Challenge: Create a Westbrook trade

[nzahir]

The KP one is the only one I’d give serious thought to for the other team so far.

Not a chance. Westbrook is like the opposit of what mavs need

The main pro here is clearing cap space a year earlier

KP is always hurt and not reliable as a #2

Lakers take the risk b/c Lebron and AD with solid role guys alone can go to the finals

Mavs cant

[nzahir]

Change of locker room trade.

Westbrook + 2x Filler

FOR

Bledsoe + MMS + Kennard

I would say yes, but I think clips say no as it hits their depth hard

Probably send them 1 of Monk or Ellington to replace Kennard?

Russ, Batum, PG, Winslow??, Zubac
Reggie, Mann, ???, Isiah

They could sign Ennis, Wes, and RHJ though

Clips fans, you guys say no to this right

I think we would be legit contenders again

Bledsoe, Bazemore, Bron, Morris, AD
Nunn, Kennard, THT, Melo, Dwight

Ariza gets mins when hes back

Clippers would 100% turn this down. I'd rather give Bledsoe the amount of usage that Westbrook would expect without gutting our depth while giving up a player the front office really likes.

Russ is an abysmal, absolutely abysmal fit with the Clippers, namely when Kawhi returns, either near the end of the year or next season. They need a point guard that is a consistent threat from three and has high basketball IQ without being a blackhole.

Reports made it clear Clippers had no interest in acquiring Russ this summer, while also not wanting him when Russ called Kawhi about coming here in the midst of FA. He's gotten older, and, worse.

Wall or finding a team that needs a tank commander may be the lone option here.

Fair enough, doesn't seem realistic for me

I don't see the Wall trade making sense

He is just a worse version of Russ with a lower ceiling

But he probably gets in the way less as well

I would want House and a 2nd for Russ and Monk

Doesn't change much, but I bet you can tell Wall to come off the bench

Nunn, Bazemore, Ariza, Bron, AD
Wall, Ellington/Reeves, THT, Melo, Dwight
Danuel House

[eminence]

There is max and supermax, big difference. But westbrook doesnt fill any need on mavs while KP does. If mavs trade KP it would be for a starting center is my guess

Ehh, it's a medium difference here, neither gets you under the cap and neither takes you over the luxury tax. If they had the same contract it wouldn't be worth considering for the Lakers.

What team has a need for a dude in street clothes?

Prefer 55 games of KP over 82 with wb. Cause without kp the team is neutral, with kp its better, with wb its worse. Would rather sign a random g-league dude with decent bbiq over having wb on the team. You cant win and will onlt be frustrated with wb on the team. And clearly he is stupider then what i thought if he cant see he did somethibg wrong when he was like a dog chasing a car yesterday

He's played at closer to a 45 game per normal season rate since being traded to the Mavs. Mavs with KP over the last 2+ seasons: 60-43, 30-22 without. I'd say the assertion that the Mavs with KP are any better at all is tenuous.

[Apz]

Ehh, it's a medium difference here, neither gets you under the cap and neither takes you over the luxury tax. If they had the same contract it wouldn't be worth considering for the Lakers.

What team has a need for a dude in street clothes?

Prefer 55 games of KP over 82 with wb. Cause without kp the team is neutral, with kp its better, with wb its worse. Would rather sign a random g-league dude with decent bbiq over having wb on the team. You cant win and will onlt be frustrated with wb on the team. And clearly he is stupider then what i thought if he cant see he did somethibg wrong when he was like a dog chasing a car yesterday

He's played at closer to a 45 game per normal season rate since being traded to the Mavs. Mavs with KP over the last 2+ seasons: 60-43, 30-22 without. I'd say the assertion that the Mavs with KP are any better at all is tenuous.

And mavs with westbrook makes them worse. Do you think lockerroom chemistry will be ok when westbrook is the 3rd pg on the team? When he have to play just offball? He sucks and is a really bad fit. ****, not even lebron and ad can make him a decent player. Maybe houston or okc take him as tank commander if compensated enough, but no team that aim at going somewhere would want the player for what he is atm. Definetly not mavs. Maybe a team that needs a pg, like celtics, are willing to take a chance. Mavs need frontcourt, aka good frontcourt players and they cant get that atm anuway so better just run it and see

[Texas Chuck]

He's played at closer to a 45 game per normal season rate since being traded to the Mavs. Mavs with KP over the last 2+ seasons: 60-43, 30-22 without. I'd say the assertion that the Mavs with KP are any better at all is tenuous.

