2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

[NRSV]

Mobley shouldn’t put on a ton of weight until he gets less springy. That would be a bad decision in the near term IMO.

[10giz]

Mobley shouldn’t put on a ton of weight until he gets less springy. That would be a bad decision in the near term IMO.

100% agreed.

He also doesn't have the wide shoulders/hips to be able to take on that extra weight effectively.

If they can allow him to just develop strength naturally at this body type while working on his explosiveness and flexibility, he will definitely destroy ****.

[LoveMyRaps]

Mobley: 14.9 ppg / 8.0 rpg / 2.5 apg / 1.7 topg / 1.0 spg / 1.3 bpg / 57.6% TS / 52/24/80 shooting / +0.8

Barnes: 16.6 ppg / 8.7 rpg / 2.4 apg / 2.1 topg / 1.1 spg / 0.7 bpg / 55.4% TS / 52/20/71 shooting / +0.8

Weirdly similar statlines.

Both miles ahead the rest of the pack.

Both superstars in the making.

The more I see of Green, the more I begin to think he'll only end up as a one dimensional scorer. Devin Booker level of player. Not a superstar but an all-star that can put up high scoring games on a non-playoff team.

[Chuck Everett]

I agree, Mobley filling out should be natural. He is better as a wiry strength guy like KG, then some buff hoss.

[DroseReturnChi]

Mobley: 14.9 ppg / 8.0 rpg / 2.5 apg / 1.7 topg / 1.0 spg / 1.3 bpg / 57.6% TS / 52/24/80 shooting / +0.8

Barnes: 16.6 ppg / 8.7 rpg / 2.4 apg / 2.1 topg / 1.1 spg / 0.7 bpg / 55.4% TS / 52/20/71 shooting / +0.8

Weirdly similar statlines.

thats only if you look at statline. watch their games its not even close imo and i was higher on barnes than mobley due to his triple double threat like dray green. mobley seems to be developing outside shot much quicker too hes not raw at all but he has no ceiling. mobleys median outcome it pretty much KG and chet is the next super prospect it will be interesting to compare them.

right now cavs are a bottom 5 team so mobley will barely make them to playoffs but I would give up picks to get 3 demar derozan level players next yr. rubio, mobley and 3 all stars is a title contender. mobley is literally luka doncic level rookie impact wise you cant tank with this guy he is literally a number 1 option on a championship team. i would all in using mobleys cheap rookie contract before he gets supermaxed with all nba.

[Capn'O]

Gotta see the reply of this NYK game looks like a marquee performance for Mobley.

Anywhere to watch game replays other than league pass?

He killed us tonight. I'm telling you, this kid is bananas.

Watch on YouTube

[Capn'O]

I said in the draft forum that Mobley was who I would have picked number 1 from watching all those guys play, but the NBA has such a stylistic issue that sometimes you overthink the selections. Good for Cleveland though. This guy is the franchise. You build around him first, before you think about anyone else.

I think he even surprised them, which is why they went out and got Lauri. They were figuring he'd take a minute to settle and now they're in a bit of a pickle. Not a bad problem to have though.


As for the comp - in terms of what he can do, Davis is correct but his approach is Duncan through and through. I felt almost... like if somebody's gonna whoop our butts I'm glad it was him.

[zshawn10]

I wonder if Houston regrets taking Green over Mobley. One seems like a high volume scorer but doesn’t bring much else to the table (like a Jordan Clarkson or Bradley Beal type) and struggles defensively while the other seems like a generational type

No because then you have wood and Senguen and then also Mobley. That would be stupid. I would like to see a coach actually run an offense or plays for Green but Silas for whatever reason doesn’t want to

[Bruin]

I wonder if Houston regrets taking Green over Mobley. One seems like a high volume scorer but doesn’t bring much else to the table (like a Jordan Clarkson or Bradley Beal type) and struggles defensively while the other seems like a generational type

No because then you have wood and Senguen and then also Mobley. That would be stupid. I would like to see a coach actually run an offense or plays for Green but Silas for whatever reason doesn’t want to

Lol what. Not picking Mobley cause you have Christian Wood…THAT would be stupid

You don’t pass on a player cause you have a player who plays the same position, especially a guy of Christian Woods caliber. He’s good, but certainly not the type of player that you decide to pass on a great talent for

That’s just dumb

[Capn'O]

I wonder if Houston regrets taking Green over Mobley. One seems like a high volume scorer but doesn’t bring much else to the table (like a Jordan Clarkson or Bradley Beal type) and struggles defensively while the other seems like a generational type

No because then you have wood and Senguen and then also Mobley. That would be stupid. I would like to see a coach actually run an offense or plays for Green but Silas for whatever reason doesn’t want to

Lol what. Not picking Mobley cause you have Christian Wood…THAT would be stupid

You don’t pass on a player cause you have a player who plays the same position, especially a guy of Christian Woods caliber. He’s good, but certainly not the type of player that you decide to pass on a great talent for

That’s just dumb

I was just about to make a "with all due respect" post.

