The Tomjas Thread

[Jhawk03]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's bad business to trade Ben for trash that doesn't help the Sixers while the team that gets Ben flourishes. If the Sixers were to go into a rebuild then the point is moot, but competing for a title while accepting just any offer is simply bad business.

They want to trade him, have alienated him & made it virtually impossible for him to return

That’s seriously bad business

This is exactly how I imagine Ben sees it, which is so inconsistent with reality it is mind boggling. I hope he has not surrounded himself with people who are only able to feel offended for him.

If Ben had even a drop of mamba mentality after being "thrown under the bus" this thread dies at part 1

It's amazing that he still has people around him who put more focus on him being alienated and ridiculed (which impo is a bit overblown) then people who can push him to better himself or improve his situation.

[sixers4real]

Dejounte Murray shoots .457 from the field, .361 from three, scores 18.4 PPG on a 16.8 FGA, with TS .518 while his team is 7th worst NBA team.

Wow, people really think this is the difference maker Morey talked about? Do you guys really think this is the player Morey’s considering while being a fan of numbers?

And BTW, yeah, I agree with some posters here, Maxey will be a better player then Murray in his 6th year. Murray is playing his 6th season already. It’s not like he is in his 3rd NBA season.

[Samson]

Of course Morey is going to be held accountable for the outcome. Who's saying he's not? Why shouldn't the Sixers hold Simmons to the terms of his contract? Truly bizarre stance.

They want Simmons here to trade him & in the meantime, they have hit him with the biggest fines in the history of sport while leaking to the press which downgrades his value

It’s Mismanagement 101

Morey should have been sacked at the end of pre-season as he’s being played by other GMs & is a massive liability in this situation

Could you do me, well all of us, a real favor? Stop talking.

Like, never talk again.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in this matter...

Respectfully,

ALL of Us.

[Zumramania]

We are doing fine right now and in the playoffs we probably would not be doing better with Ben. So we can wait. There are 29 other teams and GM's: some teams will suck, some players from those teams will look ok there but they could turn into stars on our team, some stars could want out. It's on Morey to recognize these opportunities but for now this decision to wait is a no brainer for us. Other owners are also on our side because letting a player with almost a whole contract in front of him go the minute he wants out would be setting a dangerous precedent.

[sixers4real]

We are doing fine right now and in the playoffs we probably would not be doing better with Ben. So we can wait. There are 29 other teams and GM's: some teams will suck, some players from those teams will look ok there but they could turn into stars on our team, some stars could want out. It's on Morey to recognize these opportunities but for now this decision to wait is a no brainer for us. Other owners are also on our side because letting a player with almost a whole contract in front of him go the minute he wants out would be setting a dangerous precedent.

Exectly. Right now two teams are struggling.
- Wolves, they are 3-5 and lost 4 in a row. They have a difference maker in Edwards.
- Pelicans, they are 1-9 and lost 6 in a row. They have a difference maker in Ingram.

My bet would be its about time one of the GMs of this teams will panic and Morey can take advantage of it.

[kuclas]

We are doing fine right now and in the playoffs we probably would not be doing better with Ben. So we can wait. There are 29 other teams and GM's: some teams will suck, some players from those teams will look ok there but they could turn into stars on our team, some stars could want out. It's on Morey to recognize these opportunities but for now this decision to wait is a no brainer for us. Other owners are also on our side because letting a player with almost a whole contract in front of him go the minute he wants out would be setting a dangerous precedent.

Exectly. Right now two teams are struggling.
- Wolves, they are 3-5 and lost 4 in a row. They have a difference maker in Edwards.
- Pelicans, they are 1-9 and lost 5 in a row. They have a difference maker in Ingram.

My bet would be its about time one of the GMs of this teams will panic and Morey can take advantage of it.

Edwards looking like the second coming of Andrew Wiggins in Minnesota. Lots of empty stats. Not good shooter. Doesn’t help rebound. Doesn’t make players better. So so on defense.

If there is a declining asset. Minnesota better watch out. Let Edwards keep playing like this. Taking 20-22 shots a game. Shooting horribly. It’s only a small sample size. But not a good start. Sometimes it’s better to sell high now on Edwards.

The fit in Minnesota between dlo towns and Edwards is bad. Towns is actually the most efficient but since he’s a center he gets all the blame for their lack of defense.

That’s why Simmons fit in Minnesota is perfect to help towns. Doesn’t take shots away from kat plus defensive help rebounding help. And transition game.

[Negrodamus]

Dejounte Murray shoots .457 from the field, .361 from three, scores 18.4 PPG on a 16.8 FGA, with TS .518 while his team is 7th worst NBA team.

Wow, people really think this is the difference maker Morey talked about? Do you guys really think this is the player Morey’s considering while being a fan of numbers?

And BTW, yeah, I agree with some posters here, Maxey will be a better player then Murray in his 6th year. Murray is playing his 6th season already. It’s not like he is in his 3rd NBA season.

I think Maxey is and will continue to be a better finish at the rim. He's a better free throw shooter as well. Other than that, I think Murray has him beat, especially on defense.