Agreed.

I have zero interest in trading him for Westbrook and considering public comments made over the years by Cuban I assume its a total non-starter anyway.

But KP as a benefit to the Mavs hasn't really been a reality except for about a 30 game stretch that spanned the stoppage in his first year in Dallas. He played great right before and was great in the bubble before getting hurt(another problem). Other than than span, his play has ranged from horrific to good but with wild inconsistencies and combine inconsistent play with inconsistent availability and its hard to suggest he's a positive.

Problem is his trade value has to be so bad that I'm not sure how Dallas could trade him and get better. And certainly Westbrook isn't the answer.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I would heavily consider doing D'Angelo Russell and Taurean Prince for Russell Westbrook, if Minnesota followed it up with another deal to avoid the Luxury Tax (Jake Layman and a second into cap, basically). Gives the Los Angeles Lakers a player to replace Westbrook's output and a $13MM expiring to aggregate with other contracts at the deadline. Totally understand why the Lakers wouldn't, but I think that is the kind of deal they would be looking at.

I'll probably pull the trigger just for the shooting .

[eminence]

He's played at closer to a 45 game per normal season rate since being traded to the Mavs. Mavs with KP over the last 2+ seasons: 60-43, 30-22 without. I'd say the assertion that the Mavs with KP are any better at all is tenuous.

Agreed.

I have zero interest in trading him for Westbrook and considering public comments made over the years by Cuban I assume its a total non-starter anyway.

But KP as a benefit to the Mavs hasn't really been a reality except for about a 30 game stretch that spanned the stoppage in his first year in Dallas. He played great right before and was great in the bubble before getting hurt(another problem). Other than than span, his play has ranged from horrific to good but with wild inconsistencies and combine inconsistent play with inconsistent availability and its hard to suggest he's a positive.

Problem is his trade value has to be so bad that I'm not sure how Dallas could trade him and get better. And certainly Westbrook isn't the answer.

I certainly agree that trading him for WB doesn't make the team any better under contract (at least not meaningfully). The potential appeal to me is if you could do something like KP/Powell for him and get out of a ton of money in year 3 and reset then around Luka. Depending on what type of contract y'all give DFS (hopefully give DFS I guess) you could have something approaching max space that offseason vs waiting the extra year on KP.

[Apz]

He's played at closer to a 45 game per normal season rate since being traded to the Mavs. Mavs with KP over the last 2+ seasons: 60-43, 30-22 without. I'd say the assertion that the Mavs with KP are any better at all is tenuous.

Agreed.

I have zero interest in trading him for Westbrook and considering public comments made over the years by Cuban I assume its a total non-starter anyway.

But KP as a benefit to the Mavs hasn't really been a reality except for about a 30 game stretch that spanned the stoppage in his first year in Dallas. He played great right before and was great in the bubble before getting hurt(another problem). Other than than span, his play has ranged from horrific to good but with wild inconsistencies and combine inconsistent play with inconsistent availability and its hard to suggest he's a positive.

Problem is his trade value has to be so bad that I'm not sure how Dallas could trade him and get better. And certainly Westbrook isn't the answer.

I certainly agree that trading him for WB doesn't make the team any better under contract (at least not meaningfully). The potential appeal to me is if you could do something like KP/Powell for him and get out of a ton of money in year 3 and reset then around Luka. Depending on what type of contract y'all give DFS (hopefully give DFS I guess) you could have something approaching max space that offseason vs waiting the extra year on KP.

max space means nothing for mavs really. What would they get, maybe a 3rd tier wannabe star but to get max cap they give away every good roleplayer they got? Nothing will happen until a real star says he want mavs, then they probably cleans things up a bit

[jbk1234]

Westbrook for CP3
Westbrook for Smart and Horford

Those get considered but I doubt any trade happens

Is Cp3 hurt? Because that's the only way the Suns consider it.

