I think Ben Simmons just rage quit

[the_process]

People like you are an embarrassment to basketball discussion

Why because Simmons passed up a couple of shots when he wasn't feeling comfortable?

You mean a wide open dunk? Not to say Simmons is the scapegoat and Embiid is a perfect player, but at this point Simmons should return to the team or expect to never play meaningful basketball in his career again.

That’s the thing. Ben doesn’t want to play meaningful games. He wants to collect paychecks and get AS selections on lottery teams so he can get home early for the next COD tournament.

[JoeZeke]

To this day I'm still mystified the Sixers thought Ben Simmons could be a full time point guard. He can't shoot, hit free throws, control the pace, play pnr, etc. He's not even able to use his size advantage at the position. He can grab a board and push it up the floor, but that's it.

That being said I'm happy he's no longer with the Sixers. You really have to watch Simmons nightly to appreciate how bad he was for the team, even if his defense is good as believed. You'd have to be a center with once in a generation defense to make up for his refusal to shoot the ball. I know people love these defensive specialist, but they to at least be a threat to make a shot in the playoffs.

[SSUBluesman]

People like me been saying for 4 years the sixers are better without bum simmons. 4 years Ive been ridiculed. Its so obvious its painful

How can anyone be dumb enough to not realize playing 4v5 is bad?

Our defense is just **** fine without him too. His defense is and always was over rated

Yes indeed. And further, the amount of insistence by most Philly fans that Embiid and Simmons were a good fit (before the playoff fiasco last season) was always mystifying to me. It was BLATANTLY obvious that Simmons should have been moved....for years.

While I've commented more than once that I think Hinkie is incredibly overrated I will admit that it's almost certain he deals Ben well before this would have happened.

I'd be very curious as to how far his trade value has fallen from a past few seasons. I know the trade board has some long-standing, dedicated posters, perhaps one could provide what change (if any) he's undergone trade value wise?

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Why because Simmons passed up a couple of shots when he wasn't feeling comfortable?

You mean a wide open dunk? Not to say Simmons is the scapegoat and Embiid is a perfect player, but at this point Simmons should return to the team or expect to never play meaningful basketball in his career again.

If they traded for Ben Simmons, Golden State and Brooklyn would become heavy championship favorites. whereas Philly don't have a shot with or without Simmons.

In reality, if Simmons was so great he would thrive with this group of guys …

Curry Korkmaz Niang all shooting the lights out and Philly surprisingly sits atop the East…

I use to think Simmons needed a team solely designed for him… now after seeing Philly win games without him, that team has scorers around Ben at every level.. didnt even bring up Tobias Harris.

[UcanUwill]

rage quitting implies devotion, Ben is more of the - I just do this for money and fame kind of guy.

[Nate505]

He has the physical tools and talent to be an elite basketball player, but does not have the proper mental makeup to be a professional athlete.

Once the pressures of the latter got too much, he was done. Except for some reason he still wants to be paid for not playing.

[bebopdeluxe]

Philly would not have even made it out of the 1st Round without Ben's 14.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 9.2 assists. .640 field shooting vs. Washington 2021.
In fact Boston swept Philly the previous year, because Ben didn't play....

And the reason why Philly never won the championship is because Embiid shot .370 in the 7-game series vs. Toronto 2019, and-
Game 6:
Simmons 21 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 0 turnovers
Embiid 17 points, 5-14 field, 12 rebounds, 5 turnovers
Game 7:
Simmons 13 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks
Embiid 21 points, 6-18 field, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks

Shhh Simmons is the designated scape goat, his lack of shooting is the problem not Embiid's struggles. Embiid is never to blame.

How do you explain the fact that the Sixers are #1 in offensive efficiency? I understand it is early, but 10 games is getting to be a decent sample size.

The ball is moving. The Sixers are regularly having 5 or more people with double-figure points, and several people a game with 4+ assists a game. I guess that is why they are #1 in offensive efficiency?

Ben is a tremendous defender and is great in transition offense. However, it is hard to argue that the Sixers half-court offense is worse without him.

