76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[kuclas]

If he didn't want to be there, don't sign the contract. He did. So he has to do what the contract says now. Or, he could void it. But no, he won't do that because he's selfish and he knows he'll have people like you defending him and saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like the Sixers are "racist."

A truly awful take.

Mental health professional appears to have recommended that he not play for the 76ers right now. That’s enough per the contract he signed. So he is fulfilling his obligations.


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Directly from the CBA:

"A Player who consults or is treated by a physician (including a psychiatrist) or a professional providing non-mental health related medical services (e.g., chiropractor, physical therapist) other than a physician or other professional designated by the Team shall give notice of such consultation or treatment to the Team and shall provide the Team with all information it may request concerning any condition that in the judgment of the Team’s physician may affect the Player’s ability to play skilled basketball."

No one wants to be caught faking a mental illness.

The worst outcome for Simmons is his contract voided. Plus banned from the nba for duration for his 4 years if he’s faking it.

Klutch is playing with fire here.

This is beyond Simmons now. It’s a power play how much players and agents can dictate their terms. There is very little sympathy for Simmons who’s already maxing super max rookie extension money. All his has to do is show up. Play with effort. Show something.

And he’s simply refusing to do that.

[madmaxmedia]

They really should trade Ben at this point. The situation isn't improving, and the longer this goes on the more it will drag his value down. Sixers are waiting for another star to demand a trade, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely that Simmons will make that trade happen.

I keep coming back to:

- where does Ben fit?
- would he report if traded there?
- what 'fair' value would the Sixers get in return?

I haven't seen a lot of compelling answers that meet all 3 criteria. Seems borderline untradeable.

He has negative value now. He tipped his hand when he said he only wanted to play in LA or SF. If you are any other team why would you offer anything for him, knowing you could get stuck with a max contract who is “not mentally ready to play” for your team? Plus you either pay out or end up in arbitration or a lawsuit against a player, which isn’t good for any franchise.

Any team that is interested is going to check with Ben's camp before seriously negotiating. I 100% agree that if you get a cold shoulder from Ben or his agent, the current ongoing mess is going to make you much less likely to want to take that risk (unlike say Toronto trading for Kawhi without knowing what he'd do after his contract ended.)

[Lockdown504090]

Why again are they not winning in the next 3 years? Anything can happen in 3 years. They're one of the top teams right now without Simmons and if you can trade him for something useful, they'll be even better.

If they can trade him for fox and harkless, they should do that, even if it mean giving up a pick. short of that,there isnt a reasonable way they can get enough talent after essentially letting a guy walk that they put so much into and gave up so much for. They gave up butler, fultz for nothing because they didnt fit. now to give up ben too? they dont have enough assets to aquire good pieces. Theyre holding ben because he and their future picks are their only vehicle to building a championship team. The bucks nets bulls, all have better rosters when you take away their best player and embiid isnt better than kd or giannis. even if harden or irving or holiday go down, the 6ers still arent beating those teams because they are too good. They gotta get a good trade for ben, or reconcile if they want to win the title.

Sorry but the Bulls are not better than the Sixers. Kyrie might not play this season and the Nets need him to be true contenders. Nets are beatable without him.

Anything can happen.

Ball maxey
Zach seth
Demar danny green
pat williams tobias
vuc joel

Caruso thybule
javonte korkmaz
tony bradley Drummond
coby white shake milton
derrick jones Niange

you take off joel and you take off whoever you think is the best on the CHI, idk man, it looks pretty good for the bulls.

[Jables]

As someone that has been diagnosed with major depression and was forced to interact with similar people for some reason, he already has a major reason with his family and has shown symptoms through social isolation, apathy and loss of interest, and that's only what we see through his actions because he hasn't said anything.

Everyone is approaching this as if it's a ploy that has failed, Morey or the Sixers aren't winning this scenario.

[Duke4life831]

Clown world. Let him go, you can’t force a man to be somewhere he doesn’t want to be. I’m seeing this is racist now srs

If he didn't want to be there, don't sign the contract. He did. So he has to do what the contract says now. Or, he could void it. But no, he won't do that because he's selfish and he knows he'll have people like you defending him and saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like the Sixers are "racist."

A truly awful take.

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

[gp2015]

If they can trade him for fox and harkless, they should do that, even if it mean giving up a pick. short of that,there isnt a reasonable way they can get enough talent after essentially letting a guy walk that they put so much into and gave up so much for. They gave up butler, fultz for nothing because they didnt fit. now to give up ben too? they dont have enough assets to aquire good pieces. Theyre holding ben because he and their future picks are their only vehicle to building a championship team. The bucks nets bulls, all have better rosters when you take away their best player and embiid isnt better than kd or giannis. even if harden or irving or holiday go down, the 6ers still arent beating those teams because they are too good. They gotta get a good trade for ben, or reconcile if they want to win the title.

