Shams: Blazers investigating Olshey for misconduct

[Statlanta]

Portland Torch and Blaze your Office Basketball Team.

[Sedale Threatt]

So what are the specifics?

bullying/verbal tirades seem to be the main issues: https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/11/canzano-trail-blazers-gm-neil-olsheys-tired-bully-act-should-have-been-over-long-ago.html

He should be fired because he is an awful GM, but I hope there is more to it than what this article is referencing. Basically Neil cusses out a lot of people. And???

I hate to break a little inside secret here, but ya most people that are high ups in multi billion dollar companies, usually arent all rainbows and sunshine to work with. You make a mistake, youre going to get chewed out.

My guess is Ashley is a crap GM and Portland's ownership has come to realize that Olshey is a crap GM. But I also am willing to bet that Olshey is making a few million a year and the Portland ownership group would like to get rid of Olshey without having to continue paying his salary. And I'm sure firing him for work misconduct is a way to do that.

As with the Sarver crap, it honestly boggles my mind how many people are willing to condone this behavior. There's a difference between "hey, you f'd up, fix it" and the type of bullying behavior here. I've had a boss like this before, and it f'ing sucked. We all hated coming in, and not only did it impact our attitudes it diminished our quality of work as well. When he finally got re-assigned, it was like we all got promoted. People like this suck the souls out of everyone around them and life is too short for that.

[Funcrusher]

lmao The NBA is in spring cleaning season, love it

[Lockdown504090]

this is silly, hes not an owner, just fire him if the owner dont like him

[azcatz11]

If you look deep enough, everyone has something they can be fired over. Literally everyone. This is heading down a dangerous path

[Case2012]

If anyone thinks these claims are dubious, go watch any of his press conferences. The guy is a raging narcissist, I'm surprised it took this long but at least this way they won't have to pay him when he gets sacked.

[Duke4life831]

bullying/verbal tirades seem to be the main issues: https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/11/canzano-trail-blazers-gm-neil-olsheys-tired-bully-act-should-have-been-over-long-ago.html

He should be fired because he is an awful GM, but I hope there is more to it than what this article is referencing. Basically Neil cusses out a lot of people. And???

I hate to break a little inside secret here, but ya most people that are high ups in multi billion dollar companies, usually arent all rainbows and sunshine to work with. You make a mistake, youre going to get chewed out.

My guess is Ashley is a crap GM and Portland's ownership has come to realize that Olshey is a crap GM. But I also am willing to bet that Olshey is making a few million a year and the Portland ownership group would like to get rid of Olshey without having to continue paying his salary. And I'm sure firing him for work misconduct is a way to do that.

As with the Sarver crap, it honestly boggles my mind how many people are willing to condone this behavior. There's a difference between "hey, you f'd up, fix it" and the type of bullying behavior here. I've had a boss like this before, and it f'ing sucked. We all hated coming in, and not only did it impact our attitudes it diminished our quality of work as well. When he finally got re-assigned, it was like we all got promoted. People like this suck the souls out of everyone around them and life is too short for that.

The thing is, when youre working for a multibillion dollar company and youre a high up in that multibillion dollar business. Most times when someone messes up, a quick "hey, you f'd up, fix it" doesnt work. Its not a McDonalds where your screw up might cost the McDonalds 99 cents. A screw up when youre a high up in a multibillion dollar business can mean a million dollar screw up. This is why so many people who have these jobs are **** and people are terrified of them.

Dont get me wrong Im not saying these people are a joy to work for. But ya when youre working directly with someone who is running a multibillion dollar business, get ready for a very stressful and intense work environment.

[Duke4life831]

If anyone thinks these claims are dubious, go watch any of his press conferences. The guy is a raging narcissist, I'm surprised it took this long but at least this way they won't have to pay him when he gets sacked.

I dont think anyone is even denying these claims are legit. But being a raging narcissist isn't grounds for being fired for workplace misconduct.

I guess Im the only one that thinks this is pretty obvious what this is. Olshey sucks at his job, Portland's ownership group has come to the conclusion that Olshey sucks at his job. My guess is Olshey's salary is in the millions per year range. Portland's ownership group most likely is looking for a way to fire him where they wont still have to pay him after they fire him. Terminating his contract because of "workplace misconduct" is probably one way to do that.

[Sedale Threatt]

He should be fired because he is an awful GM, but I hope there is more to it than what this article is referencing. Basically Neil cusses out a lot of people. And???

