really not trying to be an **** totally sorry if I put that out there.

I just watched every bucket, rebound, block, and defensive play and frankly I don't see anything that shows some all-world talent.

I'm literally asking to be shown otherwise, not out of spite, genuinely.

Because comparing Garnett's rookie stats to Mobleys is really...not the thing to do.

I have read all the superlatives about Mobley since the season started.
Every time, I have followed up with looking at his highlights and so far I have not seen that all-world talent either. Having Big Allen back there has been greatly beneficial to him and we will see it tonight.
Folks have made it sound like he is out there creating his shots on his own and all....NOT THE REALITY AT ALL!

[Raps in 4]

I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid but I've yet to hear an actual retort.

You posted three sets of raw stats with no context whatsoever.

So me saying he's not a generational prospect like being touted is me downplaying him?

Again, show me proof.

How do you retort an opinion? There was nothing objective in your statement.

"I think Mobley looks bad, irrespective of what the stats say"

How does one respond to that?

I personally think he looks good. Now we're at a stalemate because we're both arguing opinions.

[aj174]

I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid but I've yet to hear an actual retort.

You posted three sets of raw stats with no context whatsoever.

So me saying he's not a generational prospect like being touted is me downplaying him?

Again, show me proof.

You’re the contrarian here; you bear the burden of proof in discourse. You can’t provide absolutely no evidence to an absurd opinion, and then request (more) evidence be provided for the opposing view.

You’re a walking, (barely) talking case study for the bull paradox.

Nearly all of his buckets are right under the rim. He's hit 6 shots 4 of which were wide open 2 of which at the elbow over smaller defenders. He's not a good shooter.

He's had 75% of his FGs assisted. (Barnes 30% for comparison)

Any FG outside 3 feet his FG% plummets to sub 30%. He only posts up 1.6 times per game because if you watch the film, he really struggles backing down even small forwards.

He's literally shown nothing offensively other than dunks, alley oops, couple of push shots in the paint and some clean up.

He's shown no post moves of any kind, even though he he's top 10 in elbow touches.

90% of his field goals happen with either 0 or 1 dribble. 60+% of his FGMs involve holding the ball under 2 seconds.

Can we at least agree his offence is extremely limited and at least start with a common ground before we move on?

These are valid points, I have to see his highlights to confirm but I'm at work

[10giz]

I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid but I've yet to hear an actual retort.

You posted three sets of raw stats with no context whatsoever.

So me saying he's not a generational prospect like being touted is me downplaying him?

Again, show me proof.

How do you retort an opinion? There was nothing objective in your statement.

"I think Mobley looks bad, irrespective of what the stats say"

How does one respond to that?

I personally think he looks good. Now we're at a stalemate because we're both arguing opinions.

That's a good point, I should've been more specific. I would be happy to.

But it's hard to prove his inferior athletically by far to other prospects if I get chastised for offering to watch film.

I also think he looks good. Very good.

What I was trying to say was compared to the hype he's receiving as a generational prospect akin to KG and AD, that is where I have an issue.

[Jcity08]

We'll get a preview of Mobley vs Barnes tonight. Hopefully Barnes destroys this matchup.

[Madhouse]

Mobley can't really create his own shot yet but with all rookies there is obviously a ton of development waiting to happen. Good passer. Great defender already.

[aj174]

I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid but I've yet to hear an actual retort.

You posted three sets of raw stats with no context whatsoever.

So me saying he's not a generational prospect like being touted is me downplaying him?

Again, show me proof.

You’re the contrarian here; you bear the burden of proof in discourse. You can’t provide absolutely no evidence to an absurd opinion, and then request (more) evidence be provided for the opposing view.

You’re a walking, (barely) talking case study for the bull paradox.

Nearly all of his buckets are right under the rim. He's hit 6 shots 4 of which were wide open 2 of which at the elbow over smaller defenders. He's not a good shooter.

He's had 75% of his FGs assisted. (Barnes 30% for comparison)

Any FG outside 3 feet his FG% plummets to sub 30%. He only posts up 1.6 times per game because if you watch the film, he really struggles backing down even small forwards.

He's literally shown nothing offensively other than dunks, alley oops, couple of push shots in the paint and some clean up.

He's shown no post moves of any kind, even though he he's top 10 in elbow touches.

90% of his field goals happen with either 0 or 1 dribble. 60+% of his FGMs involve holding the ball under 2 seconds.

Can we at least agree his offence is extremely limited and at least start with a common ground before we move on?

Just went back to see his highlights and you're actual right. What I noticed:

Can't back down defenders and passes out

Great awareness to run plays and get himself in position for easy passes and oops

No face up game as of yet

Good clean up work on the boards

No footwork as of yet

Great defensive instincts


I think Mobley has to bulk up or have a quick first step like Bosh did in order to excel in a playoff half court offense. I like Barnes because he's already showing that he can back down defenders, run the ball up, and finish around the rim, stop and pop for a mid range shot. And Barnes has the size.

Let's see what NN decides to do tonight against Mobley, we'll be physical against him for sure

[WuTang_CMB]

Mobley has been fantastic. Especially for a rookie big who take longer to develop, he's been the only guy out of the top 3 to match his college hype. He's 2nd on ROY race

Now Scottie albeit a different player, provides everything a little better and is head and shoulders the rest of his draft class.

[10giz]

Mobley can't really create his own shot yet but with all rookies there is obviously a ton of development waiting to happen. Good passer. Great defender already.

Barnes has actually created the vast majority of his own. 70% of his PGs are unassisted.

In the Boston game alone, Barnes hit 4 pull up jump shots with a defender in front of him all from different spots.

He's show an array of different offensive moves

So far I think my favourite Barnes stat is that he travels the 6th most distance per game. Constantly moving.

Fred is #2.