And I am not even going to get into the fact that teams having to defend 5-on-5 instead of 4-on-5 - with shooters all around Embiid - makes it more difficult to double Embiid - which should lead to him turning the ball over less. Yes - he had a lot of turnovers in the Atlanta series, but many of those occured when the Sixers were playing 4-on-5 (or when Thybulle was out there, even 3-on-5).

Does that make sense?

[bebopdeluxe]

It may be different in the playoffs but at this stage I just want him to be on the sixers for the full year and not come back at all.

As long as Ben Simmons gets ZERO DOLLARS of salary, I am fine with this.

[bebopdeluxe]

it is insane to me how doc rivers is somehow fading responsibility for yet another locker room fallout under his nose.

Yeah. Doc Rivers is a locker room cancer of a coach. Just look at this season - Ben SImmons suspended...Harris (and other players) out with COVID...Green hurt...and LOOK HOW THEY ARE FALLING APART IN THE LOCKER ROOM! RIGHT?

Err....aaah...ummm...I'l just let myself out. Thanks.

[bebopdeluxe]

Philly would not have even made it out of the 1st Round without Ben's 14.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 9.2 assists. .640 field shooting vs. Washington 2021.
In fact Boston swept Philly the previous year, because Ben didn't play....

And the reason why Philly never won the championship is because Embiid shot .370 in the 7-game series vs. Toronto 2019, and-
Game 6:
Simmons 21 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 0 turnovers
Embiid 17 points, 5-14 field, 12 rebounds, 5 turnovers
Game 7:
Simmons 13 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks
Embiid 21 points, 6-18 field, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks

I don't know why you keep repeating this bs. Whoever guarded Simmons doubled off of him due to his lack of a jumper and smothered Embiid. Also look at the last shot, Joel contested it the best he could and who was the one who gave up? That bum Simmons!

This Embiid vs. Simmons analysis for that Toronto series has one glaring omission: Jimmy Butler was the best player for the Sixers in that series! Over 7 games, Butler was the leading scorer and led in assists despite Simmons being the PG.

As a Raptors fan, I remember Butler was tenacious, went toe-to-toe with Kawhi in the dying minutes of Game 7, where in the last 5 minutes he scored 5 of Philly's last 10 points. If it weren't for Butler, Toronto would not have needed that last second Kawhi shot. Embiid made key free throws and left everything on the floor. Meanwhile, Simmons was nowhere to be seen in crunch time.

EMBIID played FORTY FIVE minutes in Game 7 against Toronto. In the 3 minutes he did not play, the Sixers were -11.

MINUS ELEVEN IN THREE MINUTES.

Think about that.

[bebopdeluxe]

Why because Simmons passed up a couple of shots when he wasn't feeling comfortable?

You mean a wide open dunk? Not to say Simmons is the scapegoat and Embiid is a perfect player, but at this point Simmons should return to the team or expect to never play meaningful basketball in his career again.

If they traded for Ben Simmons, Golden State and Brooklyn would become heavy championship favorites. whereas Philly don't have a shot with or without Simmons.

I think it depends on we we get for him. If, for example, the Sixers traded him to Denver for Jamal Murray or MPJ to play the 3, I think they would be a pretty dangerous team come playoff time.

[bebopdeluxe]

so since they don't need him and it's decided he had nothing to do with their success why won't they just trade him then

A team having a surplus of good players doesn't mean they have to give away a good player.

Stop it with these logical posts. Don't you know that this is the RealGM GB?

[bebopdeluxe]

I still don't get it how it's Simmons getting literally all the blame and the fact the whole team blew multiple big leads barely gets mentioned.

Simmons gets the blame because he basically took ZERO SHOTS in the 4th quarter for the entire series. Try playing 4-on-5 on offense (allowing the defense to basically double your best player EVERY GAME) in games in May and see what happens.

[bebopdeluxe]

Why because Simmons passed up a couple of shots when he wasn't feeling comfortable?

You mean a wide open dunk? Not to say Simmons is the scapegoat and Embiid is a perfect player, but at this point Simmons should return to the team or expect to never play meaningful basketball in his career again.

That’s the thing. Ben doesn’t want to play meaningful games. He wants to collect paychecks and get AS selections on lottery teams so he can get home early for the next COD tournament.