I hate to break a little inside secret here, but ya most people that are high ups in multi billion dollar companies, usually arent all rainbows and sunshine to work with. You make a mistake, youre going to get chewed out.

My guess is Ashley is a crap GM and Portland's ownership has come to realize that Olshey is a crap GM. But I also am willing to bet that Olshey is making a few million a year and the Portland ownership group would like to get rid of Olshey without having to continue paying his salary. And I'm sure firing him for work misconduct is a way to do that.

As with the Sarver crap, it honestly boggles my mind how many people are willing to condone this behavior. There's a difference between "hey, you f'd up, fix it" and the type of bullying behavior here. I've had a boss like this before, and it f'ing sucked. We all hated coming in, and not only did it impact our attitudes it diminished our quality of work as well. When he finally got re-assigned, it was like we all got promoted. People like this suck the souls out of everyone around them and life is too short for that.

The thing is, when youre working for a multibillion dollar company and youre a high up in that multibillion dollar business. Most times when someone messes up, a quick "hey, you f'd up, fix it" doesnt work. Its not a McDonalds where your screw up might cost the McDonalds 99 cents. A screw up when youre a high up in a multibillion dollar business can mean a million dollar screw up. This is why so many people who have these jobs are **** and people are terrified of them.

Dont get me wrong Im not saying these people are a joy to work for. But ya when youre working directly with someone who is running a multibillion dollar business, get ready for a very stressful and intense work environment.

So depending on how much money your company makes, it gives you carte blanche to be a raging, abusive @sshole? Like I said in the Sarver thread, it's like some of you actually want to be treated like garbage. There's zero excuse to bully or abuse anybody, regardless of the circumstances. People who operate like that do it because they can, and nobody calls them on it. Sadly, if you get good enough results you can do pretty much whatever you want, which is bad enough. But how about instead of just shrugging our shoulders, we put the onus on these people to change? And if they can't, they don't need to be in leadership positions. You're not going to find many more high pressure jobs than coaching, and there's been a real sea change in attitude there in terms of how they do their jobs. If they can change, so can CEOs and NBA GMs.

[Sedale Threatt]

If anyone thinks these claims are dubious, go watch any of his press conferences. The guy is a raging narcissist, I'm surprised it took this long but at least this way they won't have to pay him when he gets sacked.

I dont think anyone is even denying these claims are legit. But being a raging narcissist isn't grounds for being fired for workplace misconduct.

I guess Im the only one that thinks this is pretty obvious what this is. Olshey sucks at his job, Portland's ownership group has come to the conclusion that Olshey sucks at his job. My guess is Olshey's salary is in the millions per year range. Portland's ownership group most likely is looking for a way to fire him where they wont still have to pay him after they fire him. Terminating his contract because of "workplace misconduct" is probably one way to do that.

Paul Allen's estate was worth an estimated $20 billion when he died. Whatever Olshey is making, I'm sure the Blazers can afford to eat it.

[LuDux1]

They only seem to go after the incompetent ones

Well if he was competent.. misconductor we would not hear about it

[Slacktard]

Actions meet Consequences.

[Duke4life831]

As with the Sarver crap, it honestly boggles my mind how many people are willing to condone this behavior. There's a difference between "hey, you f'd up, fix it" and the type of bullying behavior here. I've had a boss like this before, and it f'ing sucked. We all hated coming in, and not only did it impact our attitudes it diminished our quality of work as well. When he finally got re-assigned, it was like we all got promoted. People like this suck the souls out of everyone around them and life is too short for that.

The thing is, when youre working for a multibillion dollar company and youre a high up in that multibillion dollar business. Most times when someone messes up, a quick "hey, you f'd up, fix it" doesnt work. Its not a McDonalds where your screw up might cost the McDonalds 99 cents. A screw up when youre a high up in a multibillion dollar business can mean a million dollar screw up. This is why so many people who have these jobs are **** and people are terrified of them.

Dont get me wrong Im not saying these people are a joy to work for. But ya when youre working directly with someone who is running a multibillion dollar business, get ready for a very stressful and intense work environment.

