Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[Madhouse]

Scottie actually has shown to be willing to take catch and shoot jumpers in the midrange. The problem is that he hardly gets those passes. Most of the passes he gets are not in scoring position

Scottie has attempted just 17 catch and shoot jumpers so far. Boucher is averaging more C&S jumpers in 1/3 of the minutes and Svi is averaging the same amount of C&S jumpers as Barnes in basically half as many minutes.

Considering more than half of Scottie's 13.8 FGA come from a combination of transition (3.3), putbacks (2.0) and isolation (1.8), it's no surprise most of his FGM have been unassisted. He is also taking just 1.1 C&S midrange jumpers in 35 MPG and has attempted only 10 total threes. Scottie's and our style as a team just isn't very conducive to racking up assists.

Why are we comparing Scottie to Boucher? We all know Boucher is a chucker. Ofc he’s gonna attempt more in less minutes. He’s not a very smart player

41% TS. He sucks. Hopefully he gets traded.

[720]

Barnes putting up impressive numbers with nothing being run for him. If he keeps this up ROY no doubt.

[KL78192020]

Barnes will continue to be the 3/4th option behind OG/FVV/Siakam and at times GTJ. He needs more PT with the second unit, when Svi/Precious or Birch/Delano are in.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Mobley getting set up nice by his team barely creating much. everything ez pz Scotty got to go out there and make it happen himself.

[EFF3KT]

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Go to 3:25 and hear KD praise Scottie's high IQ, length, and Passion for the game.
Says he has a fire inside him that is greater than most of the league.
Says he's a rare find, especially for a 20yo. (corrected as he said 19) and makes winning basketball plays.

Anyone have Nurse's number so they can text him this video?

[Madhouse]

Mobley getting set up nice by his team barely creating much. everything ez pz Scotty got to go out there and make it happen himself.

so not only doesn't he get help making buckets, his usage is also plummeting with Siakam back. The Raptors are making it difficult for him. A trade incoming I fear if it doesn't change.

[HumbleRen]

Barnes putting up impressive numbers with nothing being run for him. If he keeps this up ROY no doubt.

I think Mobley will keep getting better with even more touches while Barnes decreases due to Siakam being in the line up now.

His assists should go up though.

[pingpongrac]

Scottie actually has shown to be willing to take catch and shoot jumpers in the midrange. The problem is that he hardly gets those passes. Most of the passes he gets are not in scoring position

Scottie has attempted just 17 catch and shoot jumpers so far. Boucher is averaging more C&S jumpers in 1/3 of the minutes and Svi is averaging the same amount of C&S jumpers as Barnes in basically half as many minutes.

Considering more than half of Scottie's 13.8 FGA come from a combination of transition (3.3), putbacks (2.0) and isolation (1.8), it's no surprise most of his FGM have been unassisted. He is also taking just 1.1 C&S midrange jumpers in 35 MPG and has attempted only 10 total threes. Scottie's and our style as a team just isn't very conducive to racking up assists.

Well I mean the entire Raptors team outside Barnes attempt a whopping .8 midrange Catch and Shoot shots a game.

It should be noted though all of OG, Trent and FVV are making 42%+ on catch and shoot 3's, it's their pullups that are complete ass.

OG's doing okay for less than 10 at 48%, but Trent, FVV and Precious are shooting 43% or under. Which makes Barnes 60% for less than 10 even more impressive.

Bigger problem I think is no one is really shooting well from FVV's passes except Birch from 2 point and Svi from 3point. (a combined 1.7 shots a game)

I think Barnes can improve his passing for 3 point shots by the looks of it, but it's also worth noting his worst shooting comes from FVV's passes at the 2point range. Something probably related to FVV's size.

And while it's not many Barnes is still shooting 60% on C&S 2's. (In fact he's 9th in the league in C&S 2's per game)

Boucher for the record has more because of C&S 3's, and he's shooting 22% from there. So I mean.......ok.

I think you're missing my point. It's not just the C&S jumpers. Barnes is not a threat to shoot yet and teams are starting to play off him a bit more frequently. OG, GTJ and FVV especially are all major threats to shoot off the dribble and in C&S scenarios. Similarly, Svi and Boucher are always ready to fire away when they're open behind the three-point line.