Post of the thread right here.

[Murray_17]

EMBIID played FORTY FIVE minutes in Game 7 against Toronto. In the 3 minutes he did not play, the Sixers were -11.

MINUS ELEVEN IN THREE MINUTES.

Think about that.

Yeah, people like to talk about Embiid offensive struggles in that series, with a reason too, but tend to forget other stuff.

After the first game Brown decided to put Embiid on Siakam and that effectively made Siakam just a volume scorer.

[the_process]

so since they don't need him and it's decided he had nothing to do with their success why won't they just trade him then

A team having a surplus of good players doesn't mean they have to give away a good player.

Way too much common sense for the GB here.

[Woodsanity]

Philly would not have even made it out of the 1st Round without Ben's 14.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 9.2 assists. .640 field shooting vs. Washington 2021.
In fact Boston swept Philly the previous year, because Ben didn't play....

And the reason why Philly never won the championship is because Embiid shot .370 in the 7-game series vs. Toronto 2019, and-
Game 6:
Simmons 21 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 0 turnovers
Embiid 17 points, 5-14 field, 12 rebounds, 5 turnovers
Game 7:
Simmons 13 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks
Embiid 21 points, 6-18 field, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks

Shh you aren't allowed to discuss Glassbiid's numerous playoff failures on here.

[K3nny Pow3rs]

You mean a wide open dunk? Not to say Simmons is the scapegoat and Embiid is a perfect player, but at this point Simmons should return to the team or expect to never play meaningful basketball in his career again.

If they traded for Ben Simmons, Golden State and Brooklyn would become heavy championship favorites. whereas Philly don't have a shot with or without Simmons.

In reality, if Simmons was so great he would thrive with this group of guys …

Curry Korkmaz Niang all shooting the lights out and Philly surprisingly sits atop the East…

I use to think Simmons needed a team solely designed for him… now after seeing Philly win games without him, that team has scorers around Ben at every level.. didnt even bring up Tobias Harris.

Golden State don't have an Embiid blocking the paint.....so Simmons can knife down the middle and score or hit their shooters.
Embiid is the biggest problem for Simmons, although last year's Sixers finished #1 in the East....
As for this year's Sixers winning without Simmons, I wouldn't read anything into that, as last year's Sixers went 7-3 in a 10-game stretch without Embiid (SAS, NYK, MIL, SAC, @NYK, @GSW, @LAL, @LAC, @DEN, @CLE) and conceded only 102.8ppg.

[K3nny Pow3rs]

I don't know why you keep repeating this bs. Whoever guarded Simmons doubled off of him due to his lack of a jumper and smothered Embiid. Also look at the last shot, Joel contested it the best he could and who was the one who gave up? That bum Simmons!

This Embiid vs. Simmons analysis for that Toronto series has one glaring omission: Jimmy Butler was the best player for the Sixers in that series! Over 7 games, Butler was the leading scorer and led in assists despite Simmons being the PG.

As a Raptors fan, I remember Butler was tenacious, went toe-to-toe with Kawhi in the dying minutes of Game 7, where in the last 5 minutes he scored 5 of Philly's last 10 points. If it weren't for Butler, Toronto would not have needed that last second Kawhi shot. Embiid made key free throws and left everything on the floor. Meanwhile, Simmons was nowhere to be seen in crunch time.

EMBIID played FORTY FIVE minutes in Game 7 against Toronto. In the 3 minutes he did not play, the Sixers were -11.

MINUS ELEVEN IN THREE MINUTES.

Think about that.

And in the last 10 minutes of Game 7 vs. Atlanta, Embiid scored a total of 4 points and turned the ball over twice, including with 44 seconds left when he lost the ball to Gallinari....

[JoeZeke]

Embiid reminds of Patrick Ewing in the way they always get "injured" right as the playoffs start. This "injury" always serves as an excuse for when they play poorly. Embiid deserves his share of the blame, whether it's the injuries or just poor conditioning. He needs to better at the end of games. Simmons has no excuses though, he just won't shoot the ball or play aggressive. He's not even making an effort, it's childlike behavior on his part.