If Murray came here, he would not be playing how he currently does. I think he'd average more assists and less points but on higher efficiency. I actually think he'd be an excellent fit here. Harass the James Hardens and Trae Youngs while essentially doing the role Maxey currently is, but better.

[ConstableChaos]

simmons with kat would be the best frontcourt in the league. probably not winning **** when the games matter through

[sixers4real]

Dejounte Murray shoots .457 from the field, .361 from three, scores 18.4 PPG on a 16.8 FGA, with TS .518 while his team is 7th worst NBA team.

Wow, people really think this is the difference maker Morey talked about? Do you guys really think this is the player Morey’s considering while being a fan of numbers?

And BTW, yeah, I agree with some posters here, Maxey will be a better player then Murray in his 6th year. Murray is playing his 6th season already. It’s not like he is in his 3rd NBA season.

I think Maxey is and will continue to be a better finish at the rim. He's a better free throw shooter as well. Other than that, I think Murray has him beat, especially on defense.

If Murray came here, he would not be playing how he currently does. I think he'd average more assists and less points but on higher efficiency. I actually think he'd be an excellent fit here. Harass the James Hardens and Trae Youngs while essentially doing the role Maxey currently is, but better.

I think Morey is looking at players mostly as assets, and I value Maxey as a much better asset then Murray. With that said, trading my main trade asset (Simmons) for Murray while taking minutes away from Maxey makes no sense to me.

[Sixerscan]

Jordan Poole and picks for Simmons would be a massive win at this point.

So you are saying “sack Morey”

I am down with that

His tennis lessons with Joel & media leaks are costing us 200k per week

Do it

"us"?

[GutUNC]

Morey has a proven track record of losing in situations like this (see Chris Paul)

How exactly are the Sixers helping Simmons trade value by leaking stuff designed to make him look bad?

I think a likely scenario is that teams want to make sure that Simmons can play so Morey is trying to force Ben to do so

He won’t so emotions have taken over

That rarely works out for the best

Tomjas take the sheets off over your eyes. Ben and Ben’s camp have done it to themselves. They got a nice dose of reality and can’t handle it.

Don’t strongarm a multi billion dollar organization, alienate the group and disrespect your peers that you’ve played with in quick succession in public.

Positive side it’s galvanized the group.

Why do you think Ben is getting fines and they haven’t kicked up a fuss about it? Because if it goes through the Sixers and the NBA he’ll get found out. The timing is bogus.

Ben has a fallout legal loop and aim straight at Rich Paul and there’s a fair chance of that happening. On a sinking boat it’s collateral and damage, damage control. If Noel is suing and Ben has a higher standing then watch out in the future.

Put two and two together not that hard. There’s a thing called fraudulence. Both sides are losing (no winners in war for laments terms) but Ben has zero leverage, it’s up to them to put down the charade and grown up.

Some point the buck stops with absurd over entitlement. A snake is a snake but keep biting it it’ll kill you and move on because it’s always more powerful in the end (Business over not a highest end individual because he doesn’t have authoritative power).

I have been the CEO of a much bigger organisation than the Sixers

If I had allowed a situation like this to develop then I would have been canned and I would have deserved it

The Sixers are imposing the biggest fines in history in an attempt to get someone to play for them

Can you not understand how absurd that is?

There’s no trust left and once that’s lost, it’s over and it’s been obvious for months

Simmons should have been traded before the draft and those assets used to acquire something else

That was the logical move

Instead, Morey is hoping that someone falls into his lap

“Hope” is not a business strategy

"My girlfriend is super hot but you don't know her - she's from up around Niagara Falls"

[Negrodamus]

Dejounte Murray shoots .457 from the field, .361 from three, scores 18.4 PPG on a 16.8 FGA, with TS .518 while his team is 7th worst NBA team.

Wow, people really think this is the difference maker Morey talked about? Do you guys really think this is the player Morey’s considering while being a fan of numbers?

And BTW, yeah, I agree with some posters here, Maxey will be a better player then Murray in his 6th year. Murray is playing his 6th season already. It’s not like he is in his 3rd NBA season.

I think Maxey is and will continue to be a better finish at the rim. He's a better free throw shooter as well. Other than that, I think Murray has him beat, especially on defense.

If Murray came here, he would not be playing how he currently does. I think he'd average more assists and less points but on higher efficiency. I actually think he'd be an excellent fit here. Harass the James Hardens and Trae Youngs while essentially doing the role Maxey currently is, but better.

I think Morey is looking at players mostly as assets, and I value Maxey as a much better asset then Murray. With that said, trading my main trade asset (Simmons) for Murray while taking minutes away from Maxey makes no sense to me.

Right, but I also don't see Ben's skillset as being more valuable than Dejounte, regardless of what the all star game appearances say.

Once you come to terms that Ben is a great role player who is murdering his own trade value, getting Dejounte Murray is honestly a steal.

[Wilfried]

We are doing fine right now and in the playoffs we probably would not be doing better with Ben. So we can wait. There are 29 other teams and GM's: some teams will suck, some players from those teams will look ok there but they could turn into stars on our team, some stars could want out. It's on Morey to recognize these opportunities but for now this decision to wait is a no brainer for us. Other owners are also on our side because letting a player with almost a whole contract in front of him go the minute he wants out would be setting a dangerous precedent.

