The Tomjas Thread

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah let's act like you are not Aussie and your emotions are not making you defend Simmons of course...

[Arsenal]

Not convinced we need to target a "lead guard" in trade anymore. Our backcourt rotation is extremely solid as is. I don't know that Fox is a major upgrade over Maxey, or what Maxey will become by the end of this season.

May be best to target a wing, as we could use some more size in the lineup.

[Bum Adebayo]

Not convinced we need to target a "lead guard" in trade anymore. Our backcourt rotation is extremely solid as is. I don't know that Fox is a major upgrade over Maxey, or what Maxey will become by the end of this season.

May be best to target a wing, as we could use some more size in the lineup.

If playoffs were not a thing I would agree.

[Stanford]

Morey needs to DO HIS JOB and acquire some quality depth pieces so we don't lose these games where we're undermanned.

[kuclas]

Morey needs to DO HIS JOB and acquire some quality depth pieces so we don't lose these games where we're undermanned.

How is being underman going to help in closing stages of playoff games with more depth?

We couldn’t advance to ecf losing 3 home playoff games last season. It wasn’t due to depth. It was due to no secondary scoring down the stretch. Harris dribbling bricking shot in down by 1 in game 5 in final 60 seconds.

Or embiid getting ball stripped down 4 in final 60 seconds in game 7.

We need someone more reliable.

That’s Morey mindset. Depth doesn’t help in playoffs.

[Tomjas]

Yeah let's act like you are not Aussie and your emotions are not making you defend Simmons of course...

Kindly point out where I have defended Simmons

[DCasey91]

Morey needs to DO HIS JOB and acquire some quality depth pieces so we don't lose these games where we're undermanned.

I actually think our depth is fine considering Ben, Harris, Green, Thybulle, Joe are all out atm.

I think we can be happy with Morey’s acquisitions on the quality of depth. Our bench has literally been on fire from the beginning. Look I thought yesterday was competitive loss coming up but KORKGOD went nuts lol.

We’ll still hover at the 50+ win total, and Embiid looks a lot better last game after a weird start. His load isn’t all that large as years gone by. Hopefully it’s under 30mins a game for the year. Play about 50+ and be good to go for the playoffs.

It’s the top shelf stuff that’s a wait and see, that’s where he gets paid the big bucks.

I’m wouldn’t be unhappy at all if the most realistic scenario in the end is not acquiring a great second option and more quality pieces for the future to trade again when the best option becomes available.

Ive tempered my expectations awhile ago. It was 2nd rnd/ECF last year (had that pencilled down as the mark) which is where we were but Doc crapped the bed on the high end. Can see that again this year.

For now the team is looking great and is actually enjoyable to watch (still bipolar asf and frustrating but at least it’s fun). Like that professional Beli/Ilya gunner squad years ago.

[DCasey91]

Yeah let's act like you are not Aussie and your emotions are not making you defend Simmons of course...

Kindly point out where I have defended Simmons

Basically every comment you’ve made for the past 6 months lol

[Tomjas]

Yeah let's act like you are not Aussie and your emotions are not making you defend Simmons of course...

Kindly point out where I have defended Simmons

Basically every comment you’ve made for the past 6 months lol

Wrong

I haven’t defended his actions once

Being critical of the Sixers is not the same as defending Ben

[mjkvol]

Would everyone please stop feeding the troll.

[Tomjas]

Would everyone please stop feeding the troll.

The “troll” who has correctly predicted this scenario

Some of you guys have trouble dealing with the truth

[DCasey91]

(Semi long post from research a week ago):

The 3ball revolution happened in 94-95 not decades later. (9.9 to 15.3 3PA league average is the biggest jump in NBA history on record).

We really are the 94/95 Hakeem team or the Heat 2020 team with higher upside.

Check this out:

- Hakeem/Drexler led Rockets were number 1 that year in 3PA attempts (21.4 to 15.3 which is just short of the 2013-2014 league average of 21.5 nearly a decade later!) To put into it context let’s say the league average is something like 40 (39.8) right now they would be bombing about 55-56 a game lol. Rockets were really as the name intended. Send the rockets up in the air and whatever happens happens.

- 18th league wide in FGA at 80.2 (that’s a very noticeable gap we are talking about here)

- 3P% 13th 36.8% league av 35.9% (Above average on extreme volume for that era).

- Team ppg 103.5 (8th) league average (101.4) FG 48% (6th)

Now let’s look at the archetypes for the build around with league adjustments:

3PAR was .188 now it’s harder today to get a big differential on 3PAR relative to the league but it’s just to paint a picture.

3PAR Overall (+142)

Guards:
Maxwell 3PA 6.9 (32.4%) 3PAR .568! +302
Drexler 3PA 4.8 (35.7%) 3PAR .319 +170
Smith 3PA 4.1 (42.9%) 3PAR .558 +297

Bench Guards:
Elie 3PA 2.5 (39.8%) 3PAR .413 +220
Cassell 3PA 2.3 (33%) 3PAR .322 +171

Non Guards:
Horry 3PA 3.5 (37.9%) 3PAR .423 +225

Those players account for 1559/1757 total bomb attempts that year (88.7%). Did I mention they were revolutionary?

Pareto principle anyone?

I have a gut feeling the Sixers FO has decided what the blueprint is to max out Embiid which is correct imo as he’s very high usage (both have 30+% usage markers) for a big and not a great or ATG playmaker from the post just like Hakeem (whose my fav but no bias here). History repeats itself.

Conclusion Harris and Ben are awful fits and should be gone immediately.

(Gallo, Olynyk, Crowder) we have Niang but essentially one more gives us that extra stretch 3/4 bomber at all times on the court. This is definitely a 2020 Heat/Rockets 94/95 hybrid.

