Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[Flash4thewin]

I haven't been open to the idea of trading Robinson this season just because of the fact that the team is off to such a great start.

However thinking on it more. If Robinson can get you Harrison Barnes from Sacramento I think I'd make that deal.

Barnes plays PF for SAC but he could easily slot into Robinson's role here at SF.

Changing our rotation to
Lowry/Oladipo
Butler/Herro
Barnes/Strus
Tucker/Morris
Bam/Dedmond

This would be a pretty drastic improvement both offensively and defensively. We'd then have no one in our starting 5 you could hunt in a switch come playoff time.

I know Robinson gives you a lot of value with his movement, spacing and ability to shoot the ball. But Barnes is playing pretty out of this world to start this season 23.3ppg, 9.5rpg, 2.4apg, 1spg shooting 49FG%, 86FT% and 47% from 3.

If the deal became Robinson plus more to get Barnes then that would give me reason to pause, but a straight up trade I think you have to do it.

Barnes is avg basically 24/10. The Kings would laugh at us for offering Robinson. Robinson is not a value at his contract and thus far has been underwhelming.

[DayofMourning]

Yeah, nobody is going to want Duncan unless he turns it around in a big way. But if he did that, then we'd be best keeping him any way.

[Kobewade11]

I said all offseason you can find good enough shooters at a value price. The myth that we "had" to give Duncan a big deal because he's so vital to the offense was exactly that - a myth. "But kobewade the salary cap is going to go up!!" doesn't matter, you can always find adequate specialists. The Jimmys, Bams and Herros are the guys you cant get just anywhere.

[AirP.]

I said all offseason you can find good enough shooters at a value price. The myth that we "had" to give Duncan a big deal because he's so vital to the offense was exactly that - a myth. "But kobewade the salary cap is going to go up!!" doesn't matter, you can always find adequate specialists. The Jimmys, Bams and Herros are the guys you cant get just anywhere.

100% Maybe they kept him in hopes of flipping him once Oladipo looks near himself again. With the team being over the cap for the next few years Miami need sizable filler contracts to go with low cost assets/picks in trades.

[harlem_ball]

Yeah, nobody is going to want Duncan unless he turns it around in a big way. But if he did that, then we'd be best keeping him any way.

I don't agree. Robinsons reputation is sound. Could be a fit issue. Teams will be interested.

[somerandomdude]

Yeah, nobody is going to want Duncan unless he turns it around in a big way. But if he did that, then we'd be best keeping him any way.

Perhaps, but it's really best just to get rid of his contract. As much as an important piece he would be for our team, a 3pt specialist is not someone you give that kind of money to. He pretty much got paid his entire career's worth from that deal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yeah, nobody is going to want Duncan unless he turns it around in a big way. But if he did that, then we'd be best keeping him any way.

Perhaps, but it's really best just to get rid of his contract. As much as an important piece he would be for our team, a 3pt specialist is not someone you give that kind of money to. He pretty much got paid his entire career's worth from that deal.

Bertans and Harris are also looking like real bad contracts as well. All these so called shooters are struggling mightily.

[harlem_ball]

To entertain this pipe dream of Barnes for Robinson straight up... Imagine moving Tucker to the 3 and having Barnes at the 4...hmm..

Bam
Barnes
Tucker
Jimmy
Lowry

Extra D and no glaring defensive weaknesses and about the same shooting, especially the way DRob is shooting it during this slump.

DRob still does warrant attention and has freed up the Heat O to a point but on a night like tonight vs the Celtics he seemed pretty Fn useless.

Then you have Herro and Struss bombing off the bench.. is it enough? Maybe hanging on to a shooter like DRob will keep defenses more honest... I don't know.

Maximum Strussy was missed tonight.

[Wiltside]

Yeah, nobody is going to want Duncan unless he turns it around in a big way. But if he did that, then we'd be best keeping him any way.

Perhaps, but it's really best just to get rid of his contract. As much as an important piece he would be for our team, a 3pt specialist is not someone you give that kind of money to. He pretty much got paid his entire career's worth from that deal.

Bertans and Harris are also looking like real bad contracts as well. All these so called shooters are struggling mightily.

5yrs MWP. Woy.

Duncan better get his chit sorted out soon. 10pts per game on chitty %'s ain't doing it for me.

[dshearn]

I haven't been open to the idea of trading Robinson this season just because of the fact that the team is off to such a great start.

However thinking on it more. If Robinson can get you Harrison Barnes from Sacramento I think I'd make that deal.

Barnes plays PF for SAC but he could easily slot into Robinson's role here at SF.

Changing our rotation to
Lowry/Oladipo
Butler/Herro
Barnes/Strus
Tucker/Morris
Bam/Dedmond

This would be a pretty drastic improvement both offensively and defensively. We'd then have no one in our starting 5 you could hunt in a switch come playoff time.

I know Robinson gives you a lot of value with his movement, spacing and ability to shoot the ball. But Barnes is playing pretty out of this world to start this season 23.3ppg, 9.5rpg, 2.4apg, 1spg shooting 49FG%, 86FT% and 47% from 3.

If the deal became Robinson plus more to get Barnes then that would give me reason to pause, but a straight up trade I think you have to do it.

I’m kinda shocked how reliant Duncan is on the hand off game. I also wonder how much the ball change effects him.

I only saw a part of the Celtics game… came in after half time and left in the 4th…. But Duncan was abnormally open, and hesitant to shoot… he had half second openings he passed up on that he took a green light on in previous seasons.