Exectly. Right now two teams are struggling.
- Wolves, they are 3-5 and lost 4 in a row. They have a difference maker in Edwards.
- Pelicans, they are 1-9 and lost 5 in a row. They have a difference maker in Ingram.

My bet would be its about time one of the GMs of this teams will panic and Morey can take advantage of it.

Add Celtics to your list

[Kobblehead]

Jaden McDaniels looks like one of the worst players in the NBA right now. Thankfully, nobody in this organization valued him.

[stormi]

Jaden McDaniels looks like one of the worst players in the NBA right now. Thankfully, nobody in this organization valued him.

(don't rate him at all, but) Isn't he sorta a defensive menace

[sixers4real]

We are doing fine right now and in the playoffs we probably would not be doing better with Ben. So we can wait. There are 29 other teams and GM's: some teams will suck, some players from those teams will look ok there but they could turn into stars on our team, some stars could want out. It's on Morey to recognize these opportunities but for now this decision to wait is a no brainer for us. Other owners are also on our side because letting a player with almost a whole contract in front of him go the minute he wants out would be setting a dangerous precedent.

Exectly. Right now two teams are struggling.
- Wolves, they are 3-5 and lost 4 in a row. They have a difference maker in Edwards.
- Pelicans, they are 1-9 and lost 5 in a row. They have a difference maker in Ingram.

My bet would be its about time one of the GMs of this teams will panic and Morey can take advantage of it.

Edwards looking like the second coming of Andrew Wiggins in Minnesota. Lots of empty stats. Not good shooter. Doesn’t help rebound. Doesn’t make players better. So so on defense.

If there is a declining asset. Minnesota better watch out. Let Edwards keep playing like this. Taking 20-22 shots a game. Shooting horribly. It’s only a small sample size. But not a good start. Sometimes it’s better to sell high now on Edwards.

The fit in Minnesota between dlo towns and Edwards is bad. Towns is actually the most efficient but since he’s a center he gets all the blame for their lack of defense.

That’s why Simmons fit in Minnesota is perfect to help towns. Doesn’t take shots away from kat plus defensive help rebounding help. And transition game.

I don’t like Edwards as well. I just hope Pelicans like him and we’ll a three way when Ingram goes to Philly, Simmons to Minnesota, Edwards to the Pelicans.

[sixers4real]

We are doing fine right now and in the playoffs we probably would not be doing better with Ben. So we can wait. There are 29 other teams and GM's: some teams will suck, some players from those teams will look ok there but they could turn into stars on our team, some stars could want out. It's on Morey to recognize these opportunities but for now this decision to wait is a no brainer for us. Other owners are also on our side because letting a player with almost a whole contract in front of him go the minute he wants out would be setting a dangerous precedent.

Exectly. Right now two teams are struggling.
- Wolves, they are 3-5 and lost 4 in a row. They have a difference maker in Edwards.
- Pelicans, they are 1-9 and lost 5 in a row. They have a difference maker in Ingram.

My bet would be its about time one of the GMs of this teams will panic and Morey can take advantage of it.

Add Celtics to your list

I did, i just don’t think they will want to trade J.Brown already. Seems like a risky move to make for Brad Stevens.
Boston fans hate Simmons, Stevens knows all his weeknes, so I highly doubt that type of deal will happen. Although I love J.Brown and I’m rooting for Celtics to fail.

[sixers4real]

I think Maxey is and will continue to be a better finish at the rim. He's a better free throw shooter as well. Other than that, I think Murray has him beat, especially on defense.

If Murray came here, he would not be playing how he currently does. I think he'd average more assists and less points but on higher efficiency. I actually think he'd be an excellent fit here. Harass the James Hardens and Trae Youngs while essentially doing the role Maxey currently is, but better.

I think Morey is looking at players mostly as assets, and I value Maxey as a much better asset then Murray. With that said, trading my main trade asset (Simmons) for Murray while taking minutes away from Maxey makes no sense to me.

Right, but I also don't see Ben's skillset as being more valuable than Dejounte, regardless of what the all star game appearance say.

Once you come to terms that Ben is a great role player who is murdering his own trade value, getting Dejounte Murray is honestly a steal.

I don’t think Morey or Doc ever fell in love with Bens or Dejounte skillset.
That’s why Morey tried to trade Ben for Harden last year.

My guess would he is searching for a player that can play PnR on elite level, while also being able to shoot on a good efficiency.

[mjkvol]

"My girlfriend is super hot but you don't know her - she's from up around Niagara Falls"

That is really funny.

But at what point does everyone simply ignore Tomjas' idiocy and stop quoting him? It's gotten way beyond old.

[Negrodamus]

Jordan Poole and picks for Simmons would be a massive win at this point.

So you are saying “sack Morey”

I am down with that

His tennis lessons with Joel & media leaks are costing us 200k per week

Do it

"us"?

It was a slip, he's the CEO of Klutch Sports (much bigger than the Sixers) and it's costing them 200k a week.