[Yenrallik1111]

westbrook for cp3 seems interesting. suns can disolve their finals team to get under tax and sale tickets. cp3 banana boat.

i made a trade idea around this. did not really gain traction

[nzahir]

westbrook for cp3 seems interesting. suns can disolve their finals team to get under tax and sale tickets. cp3 banana boat.

i made a trade idea around this. did not really gain traction

I just don't get why the suns would do this

The suns just signed him lol

Unless they think the contract will become an albatross and they want him for really a year and then figure it out from there

Maybe if both teams flail out early I can see it in the summer?

[Apz]

westbrook for cp3 seems interesting. suns can disolve their finals team to get under tax and sale tickets. cp3 banana boat.

i made a trade idea around this. did not really gain traction

Think it was sarcasm

[Mr Loggins]

Seems basically impossible

Cle: Love and Rubio for Russ and multiple 2nds from us and wiz? Save some salary this season.

Boston: I was already told no by a user here but something like Smart and Horford or Smart, Juancho, Richardson, and a a young guy
for Russ, Monk/Wayne, and 2nds

Mavs: Russ and 2nds for KP and salary? Mavs save a year of salary and get to go to FA earlier. Or a 3 teamer with Wall to Dallas. I would include THT for value, but not sure how

PHI: Most unrealistic one here, but try to move Russ, THT, 2027 1st, 3 wiz 2nds, our own 2nds for Simmons. I don't see it though

Pels: Get creative with the picks we owe them. Get rid of 2022 protections 11-30 so they get another 1st and try anything else they want in terms of other protections or swaps if we can. Send a few 2nds as well.

Russ and Monk for Sato, Graham, Hart, and Temple

Pels get some extra assets for the future and try to honestly tank for a year or two to just get more assets around Zion and BI

what a world we live in now where Rubio is worth more than Love.

but cavs pass on that trade. They have a good thing going, no need to bring a high usage guy in to dominate the ball

[SharpyShuffle]

Agreed.

I have zero interest in trading him for Westbrook and considering public comments made over the years by Cuban I assume its a total non-starter anyway.

But KP as a benefit to the Mavs hasn't really been a reality except for about a 30 game stretch that spanned the stoppage in his first year in Dallas. He played great right before and was great in the bubble before getting hurt(another problem). Other than than span, his play has ranged from horrific to good but with wild inconsistencies and combine inconsistent play with inconsistent availability and its hard to suggest he's a positive.

Problem is his trade value has to be so bad that I'm not sure how Dallas could trade him and get better. And certainly Westbrook isn't the answer.

I certainly agree that trading him for WB doesn't make the team any better under contract (at least not meaningfully). The potential appeal to me is if you could do something like KP/Powell for him and get out of a ton of money in year 3 and reset then around Luka. Depending on what type of contract y'all give DFS (hopefully give DFS I guess) you could have something approaching max space that offseason vs waiting the extra year on KP.

max space means nothing for mavs really. What would they get, maybe a 3rd tier wannabe star but to get max cap they give away every good roleplayer they got? Nothing will happen until a real star says he want mavs, then they probably cleans things up a bit

If max space two years from now means nothing to them they may as well pack up and go home. You have Luka, you have that nike exec who they apparently hired because he's very well connected, and you have two years to plan. If you can't make something happen then honestly just give up and run down the clock until Luka moves to LA.

[nate33]

A Westbrook trade is impossible.

Nobody values Westbrook at all. He is utterly useless as a ceiling raiser so no good team wants him. And he is still good enough as a floor raiser that no bad team wants him to hurt their draft position. Frankly, it was a miracle that the Wizards managed to dump him. No actual GM would have made the trade, but, thankfully, Lebron is in charge of personnel decisions in LA.

[Texas Chuck]

If max space two years from now means nothing to them they may as well pack up and go home. You have Luka, you have that nike exec who they apparently hired because he's very well connected, and you have two years to plan. If you can't make something happen then honestly just give up and run down the clock until Luka moves to LA.

Agreed.