Sorry but the Bulls are not better than the Sixers. Kyrie might not play this season and the Nets need him to be true contenders. Nets are beatable without him.

Anything can happen.

Ball maxey
Zach seth
Demar danny green
pat williams tobias
vuc joel

Caruso thybule
javonte korkmaz
tony bradley Drummond
coby white shake milton
derrick jones Niange

you take off joel and you take off whoever you think is the best on the CHI, idk man, it looks pretty good for the bulls.

My bad, didn't see the qulaifier that you take away the best player on each team.

Regardless though, the Bulls have gotten off to a good start but still have a lot to prove IMO and the playoffs are a whole different animal. I need to see how they perform in the playoffs.

[blueNorange]

what team would even want him knowing that at any point, he'll flip on the team.

ben simmons probably has no friends in the nba.

[gp2015]

If he didn't want to be there, don't sign the contract. He did. So he has to do what the contract says now. Or, he could void it. But no, he won't do that because he's selfish and he knows he'll have people like you defending him and saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like the Sixers are "racist."

A truly awful take.

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

Simmons is free to leave if he wants. He can void his contract or come to a buyout agreement.

However, he wants the Sixers to pay his full contract while he refuses to play.

[bbalnation]

If he didn't want to be there, don't sign the contract. He did. So he has to do what the contract says now. Or, he could void it. But no, he won't do that because he's selfish and he knows he'll have people like you defending him and saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like the Sixers are "racist."

A truly awful take.

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

Watch Kaps Netflix show if you haven't already? I see where you're coming from and generally agree, there does need to be a structure that promotes competition. But that structure needs to consider the very real history that exists within slavery & sport. Right now, it doesnt, but it does more so than it did 10, 20, 50 years ago, etc.

To say "there is nothing racist about this situation" is very black and white/all or nothing thinking. We live in racist and sexist systems, that were part of. So its natural that there will be pieces of it in different places. To denounce it authoritatively and with confidence, when the history is there and the structure isn't currently adequately set up...?

[madmaxmedia]

If he didn't want to be there, don't sign the contract. He did. So he has to do what the contract says now. Or, he could void it. But no, he won't do that because he's selfish and he knows he'll have people like you defending him and saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like the Sixers are "racist."

A truly awful take.

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

NBA contracts are just 'slightly' different than regular people employment contracts...

Calling it racist is pretty ridiculous, it's not like the white players get to leave anytime they want. NBA contracts are arranged according to the labor agreement between the player's association/union and the league.

Whether Simmons has a legitimate grievance with the Sixers org is a different issue. If he does, then he needs to take that up with the players' association, which to my knowledge has not happened.

[Bum Adebayo]

Clown world. Let him go, you can’t force a man to be somewhere he doesn’t want to be. I’m seeing this is racist now srs

So what is the point of multi-year contracts then? you sign a 5-year contract and you can decide whenever you want that you don't want to work there anymore? why would this be fair for the team, who is always taking a certain risk, be it a player declining or getting injured in the next years, if the player can void the contract at any moment he decides to?

[Duke4life831]

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

Simmons is free to leave if he wants. Just void his contract or come to a buyout agreement.

However, he wants the Sixers to pay his full contract while he refuses to play.

Yup. He wants his cake and to eat it too. He wants the huge contract he signed to play with Philly, while no longer having to play for Philly. He is kind of missing the part where he needs to uphold his end of the contract to get the money.

Crazy to me someone is trying to say this is racist haha.

[XtremeDunkz]

I signed a contract with my job and can leave at any time to work for a different company. They not telling me to work for them and not get paid lmao

Simmons can go work at a car rental place if he'd like, he can go sell TVs at Best Buy if he'd like. There wouldnt be a league anymore if players could just get up and decide to play for whatever team they want on any given day. There does need to be some kind of structure to make the league work.

And guess what in return for that, players get paid ridiculous amounts of money to play a game. That is a hell of a trade off. If Simmons didnt think the money was worth playing in Philly, no one forced him to sign a contract in Philly where he can get paid 35 million a year. He could've said no I will just take the QO and become a free agent the next summer.

There is nothing racist about this. There isn't something in NBA contracts that allows white players to just get up and move to whatever team they want, whenever they want. But black players cant.

Its pretty simple, Ben Simmons signed a 5 year contract for 177 million dollars to play for Philly. There is nothing racist about this situation.

Watch Kaps Netflix show if you haven't already? I see where you're coming from and generally agree, there does need to be a structure that promotes competition. But that structure needs to consider the very real history that exists within slavery & sport. Right now, it doesnt, but it does more so than it did 10, 20, 50 years ago, etc.

To say "there is nothing racist about this situation" is very black and white/all or nothing thinking. We live in racist and sexist systems, that were part of. So its natural that there will be pieces of it in different places. To denounce it authoritatively and with confidence, when the history is there and the structure isn't currently adequately set up...?