So depending on how much money your company makes, it gives you carte blanche to be a raging, abusive @sshole? Like I said in the Sarver thread, it's like some of you actually want to be treated like garbage. There's zero excuse to bully or abuse anybody, regardless of the circumstances. People who operate like that do it because they can, and nobody calls them on it. Sadly, if you get good enough results you can do pretty much whatever you want, which is bad enough. But how about instead of just shrugging our shoulders, we put the onus on these people to change? And if they can't, they don't need to be in leadership positions. You're not going to find many more high pressure jobs than coaching, and there's been a real sea change in attitude there in terms of how they do their jobs. If they can change, so can CEOs and NBA GMs.

No but Im talking about reality though. There are drastically different consequences for screw ups for different level of jobs. Again a screw up at a retail job or fast food, has drastically different consequences than a screw up high up in a multibillion dollar business. There are reasons why the vast majority of people who have these positions are raging ****. Its not because they have some secret pact together, its because those high stress level positions lead to those kinds of people succeeding in them. The no nonsense if you make a mistake youre going to get the full force of it coming at you.

Again working for people like that, not everyone is cut out for it, Im not saying its a jolly old place to work. But those high stressful jobs tend to pay better and they tend to pay better because youre working in a high stressful position and a small mistake can lead to massive consequences. Not everyone is cut out for that kind of work environment. It is what it is.

Olshey is running a multibillion dollar business. If youre working directly with him or under him, that most likely means your job is pretty damn important. Which also means your mistakes can lead to drastic consequences. So ya Im not shocked that he isn't fun to work with and is an ****.

[Duke4life831]

If anyone thinks these claims are dubious, go watch any of his press conferences. The guy is a raging narcissist, I'm surprised it took this long but at least this way they won't have to pay him when he gets sacked.

I dont think anyone is even denying these claims are legit. But being a raging narcissist isn't grounds for being fired for workplace misconduct.

I guess Im the only one that thinks this is pretty obvious what this is. Olshey sucks at his job, Portland's ownership group has come to the conclusion that Olshey sucks at his job. My guess is Olshey's salary is in the millions per year range. Portland's ownership group most likely is looking for a way to fire him where they wont still have to pay him after they fire him. Terminating his contract because of "workplace misconduct" is probably one way to do that.

Paul Allen's estate was worth an estimated $20 billion when he died. Whatever Olshey is making, I'm sure the Blazers can afford to eat it.

Ya Im sure they can. Doesnt mean they want to eat millions of dollars though. Guess what if youre a family worth billions of dollars, Im sure you got some cold people running that fortune. Im sure if they can find a way to get rid of someone who clearly has worn out his time there, without having to pay him millions of dollars, they're going to try and do that.

[Sedale Threatt]

The thing is, when youre working for a multibillion dollar company and youre a high up in that multibillion dollar business. Most times when someone messes up, a quick "hey, you f'd up, fix it" doesnt work. Its not a McDonalds where your screw up might cost the McDonalds 99 cents. A screw up when youre a high up in a multibillion dollar business can mean a million dollar screw up. This is why so many people who have these jobs are **** and people are terrified of them.

Dont get me wrong Im not saying these people are a joy to work for. But ya when youre working directly with someone who is running a multibillion dollar business, get ready for a very stressful and intense work environment.

So depending on how much money your company makes, it gives you carte blanche to be a raging, abusive @sshole? Like I said in the Sarver thread, it's like some of you actually want to be treated like garbage. There's zero excuse to bully or abuse anybody, regardless of the circumstances. People who operate like that do it because they can, and nobody calls them on it. Sadly, if you get good enough results you can do pretty much whatever you want, which is bad enough. But how about instead of just shrugging our shoulders, we put the onus on these people to change? And if they can't, they don't need to be in leadership positions. You're not going to find many more high pressure jobs than coaching, and there's been a real sea change in attitude there in terms of how they do their jobs. If they can change, so can CEOs and NBA GMs.

No but Im talking about reality though.

Yeah, and we should fix that, in part by holding (alleged) pricks like this accountable. Again, you don't have to behave like this. There are tons and tons of people who work in high-pressure, high-consequence fields, and to think that everybody abuses their employees is absolutely absurd. People made the same excuses for Jordan being a borderline sociopath. "He was just trying to win, hold his teammates accountable, blah blah blah." Sure, that's one way to do it. And then you have guys like Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan and Stephen Curry who somehow managed to win a ton without being complete jerkoffs.

Hell, I work in a small department in one of the largest media companies in the country, and by default the world. (Huge contracts with the NBA, NCAA, MLB, etc etc etc.) We are way, way down on the totem pole in the grand scheme of what we do. But when we F up, we definitely hear about it, and if we F'd up enough it would have really damaging impacts on our overall business. My boss is absolutely willing to call you on the carpet when you screw up. He also doesn't make it hell on earth to come into work. I've had that before, with much smaller stakes, and again, it f'ing sucks.

