RS 21/22 - Mavs vs Celtics (Sat. 8:30PM EST)

[HMFFL]

I think I was too excited about the victory and Luka's performance.

There's still some concerning things. Celtics are a mess and were missing their 2nd best player, yet it went down to the last shot.

15 TOs and 33% from 3 are just bad numbers.

Good thing for the Mavs that Schroder thought he is a star and the Celtics shot 29% from 3.

Luka, KP and Bullock played great. DFS found his 3pt shot. THJ will always be inconsistent.

I can't wait for Kidd to wake up about Powell. Plus, I wanted Bullock to start at the beginning of the season and I see nothing that has changed my mind.

The Lakers look pathetic. Granted, no Lebron, Anthony Davis played only seven minutes, but Russ shot 1 for 13.

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[taibumu]

It's a perfect moment to trade THJ and get Marcus Smart.


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It's a perfect moment to trade THJ and get Marcus Smart.

You can't be serious?

About the game, finally Bullock outplayed DFS...man Tatum raped him all night long. Embarassing.

Yeah Bullock played good defense. He showed again why DFS is a bit overrated on defensive end and is not worth top $$$. Momentum completely shifted when THJ started guarding Tatum. I still don't understand why the worst 1v1 defender would guard opposing best guard. Bullock at least held Tatum in check but then he got hot. Kidd really dropped the ball in the 2nd half with his decision/player rotations.

[41Dirk41]

Smart for THJ straight up isn't good for us, unless we take another scorer.
Hope Frank could be our Smart in the future, he is just 23yo.

WCS can't play. Official. Try Moses next game.
S.Brown is a no factor like i said days ago...more useless than Burke.

[ejs78]

I really don't know why anyone wouldn't want Dragic here.. Watch the games we have two guys who can dribble.....TWO. Its not even about shot creation so much anymore as a couple times DFS/ Bullock had the ball it was a absolute mess out there

As for as Eric Gordon he too would be a nice attainable piece who can help with scoring and again can handle the ball some. Don't see him replacing Timmy sorry.

Are either of these 2 or both going to make the Mavs title contenders probably not, but unless some unforseen monster trade happens with pieces the Mavs don't have these are the types of players need to target that should help.


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[41Dirk41]

I really don't know why anyone wouldn't want Dragic here.. Watch the games we have two guys who can dribble.....TWO. Its not even about shot creation so much anymore as a couple times DFS/ Bullock had the ball it was a absolute mess out there

As for as Eric Gordon he too would be a nice attainable piece who can help with scoring and again can handle the ball some. Don't see him replacing Timmy sorry.

Are either of these 2 or both going to make the Mavs title contenders probably not, but unless some unforseen monster trade happens with pieces the Mavs don't have these are the types of players need to target that should help.


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I agree.

Dragic+Gordon would be a huge upgrade for sure.
People only see boxscore and YouTube HL, no surprise they can't judge well about players.
It happens often.
THJ has a lot of night off, having another scorer for replace him in those games would be very helpfull.

[taibumu]

It's a perfect moment to trade THJ and get Marcus Smart.

You can't be serious?

About the game, finally Bullock outplayed DFS...man Tatum raped him all night long. Embarassing.

Yeah Bullock played good defense. He showed again why DFS is a bit overrated on defensive end and is not worth top $$$. Momentum completely shifted when THJ started guarding Tatum. I still don't understand why the worst 1v1 defender would guard opposing best guard. Bullock at least held Tatum in check but then he got hot. Kidd really dropped the ball in the 2nd half with his decision/player rotations.

It's younger, 6 million less of contract and a great defender. THJ without Doncic is nothing in serious moments.
You need a compact team if you want be a contender.
Smart + Dragic Vs THJ and Powell is better than win the lottery.
And you open a spot for the future.

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[ejs78]

I really don't know why anyone wouldn't want Dragic here.. Watch the games we have two guys who can dribble.....TWO. Its not even about shot creation so much anymore as a couple times DFS/ Bullock had the ball it was a absolute mess out there

As for as Eric Gordon he too would be a nice attainable piece who can help with scoring and again can handle the ball some. Don't see him replacing Timmy sorry.

Are either of these 2 or both going to make the Mavs title contenders probably not, but unless some unforseen monster trade happens with pieces the Mavs don't have these are the types of players need to target that should help.


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I agree.