We use to joke how Duncan missed the wide open shots and nailed impossible shots. He clearly has muscle memory rhythm to his game that is now disrupted.

I hope Duncan hit the gym first thing this morning to get his shooting back in line. If he can keep his own guy on him, and can’t shots it’s going to be disaster.

[AirP.]

I haven't been open to the idea of trading Robinson this season just because of the fact that the team is off to such a great start.

However thinking on it more. If Robinson can get you Harrison Barnes from Sacramento I think I'd make that deal.

Barnes plays PF for SAC but he could easily slot into Robinson's role here at SF.

Changing our rotation to
Lowry/Oladipo
Butler/Herro
Barnes/Strus
Tucker/Morris
Bam/Dedmond

This would be a pretty drastic improvement both offensively and defensively. We'd then have no one in our starting 5 you could hunt in a switch come playoff time.

I know Robinson gives you a lot of value with his movement, spacing and ability to shoot the ball. But Barnes is playing pretty out of this world to start this season 23.3ppg, 9.5rpg, 2.4apg, 1spg shooting 49FG%, 86FT% and 47% from 3.

If the deal became Robinson plus more to get Barnes then that would give me reason to pause, but a straight up trade I think you have to do it.

I’m kinda shocked how reliant Duncan is on the hand off game. I also wonder how much the ball change effects him.

I only saw a part of the Celtics game… came in after half time and left in the 4th…. But Duncan was abnormally open, and hesitant to shoot… he had half second openings he passed up on that he took a green light on in previous seasons.

We use to joke how Duncan missed the wide open shots and nailed impossible shots. He clearly has muscle memory rhythm to his game that is now disrupted.

I hope Duncan hit the gym first thing this morning to get his shooting back in line. If he can keep his own guy on him, and can’t shots it’s going to be disaster.

As of Nov 5th he's shooting nearly the same % with the 1 dribble shots/pullups 3pters that he did last year, the issue is he's shooting around 30% on the catch and shoot/0 dribble shots which include the wide open shots he's gotten, these are also the shots he's taking more of. He's currently below 29% on wide open 3pt shots. It won't last of course, but this is the issue when giving a lot of money to shooter, when they're not making shots they're usually negatives on the court.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629130/shots-dash/

[SerialChiller]

What you guys think about Dragic possibly getting traded then released and returning to our team?

I don't mind the idea provided Wall isn't a possibility.

Looking at salaries and situations I think Eric Gordon is a likely candidate for Toronto to trade for. Gordon has a 3yr 18-20mil per year contract and likely wants to be moved since Houston are tanking. Saves Houston money and Gordon seems like a good fit alongside VanFleet, OG, Barnes and Precious. Gary Trent Jr can move to a 6th man role off the bench.

Houston would likely want some pick/s or something in the trade but could make some sense as a money saving/tank move for Houston.

Is that even possible? I thought teams couldn't trade a player then sign him after buyout that same season. Perhaps him going from Toronto to a third team that then buys him out makes a difference?

Dragic cannot be signed by the Heat this szn under any circumstances. i don't think NBA will allow any loophole we are the original team

A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100

Apparently at least according to this article it's actually possible to get Dragic if TO trades him and he's bought out by another team

https://heavy.com/sports/miami-heat/goran-dragic-raptors-buyout-rumors/

[puppa bear]

Is that even possible? I thought teams couldn't trade a player then sign him after buyout that same season. Perhaps him going from Toronto to a third team that then buys him out makes a difference?

Dragic cannot be signed by the Heat this szn under any circumstances. i don't think NBA will allow any loophole we are the original team

A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100

Apparently at least according to this article it's actually possible to get Dragic if TO trades him and he's bought out by another team

https://heavy.com/sports/miami-heat/goran-dragic-raptors-buyout-rumors/

Awesome if true. Just need the Raps to ship him out to somewhere that will buy him out!

[twix2500]

Great early start so for, 7-2.

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[AirP.]

So, after 9 games(over 10% of the season over) Robinson is shooting 33% from 3pt range.
If he shoots as well as he did last year for the rest of this season, he will shoot just below 40% from 3pt range for the season. At his pace last year, he'll have to make 1 more 3pter more then his pace last year to hit 40%.

As of now, Robinson's TS% (.501) is only above Vincent, Haslem and Garett for the Heat.

[marson]

It's quite Bizarre to what happened to Duncan Robinson. What I notice is the handoffs with Bam are more less this season due to that fact that we have Lowry now on the team and Bam is more featured in the offense.

I think it would be difficult to trade him because of his contract for now. Good thing about him is his durability. I don't remember a game he misses in the past 2 years.

Someone said here that he should take less 3s and only take 3 pt. shots in the rhythm of our offense. He looks bad out there when his shot isn't falling.

[marson]

Also, we will have the Robinson/Herro dilemma coming soon when Tyler is in for a contract extension.

I don't see us moving forward with Herro still coming of the bench for us next year. He is too good to be a sixth man. If we will give the fat extension to Tyler then Duncan is a goner.

So this could be the final year here for Duncan, so we might as well feature him now and trade him later.

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[somerandomdude]

I don't see us moving forward with Herro still coming of the bench for us next year. He is too good to be a sixth man.

He's been so good off the bench for us, though. As much as he's earned it, I don't think we get better as a team by moving him to the starting lineup in the distant future. Maybe if Oladipo comes back, has a solid year, and we can re-sign him.

Besides, he plays the entire 2nd and 4th quarter and closes games for us, so he's all but a starter.