When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[MagicStarwipe]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see the points being made here and how contemptuous the conversation is getting. I just dislike how this vaccine thing is pitting people against one another. Even organizations against individuals and people are sometimes losing jobs over this.

When you start creating such divisiveness in a society and taking away peoples' abilities to make a living, it's concerning. I guess I just wish people had choice without being vilified. But, we have a mass of the population that treats the vaccine like it's a god of some kind. It's not to be questioned, that's blasphemous. It's bizarre.

As for Isaac, I applaud him for standing for what he believes in - even if it could lead to negative consequences. I feel like he'll be back somewhere in December or January because the organization seems to be playing it safe. Considering how the Magic have done thus far, no reason for him to rush back because this team isn't really competing for much.

Not surprising that people have strong feelings in the middle of a once in a century global pandemic, when there is a lifesaving vaccine available that a certain group isn't willing to take mostly because of political reasons, despite the mass of avoidable deaths every day. Who should we blame for politicising a global health crisis? Perhaps go take a look at r/HermanCainAward.

I didn't know that Reddit existed. It's bizarre to see people celebrate deaths of unvaccinated people. But hey, you do you.

I don't post there and I don't agree with the celebrating. That part is toxic. I'm talking about the people who are losing their lives because of tribalism and believing in lies on the internet.

[swarlesbarkley]

If you're talking about Isaac, I think he realizes there are consequences for his decision. In interviews, Twitter, etc. he seems very aware that his choice is an unpopular one and that he'll face criticism. Which is why I said in my post that "I applaud him for standing for what he believes in - even if it could lead to negative consequences." I don't see any entitlement in anything he's said or done regarding vaccination status.

He may be aware that it's an unpopular opinion but when he followed up his press conference with spots on Fox News and a Breitbart podcast to announce his upcoming book "Why I Stand" he's very aware that it's a lucrative opinion and Isaac is taking advantage of that aspect.

And that's all fine I guess (ignoring the content of the opinion) but when the unpopular opinion which Isaac is parlaying into a book and clothing line actually puts the team more at risk and at a competitive disadvantage, well that's a huge deal - especially when he's the highest player on the team.

[swarlesbarkley]

I see that the CDC announced a few days ago that a US-based study showed vaccine immunity gives 5x the protection compared to "natural" immunity. I wonder if Isaac will change his stance on the COVID vaccine since at his press conference he spoke to his natural immunity being better than vaccine immunity as one of the driving forces for him to avoid vaccination.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

[Skybox]

I see that the CDC announced a few days ago that a US-based study showed vaccine immunity gives 5x the protection compared to "natural" immunity. I wonder if Isaac will change his stance on the COVID vaccine since at his press conference he spoke to his natural immunity being better than vaccine immunity as one of the driving forces for him to avoid vaccination.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

there are quite a few highly public anti-vaccine/anti "face diaper" folks who "changed their stance" on their deathbeds and told their followers they may have been wrong, haven't seen too many do it just based on medical studies or new information.

[swarlesbarkley]

I see that the CDC announced a few days ago that a US-based study showed vaccine immunity gives 5x the protection compared to "natural" immunity. I wonder if Isaac will change his stance on the COVID vaccine since at his press conference he spoke to his natural immunity being better than vaccine immunity as one of the driving forces for him to avoid vaccination.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

there are quite a few highly public anti-vaccine/anti "face diaper" folks who "changed their stance" on their deathbeds and told their followers they may have been wrong, haven't seen too many do it just based on medical studies or new information.

Yeah - it's super sad.

Here's JI's quote specifically about natural immunity:

"Our understanding of antibodies, or natural immunity, has changed a great deal from the onset of the pandemic and it is still evolving."

Maybe I'm optimistic, but him saying "it is still evolving" maybe means he's open to new information. Probably not though.

[RookieStar]

I know this isn't a covid thread BUT with the reports of that covid drug entering phase 3 trial ( supposedly), how much more will JI double down on his " won't get vaccinated" stand.

Ah well as I said, if it won't cause a problem for the team, let him do as he wish.

[Magic_Kingdom]

Isaac had to be vaccinated against a whole slew of diseases to start kindergarten in this country, and he had to prove his vaccination status to go to Florida State. Does he have a problem with that? Would he have rather tried his hand at natural immunity to Diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis, polio, Measles-mumps-rubella, Haemophilus influenzae type b, Pneumococcal conjugate, Hepatitis B?

What's different? My suspicion, based on his media appearances, is that this is just political. Which is sad because these people don't realize they are being manipulated for the purpose of fueling some fake culture war that sows division in our country to benefit a political party. Every employee of Fox News questioning the vaccine and getting viewers fired up about their "rights" is vaccinated. Every single one.