So it doesn't have anything to do with expectations, or pressure, or how much your business makes, or anything like that. If you're abusing your employees, it's because that's how you are choosing to treat people who work for you, and that's wrong.

[Sedale Threatt]

I dont think anyone is even denying these claims are legit. But being a raging narcissist isn't grounds for being fired for workplace misconduct.

I guess Im the only one that thinks this is pretty obvious what this is. Olshey sucks at his job, Portland's ownership group has come to the conclusion that Olshey sucks at his job. My guess is Olshey's salary is in the millions per year range. Portland's ownership group most likely is looking for a way to fire him where they wont still have to pay him after they fire him. Terminating his contract because of "workplace misconduct" is probably one way to do that.

Paul Allen's estate was worth an estimated $20 billion when he died. Whatever Olshey is making, I'm sure the Blazers can afford to eat it.

Ya Im sure they can. Doesnt mean they want to eat millions of dollars though. Guess what if youre a family worth billions of dollars, Im sure you got some cold people running that fortune. Im sure if they can find a way to get rid of someone who clearly has worn out his time there, without having to pay him millions of dollars, they're going to try and do that.

And they could just as easily not give a sh*t. This is pure speculation on your part, and if there's anybody who could absorb this kind of loss, the steward of one of the largest fortunes in the world can easily do that.

[Clemenza]

It would actually help the Blazers if he was removed. He's a terrible GM

[LuDux1]

If you look deep enough, everyone has something they can be fired over. Literally everyone. This is heading down a dangerous path

I wonder who gains the most if literally everyone is fired? Grays, robots, cats and dogs conspiring together? Well that would be too obvious. I think I need to do more research

[Jfh20]

if there going to remove the blazers gm for being mean to people you better get ready for alot of these cases to hit the fan, especially from the nfl.

[Duke4life831]

So depending on how much money your company makes, it gives you carte blanche to be a raging, abusive @sshole? Like I said in the Sarver thread, it's like some of you actually want to be treated like garbage. There's zero excuse to bully or abuse anybody, regardless of the circumstances. People who operate like that do it because they can, and nobody calls them on it. Sadly, if you get good enough results you can do pretty much whatever you want, which is bad enough. But how about instead of just shrugging our shoulders, we put the onus on these people to change? And if they can't, they don't need to be in leadership positions. You're not going to find many more high pressure jobs than coaching, and there's been a real sea change in attitude there in terms of how they do their jobs. If they can change, so can CEOs and NBA GMs.

No but Im talking about reality though.

Yeah, and we should fix that, in part by holding (alleged) pricks like this accountable. Again, you don't have to behave like this. There are tons and tons of people who work in high-pressure, high-consequence fields, and to think that everybody abuses their employees is absolutely absurd. People made the same excuses for Jordan being a borderline sociopath. "He was just trying to win, hold his teammates accountable, blah blah blah." Sure, that's one way to do it. And then you have guys like Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan and Stephen Curry who somehow managed to win a ton without being complete jerkoffs.

Hell, I work in a small department in one of the largest media companies in the country, and by default the world. (Huge contracts with the NBA, NCAA, MLB, etc etc etc.) We are way, way down on the totem pole in the grand scheme of what we do. But when we F up, we definitely hear about it, and if we F'd up enough it would have really damaging impacts on our overall business. My boss is absolutely willing to call you on the carpet when you screw up. He also doesn't make it hell on earth to come into work. I've had that before, with much smaller stakes, and again, it f'ing sucks.

So it doesn't have anything to do with expectations, or pressure, or how much your business makes, or anything like that. If you're abusing your employees, it's because that's how you are choosing to treat people who work for you, and that's wrong.

I honestly dont have a problem if he is a prick or a narcissist. And as of right now, Im not seeing any kind of examples of behavior that I think crosses the line. So far the examples are

a media person wrote a negative article about him and he didnt like it. The media person asked him what was incorrect in the story and Olshey's reply was "F you".

A basketball operations staff member tried to circumvent Olshey and found out and cussed him out and said if he did it again he would never work in the league again.

These arent crazy examples to me. Wow he doesnt like the media. Someone under him tried to go around him and was caught and got chewed out. These arent extreme examples to me.