When we have 3 shooters (some combination of OG/GTJ/FVV/Svi) and another willing shooter (Boucher/Siakam) on the floor with Barnes, we are at our best. The problem is Barnes has played 166 of his 313 minutes with Achiuwa (105.7 ORTG and 51.7 TS%) and 110 more minutes with Birch (106.3 ORTG and 50.6 TS%). That's on the coaching staff for putting the team (and Barnes) in a more difficult situation offensively. It has very little to do with FVV "looking off Barnes". With Siakam back, I anticipate we will see a lot more small ball lineups where Barnes is surrounded by shooters and his assist numbers in particular will skyrocket.

[AbC?]

You guys are so predictable and lame with your criticisms lol.

Now Nurse is the guy responsible for Barnes not getting enough touches or shots up. Or that we're not running enough plays for him.

The same Nurse who said after Barnes took 17 shots that it wasn't enough and he should be taking more.

Even after tonight's game unprompted he said Barnes should have been more aggressive looking for his shot:

It's clear from his pre-draft scouting and from comments from Nurse that they've had to coax him into being more aggressive looking for his own shots. He's been a pass-first team guy his entire life. He's already taken more shots in an NBA game than he's ever had in college or HS. The fact that our coaching staff has already put him in a position to be right up there among the rookie leaders in points and shot attempts should be encouraging. 2 games with <10 shot attempts doesn't negate that in any way. It's clear that his development is a huge priority for the entire organization, they're not stupid.

It's possible for Barnes not to have a great game without it being the fault of everyone else around him.

[God Squad]

Go watch his tape.

Analytics don't tell the story.

He's being hidden away and protected without having any key responsibilities.

Anatlytics dont tell the whole story, but they reinforce what the eye test shows. Nothing about Mobley say's he doesn't have "notable impact" look at what he's done with these loser cavs in such a short time. Also for fun

Player A: 19 yrs old, 13.5 pts, 8.2 reb, 1.0 ast, 1.8 blk, 1.2 stl, 52 FG%
Player B: 19 yrs old, 10.4 pts, 6.3 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.6 blk, 1.1 stl, 49 FG%
Player C: 20 yrs old, 13.8 pts, 8.6 reb, 2.2 ast, 2.0 blk, 1.2 stl, 50 FG%

Who do you like more?

Spoiler:

Player A: Anthony Davis during his rookie season in 2012-13
Player B: Kevin Garnett during his rookie season in 1995-96
Player C: Evan Mobley during his rookie season right now

You're embarrassing yourself. Badly.

Go watch some footage. Using stats from 3 different era's to try and prove a point lol.

I love **** like this. Go watch their rookie footage and compare it to Mobley. If you can't see the difference, I don;'t know what to tell you.

*Yawn*. Awful and terrible take. Literally laughable.

[God Squad]

Barnes putting up impressive numbers with nothing being run for him. If he keeps this up ROY no doubt.

Unless Barnes and Siakam manage to co-exist this award is Mobleys to lose. He's that good already.

Vs New York
Mobley 11-15 shooting 26 pts +26 with 9 reb, 5 assist , 1 blk, 1 stl.

[SharoneWright]

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[God Squad]

It's also harder to be the best defender in the league if you're not going to be guarding the best players all game long who mostly spend their time on the perimeter.

That's why Mobley spent more time guarding Robinson and Noel today and Barnes spent almost a third of his minutes guarding Durant and Harden.

Go see the list of who Mobley has spent the majority of his time guarding. (He has had a few tough assignments and great performance including Bridges, AD, Collins).

Then go see who Barnes has...Mobley, Tatum, Doncic, Harden, Durant, Demar, Beal, Sabots, Kuzma.

Now if Mobley becomes an elite perimeter defender, different story but I don't see it. I value elite on ball defence, perimeter excellence and high minute defensive intensity/consistency above post D, help D, counting stats and general interior dominance. I don't, again, want to take anything away from Mobley he's incredible. But same reason why I don't think Gobert will ever help his team win a title.

Bam I feel is definitely an outlier here. If Mobley follows that path, I'll gladly shut my mouth.

But Mobley is being put in a great position by the staff to do his thing and impact the game tremendously without having to spend most of his time no the most challenging assignments. That matters, at least to me.

Mobley has a way tougher task on defence. He’s anchoring a team with his defence as a rookie. Thats almost unheard of.

Interior defence will always be more important than perimeter defence.

Anchoring a team. Sure, but how do you quantify that? How much credit does Allen get doing most of the dirty work rebounding the ball, crashing the offensive glass, banging inside. Is it cause of his blocks? Highlights? Overall performance?

I'm not saying you're wrong man. I'm just trying to see what the data shows.

Do we need a defensive anchor when we have a highly advanced and nuanced defensive system?