You're trying too hard. Just stop. There's absolutely zero racist undertones in this situation

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[sikma42]

If he didn't want to be there, don't sign the contract. He did. So he has to do what the contract says now. Or, he could void it. But no, he won't do that because he's selfish and he knows he'll have people like you defending him and saying absolutely ridiculous stuff like the Sixers are "racist."

A truly awful take.

Mental health professional appears to have recommended that he not play for the 76ers right now. That’s enough per the contract he signed. So he is fulfilling his obligations.


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Several people in this thread have stated or implied at this point that Simmons has no obligation to share anything about his condition or treatment, but that's not the way it works when you're getting paid $30 million dollars to play in the NBA.

Directly from the CBA:

"A Player who consults or is treated by a physician (including a psychiatrist) or a professional providing non-mental health related medical services (e.g., chiropractor, physical therapist) other than a physician or other professional designated by the Team shall give notice of such consultation or treatment to the Team and shall provide the Team with all information it may request concerning any condition that in the judgment of the Team’s physician may affect the Player’s ability to play skilled basketball."

I’m reading it now and I believe it’s worth going to arbitration over it (there are some rights that can’t be collectively bargained away). The 76ers have consistently leaked information regarding this issue and can be seen as the cause of these mental health issues. I think there is enough to bring it there but I think the entire thing is silly.

What’s the next step? Ben comes back and misses shots on purpose.. I don’t get what they want. Just seems like they are acting like babies.


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[Duke4life831]

Clown world. Let him go, you can’t force a man to be somewhere he doesn’t want to be. I’m seeing this is racist now srs

So what is the point of multi-year contracts then? you sign a 5-year contract and you can decide whenever you want that you don't want to work there anymore? why would this be fair for the team, who is always taking a certain risk, be it a player declining or getting injured in the next years, if the player can void the contract at any moment he decides to?

Ya there literally wouldn't be a league if this is how it was. If any player at any given time can just decide to no longer play for a team and go play for a different team. There could be no league.

A basic structure for a league isn't racist haha.

[kuclas]

I keep coming back to:

- where does Ben fit?
- would he report if traded there?
- what 'fair' value would the Sixers get in return?

I haven't seen a lot of compelling answers that meet all 3 criteria. Seems borderline untradeable.

He has negative value now. He tipped his hand when he said he only wanted to play in LA or SF. If you are any other team why would you offer anything for him, knowing you could get stuck with a max contract who is “not mentally ready to play” for your team? Plus you either pay out or end up in arbitration or a lawsuit against a player, which isn’t good for any franchise.

Any team that is interested is going to check with Ben's camp before seriously negotiating. I 100% agree that if you get a cold shoulder from Ben or his agent, the current ongoing mess is going to make you much less likely to want to take that risk (unlike say Toronto trading for Kawhi without knowing what he'd do after his contract ended.)

Simmons has 3.9 years left on his contract. He has zero leverage where he can go.

That’s what people have to understand

This isn’t a 2 year situation like kyrie (cavaliers) or harden

This isn’t. A one year situation like AD/Leonard.

This is why Simmons and klutch are close to being out of options having tried the mental illness angle.

[MrBigShot]

I know people throw the term racist around a lot these days, but racist for not letting a player on a 4 year contract get paid $30 million a year to sit at home...that pretty much takes the cake.

[gp2015]

Clown world. Let him go, you can’t force a man to be somewhere he doesn’t want to be. I’m seeing this is racist now srs

So what is the point of multi-year contracts then? you sign a 5-year contract and you can decide whenever you want that you don't want to work there anymore? why would this be fair for the team, who is always taking a certain risk, be it a player declining or getting injured in the next years, if the player can void the contract at any moment he decides to?

The NBA could do what the NFL does and have non-guaranteed contracts. It would be a way to balance risk and compensation.

But then the players would be up in arms and never agree to it.

[Lockdown504090]

Sorry but the Bulls are not better than the Sixers. Kyrie might not play this season and the Nets need him to be true contenders. Nets are beatable without him.

Anything can happen.

Ball maxey
Zach seth
Demar danny green
pat williams tobias
vuc joel

Caruso thybule
javonte korkmaz
tony bradley Drummond
coby white shake milton
derrick jones Niange

you take off joel and you take off whoever you think is the best on the CHI, idk man, it looks pretty good for the bulls.

My bad, didn't see the qulaifier that you take away the best player on each team.

Regardless though, the Bulls have gotten off to a good start but still have a lot to prove IMO and the playoffs are a whole different animal. I need to see how they perform in the playoffs.

ben or not joels giving them 33, 15 and great defense and winning the series regardless if ben plays. thats my guy

[madmaxmedia]

Is a bird in the hand better than two in the bush? For better or for worse the Sixers don't think so, and that has dictated their approach to Simmons since the beginning.

Unless that fundamental decision changes, there will be no trades for presumably 'lesser' talent.