Mobley is a guy where you say "ok, now we need a team that fits around him." Not the other way around.

[NRSV]

I’m not talking **** here, but guys like Sengun profile as inconsequential when placed next to generational players. You don’t let guys like Wood and Sengun force fit.

One thing we know, superstars win rings. Those guys aren’t that and don’t profile to be.

[Bruin]

Mobley: 14.9 ppg / 8.0 rpg / 2.5 apg / 1.7 topg / 1.0 spg / 1.3 bpg / 57.6% TS / 52/24/80 shooting / +0.8

Barnes: 16.6 ppg / 8.7 rpg / 2.4 apg / 2.1 topg / 1.1 spg / 0.7 bpg / 55.4% TS / 52/20/71 shooting / +0.8

Weirdly similar statlines.

thats only if you look at statline. watch their games its not even close imo and i was higher on barnes than mobley due to his triple double threat like dray green. mobley seems to be developing outside shot much quicker too hes not raw at all but he has no ceiling. mobleys median outcome it pretty much KG and chet is the next super prospect it will be interesting to compare them.

right now cavs are a bottom 5 team so mobley will barely make them to playoffs but I would give up picks to get 3 demar derozan level players next yr. rubio, mobley and 3 all stars is a title contender. mobley is literally luka doncic level rookie impact wise you cant tank with this guy he is literally a number 1 option on a championship team. i would all in using mobleys cheap rookie contract before he gets supermaxed with all nba.

Mobleys shot was already more developed coming into the league than Barnes so I would definitely not say his shot has been developing quicker. Scotties shot had to be completely fixed. His form is completely different from when he was in college

Mobley shot 30% in college and hasn’t really had to change his form. Obviously he’s developing, but the shot development has been a much bigger jump for Scottie so far

[JonFromVA]

It's the same reason CLE isn't making Mobley take 20+ shots even though he could easily handle it.

He's doing so much in so many other areas while playing huge minutes as a 20 year old kid.

Young players can be broken mentally if mismanaged. There is no rush to get these guys to that level. You want to build their comfort, confidence and consistency slowly to make sure they're always inn high morale and always hungry for a little bit more.

lol, I read through the raptors game thread vs the Cavs and you guys couldn't stop complaining about Fred dominating the ball and not even looking for Scottie.

A player should only be ignored on offense when the PG thinks that player can't even be trusted to touch the ball.

Is the finger worse than we think? Or are there ego problems in Toronto? If Scottie is what you guys keep telling us it has to be something like that.

I keep trying to convince Cavs fans that we don't want our PGs to try to dominate unless they're on a roll or there's no other option left. The Cavs have been doing a good job sharing the ball and finding the hot hand - hopefully they're noticing. Garland completely deferred to Rubio today and there was nothing wrong with that.

I wouldn't bother taking the majority opinion in there as anything. Many though Masai was a joke after taking Barnes. Most thought Norm for Trent was a pathetic loss of a trade. That board is hands down the most reactionary of all rand frankly, I question how many have even been watching more than 5-8 years.

This isn't a team where people do whatever they want. Nurse runs the ship. Players respect his gameplan. Nurse has Masai's respect which the players know. There is a culture and process.

Look no further than what Trent has done this year. The coaching staff challenged him. He responded. That's buying into your coaching staff.

No rookie gets that offensive role here. Takes time. What Barnes has already gotten/done is more than any rookie has in years in TO.

Gotta remember this isn't a young growing team. There is an established chain of command. Our top 3 players were a part of a title team here not 3 years ago. Whether we like it or not that's how its been. Now eventually those guys do get the opportunities. Norm great example.

But with entrenched performers and team leaders like Fred, Siakam and OG there. Nurse won't just had Barnes a key offensive role yet. Maybe later in the year, but not now.

Just my two cents. I try not to go against Nurse usually tbh. He's incredibly respected by some of the best players in the league. He's earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.

Just gotta be patient and let things breathe.

This isn't what a smart coach or a smart PG does when a teammate is clearly ready to contribute.

Rookie Boobie Gibson (a second round pick) got us to the NBA finals because LeBron didn't hesitate to get him the ball when Detroit sold out their defense to stop him.

Let's face some facts ... Lowry, Gasol, and Leonard are gone, and Siakam fell off a cliff. The Raptors just earned the #4 pick. You've got a new bunch finding their way and learning how to win together.