For the purposes of how this affects our basketball team, if I'm Jeff Weltman, I am not happy. This dude has only played 136 games total in four seasons, can't stay healthy, and yet Weltman still invested heavily in him with a big multi-year extension. He took a big risk and showed a lot of faith in Isaac. So what does Isaac do? Make it publicly known that once his knee heals he might have to miss games because of COVID protocols because he won't get vaccinated. Weltman will never admit it, but I guarantee you this infuriated him. It also shows you where Isaac's head is 15 months after his ACL tear -- still not playing, with no timetable for his return.

[RookieStar]

Look, just to confirm so all these " not sure when he will be back" questions will be answered.

Is it confirmed by official sources ( meaning Magic org ) that the Nov.13 date is when he will return or not?

*some poster mentioned it before*

[basketballRob]

Isaac had to be vaccinated against a whole slew of diseases to start kindergarten in this country, and he had to prove his vaccination status to go to Florida State. Does he have a problem with that? Would he have rather tried his hand at natural immunity to Diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis, polio, Measles-mumps-rubella, Haemophilus influenzae type b, Pneumococcal conjugate, Hepatitis B?

What's different? My suspicion, based on his media appearances, is that this is just political. Which is sad because these people don't realize they are being manipulated for the purpose of fueling some fake culture war that sows division in our country to benefit a political party. Every employee of Fox News questioning the vaccine and getting viewers fired up about their "rights" is vaccinated. Every single one.

For the purposes of how this affects our basketball team, if I'm Jeff Weltman, I am not happy. This dude has only played 136 games total in four seasons, can't stay healthy, and yet Weltman still invested heavily in him with a big multi-year extension. He took a big risk and showed a lot of faith in Isaac. So what does Isaac do? Make it publicly known that once his knee heals he might have to miss games because of COVID protocols because he won't get vaccinated. Weltman will never admit it, but I guarantee you this infuriated him. It also shows you where Isaac's head is 15 months after his ACL tear -- still not playing, with no timetable for his return.

So do you think he could still win dpoy this season? Probably not enough games left.

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[Passout]

Isaac had to be vaccinated against a whole slew of diseases to start kindergarten in this country, and he had to prove his vaccination status to go to Florida State. Does he have a problem with that? Would he have rather tried his hand at natural immunity to Diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis, polio, Measles-mumps-rubella, Haemophilus influenzae type b, Pneumococcal conjugate, Hepatitis B?

What's different? My suspicion, based on his media appearances, is that this is just political. Which is sad because these people don't realize they are being manipulated for the purpose of fueling some fake culture war that sows division in our country to benefit a political party. Every employee of Fox News questioning the vaccine and getting viewers fired up about their "rights" is vaccinated. Every single one.

For the purposes of how this affects our basketball team, if I'm Jeff Weltman, I am not happy. This dude has only played 136 games total in four seasons, can't stay healthy, and yet Weltman still invested heavily in him with a big multi-year extension. He took a big risk and showed a lot of faith in Isaac. So what does Isaac do? Make it publicly known that once his knee heals he might have to miss games because of COVID protocols because he won't get vaccinated. Weltman will never admit it, but I guarantee you this infuriated him. It also shows you where Isaac's head is 15 months after his ACL tear -- still not playing, with no timetable for his return.

What’s different is all of those vaccines you mentioned have been around for decades with many long term studies demonstrating safety. These COVID vaccines were developed using a new process and in a miraculously short amount of time. Some people are nervous about long term effects. JI also couldn’t make that decision for himself before kindergarten, but as a grown man he can. Lastly, for the 1000th time, he has already been through COVID and has some level of natural immunity.

With regards to your uniformed take on Fox News employees, they have the option for daily testing in lieu of proof of vaccination. Not too hard to verify…just a simple google search away my man.

[Hogified05]

JI has been disappointing whether it is from the injury or his stance on Vaccine. He is supposed to lead the group and become a leader. I wish him back ASAP though. His defense and energy can impact the game and we need a guy like that on the court. He has a lot of proving to do.

I would say he is leading. Takes no courage to follow the crowd. The thought among NBA players is pretty one dimensional and blue pilled. I hope he red pills the hell out of everyone.

[swarlesbarkley]

JI has been disappointing whether it is from the injury or his stance on Vaccine. He is supposed to lead the group and become a leader. I wish him back ASAP though. His defense and energy can impact the game and we need a guy like that on the court. He has a lot of proving to do.

I would say he is leading. Takes no courage to follow the crowd. The thought among NBA players is pretty one dimensional and blue pilled. I hope he red pills the hell out of everyone.

It's funny to me that the red pill is the anti-science crowd but maybe I saw a different Matrix movie.

Regardless, hope JI is back on the court in a couple weeks. Will be interesting to see if the vibe on the court changes when he returns.

[swarlesbarkley]

Anyone know how his speech went at the National Conservatism Conference?

[RichCollab]

Is Isaac one of the current team leaders? It doesn’t seem like it. How will he do with the news continuing with the leadership?