Guards, wings and switch 3/4’s that bomb all day. Maybe Fox/Murray isn’t the answer at all here. Maybe we are looking in the wrong direction all this time.

I knew the Italian rooster would be wild here for us.
Niang > Harris/Ben unit wise.

Now I normally pay no mind to 3ball spam but as Embiid is the build around and in actuality this is the best course of action to follow to max out.

Since we have Sam Cassell here he probably would have said, Doc, Morey goddamn it just build it like us and we’ll win the thing lol.

[ProcessDoctor]

Read on Twitter

Don't know who he is, but let's goooooo. Maybe Fox can help our defense out.

Fox(32)/Maxey(16)
Curry(24)/Korkmaz(24)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Harris(32)/Niang(16)
Embiid(30)/Drummond(18)

It's real close.

[Tomjas]

Read on Twitter

Don't know who he is, but let's goooooo. Maybe Fox can help our defense out.

Fox(32)/Maxey(16)
Curry(24)/Korkmaz(24)
Green(24)/Thybulle(24)
Harris(32)/Niang(16)
Embiid(30)/Drummond(18)

It's real close.

If defense is part of the requirement then Fox is not the guy

[DCasey91]

No on Fox, can’t play defense not a great shooter, no. See my post above. The blueprint is laid flat out and easy to process. Murray is better than Fox anyway inserted in this team.

Looking for a Drexler, big sized guard or wing that plays defense, switchable and can hit shots.

Besides we are slowing the pace down for tempo control which is smart.

Remember Embiid doesn’t work with Ben/Harris in the end. Imagine a way worse skinny Butler with zero defense? No. Why would a zoom zoom fast player work with Embiid who thrives in transition.

We literally had one to gas out Embiid lol. Wall is a big no too.

We have Maxey who essentially does what Fox does for us anyway. And he’s showing a fukton on distribution in the halfcourt past couple of games when the game is slowed down.

White, Simons, Pritchard,
Brown, Hunter, Vassell,
Gallo, Olynyk, Crowder

These types are what we need. You start at Embiid and every player in mind has to fall under that pretense.

[Skates]

Not convinced we need to target a "lead guard" in trade anymore. Our backcourt rotation is extremely solid as is. I don't know that Fox is a major upgrade over Maxey, or what Maxey will become by the end of this season.

May be best to target a wing, as we could use some more size in the lineup.

I think we need both. A Danny Green upgrade with more size and youth and an ability to create at least some at SF and a true lead guard that can be complimented by Maxey, Shake, et al, for when games need that kind of true point play. Using Simmons and picks/Springer/Green to accomplish both of those. Not necessarily an All-Star at either position, but one borderline star and one upgrade at the other position and the team would be really nicely set and deep.

My favorite package is something that sends out the pieces noted above and brings back Tyrese Haliburton and someone like Jerami Grant to play those spots, Simmons to one place, other players from Sacto (Hield/Bagley) to the third team or something of that nature. None of it possible till the December 14 date comes and Green is tradable, but something like that would really lock us up tight all around without destroying what is already there.

[DCasey91]

Essentially Maxey or Curry has to start in the playoffs, so Fox doesn’t fit with either or.

Maxey becomes 6th man Murray/Curry >>> Fox/Curry easily. Maxey + Fox is lol worthy on the overlap we’d get eaten and our returns would be doo doo.

This is the way:
Murray
Curry
Brown
Niang or Gallo
Embiid

Perfect.

Or

Maxey
Brown
Green
Gallo
Embiid

We have to build it the right way with moving parts that fit together.

I’d take Halliburton before Fox too. He works with Maxey/Curry.

[Mik317]

man keeps talking about emotions and not defending Ben.

when the only party that "wins" w/ a trade asap is...Ben.

Morey def flew too close to the sun during the draft. IMO that was the best time to get a deal.....but we also don't know what was truly on the table or not. However for the betterment of the team AT THIS VERY MOMENT just making a trade doesn't help them much. Ben isn't imploding the locker room as feared....and if all we can get back right now is more role players...then that's not worth it as our current role players are thriving. That could change in a month...or hell a week. But RIGHT NOW? There is no rush.

so the only person who is looking at this emotionally isn't most Sixers fans (yes there are some who wish to "punish" Ben but they don't speak for the logical side of things).

TlDR: There is no benefit for the team to trade Ben for scraps right now. Suck it.

[ProcessDoctor]

What would a Murray-Simmons trade even look like? Simmons/Milton for Murray/McBuckets/Vassell/two 1sts?


Murray/Maxey/Joe
Curry/Korkmaz/McDermott
Green/Thybulle/Vassell
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey


We don't really have the roster space for consolidation trades from other teams.

[mjkvol]

man keeps talking about emotions and not defending Ben.

when the only party that "wins" w/ a trade asap is...Ben.

Morey def flew too close to the sun during the draft. IMO that was the best time to get a deal.....but we also don't know what was truly on the table or not. However for the betterment of the team AT THIS VERY MOMENT just making a trade doesn't help them much. Ben isn't imploding the locker room as feared....and if all we can get back right now is more role players...then that's not worth it as our current role players are thriving. That could change in a month...or hell a week. But RIGHT NOW? There is no rush.

so the only person who is looking at this emotionally isn't most Sixers fans (yes there are some who wish to "punish" Ben but they don't speak for the logical side of things).

TlDR: There is no benefit for the team to trade Ben for scraps right now. Suck it.

Exactly. I'll add to that the worst possible thing that could happen right now IMO is bringing the miscreant back into this locker room. I'll take my chances with what Morey can get done with Simmons away from the team for whatever reason Klutch can fabricate, but we've got a nice thing going at the moment that a pouting ingrate can only do damage to.