[JonFromVA]

I said in the draft forum that Mobley was who I would have picked number 1 from watching all those guys play, but the NBA has such a stylistic issue that sometimes you overthink the selections. Good for Cleveland though. This guy is the franchise. You build around him first, before you think about anyone else.

I think he even surprised them, which is why they went out and got Lauri. They were figuring he'd take a minute to settle and now they're in a bit of a pickle. Not a bad problem to have though.

As for the comp - in terms of what he can do, Davis is correct but his approach is Duncan through and through. I felt almost... like if somebody's gonna whoop our butts I'm glad it was him.

Markkenen added floor spacing, he was not brought in to start ahead of Evan.

[10giz]

lol, I read through the raptors game thread vs the Cavs and you guys couldn't stop complaining about Fred dominating the ball and not even looking for Scottie.

A player should only be ignored on offense when the PG thinks that player can't even be trusted to touch the ball.

Is the finger worse than we think? Or are there ego problems in Toronto? If Scottie is what you guys keep telling us it has to be something like that.

I keep trying to convince Cavs fans that we don't want our PGs to try to dominate unless they're on a roll or there's no other option left. The Cavs have been doing a good job sharing the ball and finding the hot hand - hopefully they're noticing. Garland completely deferred to Rubio today and there was nothing wrong with that.

I wouldn't bother taking the majority opinion in there as anything. Many though Masai was a joke after taking Barnes. Most thought Norm for Trent was a pathetic loss of a trade. That board is hands down the most reactionary of all rand frankly, I question how many have even been watching more than 5-8 years.

This isn't a team where people do whatever they want. Nurse runs the ship. Players respect his gameplan. Nurse has Masai's respect which the players know. There is a culture and process.

Look no further than what Trent has done this year. The coaching staff challenged him. He responded. That's buying into your coaching staff.

No rookie gets that offensive role here. Takes time. What Barnes has already gotten/done is more than any rookie has in years in TO.

Gotta remember this isn't a young growing team. There is an established chain of command. Our top 3 players were a part of a title team here not 3 years ago. Whether we like it or not that's how its been. Now eventually those guys do get the opportunities. Norm great example.

But with entrenched performers and team leaders like Fred, Siakam and OG there. Nurse won't just had Barnes a key offensive role yet. Maybe later in the year, but not now.

Just my two cents. I try not to go against Nurse usually tbh. He's incredibly respected by some of the best players in the league. He's earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.

Just gotta be patient and let things breathe.

This isn't what a smart coach or a smart PG does when a teammate is clearly ready to contribute.

Rookie Boobie Gibson (a second round pick) got us to the NBA finals because LeBron didn't hesitate to get him the ball when Detroit sold out their defense to stop him.

Let's face some facts ... Lowry, Gasol, and Leonard are gone, and Siakam fell off a cliff. The Raptors just earned the #4 pick. You've got a new bunch finding their way and learning how to win together.

Hey man, I'm not disagreeing with you. At all.

That being said, we're 10 games in. I try not to make determinations this early.

I am on your side I think Barnes should absolutely be getting more on O, especially when we're stagnating he has already shown he can score on each level.

Nurse is a very democratic coach. Always takes his assistants and players opinions into consideration. Proven to think progressively, not be scared to try anything, and most of all, not someone who follows an archaic mindset.

He's consistently made the most and brought the best out of players he's had and might be off to the best beginning of a coaching career in NBA history. He's regarded by many in the media as one of the best as well as arguably the most innovative coach (especially defensively).

I would not rush to question his decisions based on such a small sample size.

Again, I agree with you and most Raptors fans do too.

[The Moose]

i have a feeling its going to be painful to watch Cavs games for a while lmao

[God Squad]

i have a feeling itYus going to be painful to watch Cavs games for a while lmao

For Detroit and Houston 100%.

[Mr Loggins]

No because then you have wood and Senguen and then also Mobley. That would be stupid. I would like to see a coach actually run an offense or plays for Green but Silas for whatever reason doesn’t want to

Lol what. Not picking Mobley cause you have Christian Wood…THAT would be stupid

You don’t pass on a player cause you have a player who plays the same position, especially a guy of Christian Woods caliber. He’s good, but certainly not the type of player that you decide to pass on a great talent for

That’s just dumb

I was just about to make a "with all due respect" post.

Mobley is a guy where you say "ok, now we need a team that fits around him." Not the other way around.

yeah. It was like in 2003 when Ricky Davis got all butthurt saying something like “I thought he was coming in to help me” when it became clear LeBron would be the #1 option on the team

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Mobley has taken the lead now for sure.

what a performance at MSG.

[INKtastic]

Gotta see the reply of this NYK game looks like a marquee performance for Mobley.

Anywhere to watch game replays other than league pass?

He killed us tonight. I'm telling you, this kid is bananas.

Watch on YouTube

The play at 2:01