Now again I'm not interested in making deals today with the only gain being cap space two years from now. Especially since we've seen cap space isn't the most important thing towards landing star free agents.

But Dallas definitely needs to have a goal of adding a second star to Luka and that was definitely the thinking behind the new GM.

Dallas fans don't realize that most teams never sign star free agents not just Dallas. But more importantly they need to understand that during the Dirk era the team operated well over the cap and while they did manage to S&T for some solid if not spectacular free agents--notably Dampier and Marion, free agency wasn't really the path with Dirk until he was in his mid 30's at which point its hard to get a star to want to come.

But Luka in his early to mid 20's? As an all-NBA player, possible MVP candidate? That gives Dallas hope in way they've never realistically had of a star wanting to get to town. And ruling it out because the team has never signed a star free agent is understandable from an emotional standpoint, but not a basketball one.

Now they might still not get one. Getting stars is hard unless you are the Lakers. But you definitely are in the mix. Something Mavs fans should remember is while Dallas wasn't signing stars they were regularly one of only 3 or 4 teams to get meetings with them. Cuban has a very good reputation with players. Add Niko and you hope that's even better.

[Apz]

I certainly agree that trading him for WB doesn't make the team any better under contract (at least not meaningfully). The potential appeal to me is if you could do something like KP/Powell for him and get out of a ton of money in year 3 and reset then around Luka. Depending on what type of contract y'all give DFS (hopefully give DFS I guess) you could have something approaching max space that offseason vs waiting the extra year on KP.

max space means nothing for mavs really. What would they get, maybe a 3rd tier wannabe star but to get max cap they give away every good roleplayer they got? Nothing will happen until a real star says he want mavs, then they probably cleans things up a bit

If max space two years from now means nothing to them they may as well pack up and go home. You have Luka, you have that nike exec who they apparently hired because he's very well connected, and you have two years to plan. If you can't make something happen then honestly just give up and run down the clock until Luka moves to LA.

And tankibg and having internal war because of westbrook for 2 years sounds like happiness? Not saying that they shouldnt trade KP, but cant trade him for unfitting crap. If they trade him they need a start player in the frontcourt to replace him

[Apz]

If max space two years from now means nothing to them they may as well pack up and go home. You have Luka, you have that nike exec who they apparently hired because he's very well connected, and you have two years to plan. If you can't make something happen then honestly just give up and run down the clock until Luka moves to LA.

Agreed.

Now again I'm not interested in making deals today with the only gain being cap space two years from now. Especially since we've seen cap space isn't the most important thing towards landing star free agents.

But Dallas definitely needs to have a goal of adding a second star to Luka and that was definitely the thinking behind the new GM.

Dallas fans don't realize that most teams never sign star free agents not just Dallas. But more importantly they need to understand that during the Dirk era the team operated well over the cap and while they did manage to S&T for some solid if not spectacular free agents--notably Dampier and Marion, free agency wasn't really the path with Dirk until he was in his mid 30's at which point its hard to get a star to want to come.

But Luka in his early to mid 20's? As an all-NBA player, possible MVP candidate? That gives Dallas hope in way they've never realistically had of a star wanting to get to town. And ruling it out because the team has never signed a star free agent is understandable from an emotional standpoint, but not a basketball one.

Now they might still not get one. Getting stars is hard unless you are the Lakers. But you definitely are in the mix. Something Mavs fans should remember is while Dallas wasn't signing stars they were regularly one of only 3 or 4 teams to get meetings with them. Cuban has a very good reputation with players. Add Niko and you hope that's even better.

Ofc they need a plan, but they cant take a guy like westbrook on

[jayjaysee]

Seems pretty impossible.

Wouldn’t do KP for Westbrook. Would want more incentive than LAL would add.

[shangrila]

I would heavily consider doing D'Angelo Russell and Taurean Prince for Russell Westbrook, if Minnesota followed it up with another deal to avoid the Luxury Tax (Jake Layman and a second into cap, basically). Gives the Los Angeles Lakers a player to replace Westbrook's output and a $13MM expiring to aggregate with other contracts at the deadline. Totally understand why the Lakers wouldn't, but I think that is the kind of deal they would be looking at.

I'd rather Towns leaves.