Dragic+Gordon would be a huge upgrade for sure.
People only see boxscore and YouTube HL, no surprise they can't judge well about players.
It happens often.
THJ has a lot of night off, having another scorer for replace him in those games would be very helpfull.

Just play the hot hand with THjr and Gordon.

Also it doesn't have to be these guys. There should be plenty of fringe moves out there for them to make. Satoransky and Ross would also be good options.

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[Mavrelous]

Just finished watching the game, what a poorly executed last 4 minutes by both teams, both coaches deserve the blame, Kidd was saved by luck and Luka, and Marcus Smart's foul was oh so dumb, Ime Udoka should've explicitly warned the players against it in the TO.

[Mavrelous]

I love Mark Followell, I think he's a great announcer, but I replayed the last 4 minutes with Celtics announcers (known for being homers), they replayed Luka's buzzer beater from last year and joking about how fat he is, and then he drops it on them.

[Mr B]

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It's younger, 6 million less of contract and a great defender. THJ without Doncic is nothing in serious moments.
You need a compact team if you want be a contender.
Smart + Dragic Vs THJ and Powell is better than win the lottery.
And you open a spot for the future.

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I'm not trading a guy, who on most nights looks like a solid 2nd scorer for Luka, just to replace him with a dumb player who's overrated on defense anyway.
With the emergence of Brunson and (hopefully) KP being able to stay on the court, THJ is more valuable at this point than Smart. If you want defense, you can still go to Frank, Bullock or DFS... Keep in mind, Maxi is missing right now, i'm sure he would have guarded Tatum even better than Bullock did.

In short, if you trade THJ, then you suddenly start missing a huge part of your offense/shooting.

[41Dirk41]

I really don't know why anyone wouldn't want Dragic here.. Watch the games we have two guys who can dribble.....TWO. Its not even about shot creation so much anymore as a couple times DFS/ Bullock had the ball it was a absolute mess out there

As for as Eric Gordon he too would be a nice attainable piece who can help with scoring and again can handle the ball some. Don't see him replacing Timmy sorry.

Are either of these 2 or both going to make the Mavs title contenders probably not, but unless some unforseen monster trade happens with pieces the Mavs don't have these are the types of players need to target that should help.


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I agree.

Dragic+Gordon would be a huge upgrade for sure.
People only see boxscore and YouTube HL, no surprise they can't judge well about players.
It happens often.
THJ has a lot of night off, having another scorer for replace him in those games would be very helpfull.

Just play the hot hand with THjr and Gordon.

Also it doesn't have to be these guys. There should be plenty of fringe moves out there for them to make. Satoransky and Ross would also be good options.

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Exactly.

[Apz]

I really don't know why anyone wouldn't want Dragic here.. Watch the games we have two guys who can dribble.....TWO. Its not even about shot creation so much anymore as a couple times DFS/ Bullock had the ball it was a absolute mess out there

As for as Eric Gordon he too would be a nice attainable piece who can help with scoring and again can handle the ball some. Don't see him replacing Timmy sorry.

Are either of these 2 or both going to make the Mavs title contenders probably not, but unless some unforseen monster trade happens with pieces the Mavs don't have these are the types of players need to target that should help.


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I agree.

Dragic+Gordon would be a huge upgrade for sure.
People only see boxscore and YouTube HL, no surprise they can't judge well about players.
It happens often.
THJ has a lot of night off, having another scorer for replace him in those games would be very helpfull.

Clearly they do, cause they cant have watched the games dragic pkayed this year. That they want to trade him had nothing to do with why he is benched. He was horrible, looked like 50yo old out there. But as said, vet min if bought out i can buy. EG everyone knows soon will be himself again and be his streaky/awful self which will drive u among others here crazy. The times he isnt injured that is.

Hated the curry trade even if I understood what they tried to do, but he would have been so nice to have on the bench atm. Cant complain too much about the bench last night, at some point in the game they showed brunson outscore all of celtics bench.

Is it nola monday? I hope we can turn everything on then, we have had problems to fire on all cylinders vs sucky teams the last years and lost to tanking teams like okc, houston and so on.

[taibumu]

It's younger, 6 million less of contract and a great defender. THJ without Doncic is nothing in serious moments.
You need a compact team if you want be a contender.
Smart + Dragic Vs THJ and Powell is better than win the lottery.
And you open a spot for the future.

