Statistically Speaking, Who Had Better Teammates, Overall? Lebron or MJ?

[DCasey91]

You have to look at the playoffs. Lebron had teammates that had some incredible individual playoff performances.

Kyrie had some amazing games against the Warriors for example beyond anything any of MJ's teammates were capable of.

It’s not like MJ’s teammates had incredible performances ever....... Grant game 3 vs Lakers basically was automatic, Kukoc game 5 vs the Jazz Game 7 vs the Pacers, Rodman Game 6 vs the Sonics, different years but you catch my drift.

[Lost92Bricks]

It’s not like MJ’s teammates had incredible performances ever....... Kukoc game 5 vs the Jazz Game 7 vs the Pacers, Rodman Game 6 vs the Sonics, different years but you catch my drift.

I mean over a entire series or playoff run. Like actual elite superstar level of play.

[DCasey91]

Scottie Pippen? Pretty sure he was the best wing defender in the comp and a legit elite two way player.

Finals first 3peat:

91: 20.8/9.4/6.6/2.4/1 gmsc 17.5
92: 20.8/8.3/7.7/1.5/0.7 gmsc 18.1
93: 21/9.2/7.7/2/1 gmsc 15.6

I mean MJ and the Bulls had different versions of Paul George and Al Horford (Grant) to me.

Here are the names that started in the NBA finals on a Lebron led team (in no particular order):

Pavlovic
Gooden
Hughes
Ilguaskas
Anthony
Chalmers (2013)
Smith (2015,2018)
Dellavedova (2015)
Kevin Love (2016)
36 yr old Jefferson (2017)
Hill, Hood (2018)
Kuzma (2020)

That’s some warm doo doo there lol.

The OP question is teammates. Takes a team to win one.

[Owly]

Scottie Pippen? Pretty sure he was the best wing defender in the comp and a legit elite two way player.

Finals first 3peat:

91: 20.8/9.4/6.6/2.4/1 gmsc 17.5
92: 20.8/8.3/7.7/1.5/0.7 gmsc 18.1
93: 21/9.2/7.7/2/1 gmsc 15.6

I mean MJ and the Bulls had different versions of Paul George and Al Horford (Grant) to me.

Here are the names that started in the NBA finals on a Lebron led team (in no particular order):

Pavlovic
Gooden
Hughes
Ilguaskas
Anthony
Chalmers (2013)
Smith (2015,2018)
Dellavedova (2015)
Kevin Love (2016)
36 yr old Jefferson (2017)
Hill, Hood (2018)
Kuzma (2020)

That’s some warm doo doo there lol.

The OP question is teammates. Takes a team to win one.

Can't help but feel Mozgov ('15), the shell of the player formerly known as Mike Bibby ('10) warrant more of a place on the "doo doo" list than Ilgauskas or Love. I guess, though, that they are included based on their performance in the series in question rather than overall goodness value (across the season).

[JN61]

Easily LeBron.

[The4thHorseman]

You have to look at the playoffs. Lebron had teammates that had some incredible individual playoff performances.

Kyrie had some amazing games against the Warriors for example beyond anything any of MJ's teammates were capable of.

Then you gotta look at the offensive and defensive threats that LeBron had to play against in the Finals.

KD in 2012 was the 3x reigning scoring champion and Ibaka was runner up for DPOY while leading the league in blocks.

I believe that Steph and Klay were the top 2 in 3PM from 2015-2018. Draymond won DPOY in 2017 while also finishing runner-up in 2015 and 2016.

[migya]

You have to look at the playoffs. Lebron had teammates that had some incredible individual playoff performances.

Kyrie had some amazing games against the Warriors for example beyond anything any of MJ's teammates were capable of.

Then you gotta look at the offensive and defensive threats that LeBron had to play against in the Finals.

KD in 2012 was the 3x reigning scoring champion and Ibaka was runner up for DPOY while leading the league in blocks.

I believe that Steph and Klay were the top 2 in 3PM from 2015-2018. Draymond won DPOY in 2017 while also finishing runner-up in 2015 and 2016.

Likewise Jordan faced a GOAT candidate in his prime his first finals, a loaded team with the runner up for mvp his second finals, the mvp and a loaded team his third finals, the mvp and one of the best PGs ever in his fifth finals and again in his sixth finals.

[Frosty]

I’ll always say give Prime Pippen, Prime Grant with younger LBJ I’m sure he’d be successful. Better than Mo, Big Z or whatever the trash that the early Cavs FO came up with lmao.

At the age MJ was when Pippen and Grant hit their prime Lebron was already super teaming it in Miami. Lebron had less trash on his team then Jordan did for that period.

[DCasey91]

I’ll always say give Prime Pippen, Prime Grant with younger LBJ I’m sure he’d be successful. Better than Mo, Big Z or whatever the trash that the early Cavs FO came up with lmao.

At the age MJ was when Pippen and Grant hit their prime Lebron was already super teaming it in Miami. Lebron had less trash on his team then Jordan did for that period.

Now that’s a lie if I’ve ever heard one. Lebron had no one near his age demos or All Star ability young.
25 is 89’ MJ season for reference. Next year Pippen broke out and Grant was already very good for his age.

But sure 37 year old Shaq in 010’ for equivalent is better than young Pippen and Grant.

This is the bs I’m talking about that people are afraid to admit.

Check Pacers PG, Hawks Horford different versions but that’s exactly what Lebron is getting here. Nothing contrived about it.

If two sides can’t meet in the middle you’ll keep getting false statements.

LBJ gets underdeserved blame for creating a “superteam.”

Newsflash superteams was before Lebron even started his career and the Celtics teamed up before the Heat and Rondo went mad in 010.’ In fact Rondo in that time period was a gangsta. 4 All Stars appearances, 5 All NBA’s, 2 MVP shares in the top ten. 14.5/6/9.2 over a 92 game (181 steals to boot) spread in the playoffs for the Celtics. Playoff Rondo was real my man.

That’s a fact.

[dcstanley]

You have to look at the playoffs. Lebron had teammates that had some incredible individual playoff performances.

Kyrie had some amazing games against the Warriors for example beyond anything any of MJ's teammates were capable of.

Then you gotta look at the offensive and defensive threats that LeBron had to play against in the Finals.

KD in 2012 was the 3x reigning scoring champion and Ibaka was runner up for DPOY while leading the league in blocks.

I believe that Steph and Klay were the top 2 in 3PM from 2015-2018. Draymond won DPOY in 2017 while also finishing runner-up in 2015 and 2016.

Likewise Jordan faced a GOAT candidate in his prime his first finals, a loaded team with the runner up for mvp his second finals, the mvp and a loaded team his third finals, the mvp and one of the best PGs ever in his fifth finals and again in his sixth finals.

Lebron has faced 7 or 8 teams in the finals better than Jordan's best finals opponent.

[migya]

Then you gotta look at the offensive and defensive threats that LeBron had to play against in the Finals.

KD in 2012 was the 3x reigning scoring champion and Ibaka was runner up for DPOY while leading the league in blocks.

I believe that Steph and Klay were the top 2 in 3PM from 2015-2018. Draymond won DPOY in 2017 while also finishing runner-up in 2015 and 2016.

Likewise Jordan faced a GOAT candidate in his prime his first finals, a loaded team with the runner up for mvp his second finals, the mvp and a loaded team his third finals, the mvp and one of the best PGs ever in his fifth finals and again in his sixth finals.

Lebron has faced 7 or 8 teams in the finals better than Jordan's best finals opponent.

I've answered this in the other thread.

[Strepbacter]

The difference is that LeBum marginalizes every star he plays with, which is why Jordan anchored far more dominant teams.