Does Suggs not get the credit for being one of the best defenders in the class? How about Mitchell?

Interior defence more important? I mean, I don't think its right to choose one or the other cause it depends on the opponent. Overall team defence matters more but the only DPOYs that have actually won titles in the last decade are Giannis, Kawhi, and Dray. Marc won one 6-7 years after his DPOY. Chandler won one the year after he won a title with DAL.

When was the last time a team with the best interior defender won the championship?

You make valid points. I'd also agree Mobley has it much easier being paired with Allen due to Jarret being a big, rebounding machine. The Raptors could very well use a defensive anchor, but a specific type (Mobley). They have to be able to switch onto and hold their own against guard and wings. Both those things so far Mobley has done very well. Getting a big who can switch 1-5 while locking down the paint is far more valuable that a pg who can only cover 1-2. So why Suggs and Mitchell are great defenders, they're not nearly as versatile as Mobley/Barnes.

In terms of the bolded. Why not both?

[God Squad]

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I thought the Raptors as a whole looked real good the first half. It was after halftime where we just came out and shat the bed. Barnes was playing some solid defense though. His go-go gadget arms deflect so many passes its amazing to watch at times.

[DG88]

Overall Scottie had a stat sheet stuffing game. I did feel like he was looking for people to cut so he could pass them the ball to score. That's who he is and the coaching staff want him to be aggressive with the ball and attack and learn. It's going to take time for him to have that go to scoring mindset. Winning ROY is secondary imo than developing traits he'll need moving forward.

[Clutch0z24]

Barnes might not ever be a player that is going to carry us to wins over teams like the Nets who are favored to be in the Finals this year especially in his rookie year by being a shot creator. Thats just not his game yet can he develop that? who knows....How Barnes will take over games atm is energy, hustle, rim attacking plays like he did against the Celtics....

So yeah people need to relax on him not shooting alot cause hes never been a type of player to force his offense or try to get his on iso type basketball.

Needs time to develop and hes got many years to do that

[OakleyDokely]

34.8 minutes, 16.6 points, 8.7 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.7 blocks, 52.4 FG%, 20.0 3pt%, 70.8 FT, 554 TS

If you gave me those stats at the beginning of the year, I would've told you that those would be his 3rd year numbers. He's doing that in his rookie year. He's way ahead of schedule.

This season should about his growth. Winning ROY would be nice, but it's not everything. I'd rather have him create more for himself even it means more misses. I prefer that to just taking open dunks and 3s that others have created for him. But that doesn't mean he should be force fed touches. He's not ready for a huge role quite yet.

[JShuttlesworth]

Overall Scottie had a stat sheet stuffing game. I did feel like he was looking for people to cut so he could pass them the ball to score. That's who he is and the coaching staff want him to be aggressive with the ball and attack and learn. It's going to take time for him to have that go to scoring mindset. Winning ROY is secondary imo than developing traits he'll need moving forward.

Only problem was people weren't cutting last night. That's when Scottie needs to be a little bit more assertive at getting his own bucket.

He also had some tough defensive assignments, and got into foul trouble last night. When you're working that hard on the defensive side of the ball, it' hard to maintain energy on offense, that's when you 'rest'.

[Prokorov]

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Go to 3:25 and hear KD praise Scottie's high IQ, length, and Passion for the game.
Says he has a fire inside him that is greater than most of the league.
Says he's a rare find, especially for a 20yo. (corrected as he said 19) and makes winning basketball plays.

Anyone have Nurse's number so they can text him this video?

Net fan here... im a bit biased since i loved Barnes pre-draft but its so ESPN for Barnes not to get hype because he wasnt #1 overall despite being the better player then Cade or anyone else from this draft. Dude is going to be a bonafide stud by year 2.5 or sooner. It jumps out big time on the eye test.

[DG88]

Overall Scottie had a stat sheet stuffing game. I did feel like he was looking for people to cut so he could pass them the ball to score. That's who he is and the coaching staff want him to be aggressive with the ball and attack and learn. It's going to take time for him to have that go to scoring mindset. Winning ROY is secondary imo than developing traits he'll need moving forward.

Only problem was people weren't cutting last night. That's when Scottie needs to be a little bit more assertive at getting his own bucket.

He also had some tough defensive assignments, and got into foul trouble last night. When you're working that hard on the defensive side of the ball, it' hard to maintain energy on offense, that's when you 'rest'.

Those are things he's going to learn and the more time he's on the court he'll figure it out. It's a balance that he's going to understand he's a smart player. Just spoon feeding him won't accomplish the bigger picture.