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I'm not trading a guy, who on most nights looks like a solid 2nd scorer for Luka, just to replace him with a dumb player who's overrated on defense anyway.
With the emergence of Brunson and (hopefully) KP being able to stay on the court, THJ is more valuable at this point than Smart. If you want defense, you can still go to Frank, Bullock or DFS... Keep in mind, Maxi is missing right now, i'm sure he would have guarded Tatum even better than Bullock did.

In short, if you trade THJ, then you suddenly start missing a huge part of your offense/shooting.

So, your magic plan is do not change anything in the team, just the same roster than in the previous years, where Dallas was out in first round.
I think this team need some starter no named THJ, Dodo and Powell.

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It's younger, 6 million less of contract and a great defender. THJ without Doncic is nothing in serious moments.
You need a compact team if you want be a contender.
Smart + Dragic Vs THJ and Powell is better than win the lottery.
And you open a spot for the future.

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I'm not trading a guy, who on most nights looks like a solid 2nd scorer for Luka, just to replace him with a dumb player who's overrated on defense anyway.
With the emergence of Brunson and (hopefully) KP being able to stay on the court, THJ is more valuable at this point than Smart. If you want defense, you can still go to Frank, Bullock or DFS... Keep in mind, Maxi is missing right now, i'm sure he would have guarded Tatum even better than Bullock did.

In short, if you trade THJ, then you suddenly start missing a huge part of your offense/shooting.

So, your magic plan is do not change anything in the team, just the same roster than in the previous years, where Dallas was out in first round.
I think this team need some starter no named THJ, Dodo and Powell.

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My magic plan is to not trade a player who fits this team perfectly for someone who doesn't. Also, Mavs are 6-3 right now, 3rd place in the western conference. You said it's a great time to trade THJ for Smart, in my opinion that would be a panic move. Mavs don't have to make any panic moves because Brunson is starting to play like we expected from him and KP also just got back. The only players i would trade at any time are Powell and WCS.

[41Dirk41]

Smart can't shoot, in this league shooters have a lot value.

I don't trade THJ for Smart straight.

[ejs78]

No one is pumping up Dragic like he's at an AS level anymore. Its been said many times that he doesn't want to be there and 5 games isn't 55 so the notion he's done is very odd. Him being benched has everything to do with with him not being part of their future. If he indeed ends up Dallas he'll likely be playing like 15 min a game to help relieve Luka and Brunson. Besides him being able to handle the ball you want his leadership. I've said this before as well that Bill Duffy reps both Luka and Goran. Its best to do right by the agent on things like this.



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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

No one is pumping up Dragic like he's at an AS level anymore. Its been said many times that he doesn't want to be there and 5 games isn't 55 so the notion he's done is very odd. Him being benched has everything to do with with him not being part of their future. If he indeed ends up Dallas he'll likely be playing like 15 min a game to help relieve Luka and Brunson. Besides him being able to handle the ball you want his leadership. I've said this before as well that Bill Duffy reps both Luka and Goran. Its best to do right by the agent on things like this.



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In the late off season (before camp) I really did think Dragic would be a good acquisition for the Mavs. Even up to the point of thinking trading assets for him was pretty reasonable.

However, the way things have played out already makes me really completely second guess that. Brunson is even better than I expected. So no one is talking about Dragic to back up Luka's minutes. Now he's .. for when you rest both Luka and Jalen? I've liked the way Kidd is feeling his way into seeing how to use Luka and Jalen .. and for now I think the basic idea of starting and finishing with both and having 12-15 minutes for each off the floor with the other on seems pretty good.

Also .. and this will not be a surprise to assiduous readers of my posts ... the Mavs now have Frank. And I'd much prefer 15 minutes of Frank to 15 minutes of Goran, especially as filling in with the other of Luka and Jalen for whoever is off court. If you have 15 minutes of Goran you get a shed-load of Frank CD-DNPs and that would be bad imo, particularly from the D pov.

All that said, I still believe Goran can be a good player somewhere in the league this year, although not on Toronto, and he's a player I've been positive about over a longish term. (Hell, I've followed his workout videos for idk ~8? years ) Nevertheless, I don't think the Mavs should trade any player on the roster for him (maaaaaayyyybbbeeeee Sterling Brown?) and I don't think he's a season long upside for the Mavs.

The main counter-argument I see is in terms of play-off experience. And that is something worth considering. Provided that he can buy in to that as being waaayyyy down the roster.