[Last Guardian]

Isaac sits on the first seat on the bench next to the coaches and is the first one clapping and standing up for this teams good play. He especially seems happy when the team defends well.

All this stupid talk about him being disconnected from the rest of the team or basketball not being a priority will end when he's back out on the floor giving more effort than anyone else. I'm worried he'll get injured again sure, I'm not worried about the effort and tenacity he's going to play with.

[swarlesbarkley]

Isaac sits on the first seat on the bench next to the coaches and is the first one clapping and standing up for this teams good play. He especially seems happy when the team defends well.

All this stupid talk about him being disconnected from the rest of the team or basketball not being a priority will end when he's back out on the floor giving more effort than anyone else. I'm worried he'll get injured again sure, I'm not worried about the effort and tenacity he's going to play with.

There's clearly an inner nucleus of players on this team that gel and vibe together: Cole, RJ, Suggs, Bamba, WCJ, and Wagner. You can see it in their personal videos they post. Fultz and Okeke seem like they're also a part of this group despite working through their rehab - I haven't seen much JI in these videos.

Now, does this mean that he's not a part of this circle or even that this circle of players really means anything in the long-run? No. But it would be a better "look" if JI was goofing around with these guys and participating in the celebratory deodorant baths after great games (can JI even participate in these with his vax status?).

As it stands right now - it looks like JI is on the outside of this club. Maybe it won't matter on the court anyway but the current dudes have a chemistry that I haven't seen on a Magic team since 2008.

[basketballRob]

Isaac sits on the first seat on the bench next to the coaches and is the first one clapping and standing up for this teams good play. He especially seems happy when the team defends well.

All this stupid talk about him being disconnected from the rest of the team or basketball not being a priority will end when he's back out on the floor giving more effort than anyone else. I'm worried he'll get injured again sure, I'm not worried about the effort and tenacity he's going to play with.

There's clearly an inner nucleus of players on this team that gel and vibe together: Cole, RJ, Suggs, Bamba, WCJ, and Wagner. You can see it in their personal videos they post. Fultz and Okeke seem like they're also a part of this group despite working through their rehab - I haven't seen much JI in these videos.

Now, does this mean that he's not a part of this circle or even that this circle of players really means anything in the long-run? No. But it would be a better "look" if JI was goofing around with these guys and participating in the celebratory deodorant baths after great games (can JI even participate in these with his vax status?).

As it stands right now - it looks like JI is on the outside of this club. Maybe it won't matter on the court anyway but the current dudes have a chemistry that I haven't seen on a Magic team since 2008.

I've seen videos of Isaac at the work out facility with all the guys for months. He's not doing tik tok videos with them, but he's there.

It's still a new team, so I would imagine they'd also have to play 15-20 games together before they bond as a unit.

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[swarlesbarkley]

Isaac sits on the first seat on the bench next to the coaches and is the first one clapping and standing up for this teams good play. He especially seems happy when the team defends well.

All this stupid talk about him being disconnected from the rest of the team or basketball not being a priority will end when he's back out on the floor giving more effort than anyone else. I'm worried he'll get injured again sure, I'm not worried about the effort and tenacity he's going to play with.

There's clearly an inner nucleus of players on this team that gel and vibe together: Cole, RJ, Suggs, Bamba, WCJ, and Wagner. You can see it in their personal videos they post. Fultz and Okeke seem like they're also a part of this group despite working through their rehab - I haven't seen much JI in these videos.

Now, does this mean that he's not a part of this circle or even that this circle of players really means anything in the long-run? No. But it would be a better "look" if JI was goofing around with these guys and participating in the celebratory deodorant baths after great games (can JI even participate in these with his vax status?).

As it stands right now - it looks like JI is on the outside of this club. Maybe it won't matter on the court anyway but the current dudes have a chemistry that I haven't seen on a Magic team since 2008.

I've seen videos of Isaac at the work out facility with all the guys for months. He's not doing tik tok videos with them, but he's there.

It's still a new team, so I would imagine they'd also have to play 15-20 games together before they bond as a unit.

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Right. He's there. But he's not interacting with that core group of guys. They acknowledge him but he's not a part of the group it seems. And it's not a "he's rehabbing" thing - because Fultz and Okeke made quite a few cameos during their rehab process. It might be a COVID thing - maybe JI isn't allowed to be close to the rest of the vaccinated players?

[Last Guardian]

Isaac sits on the first seat on the bench next to the coaches and is the first one clapping and standing up for this teams good play. He especially seems happy when the team defends well.

All this stupid talk about him being disconnected from the rest of the team or basketball not being a priority will end when he's back out on the floor giving more effort than anyone else. I'm worried he'll get injured again sure, I'm not worried about the effort and tenacity he's going to play with.

There's clearly an inner nucleus of players on this team that gel and vibe together: Cole, RJ, Suggs, Bamba, WCJ, and Wagner. You can see it in their personal videos they post. Fultz and Okeke seem like they're also a part of this group despite working through their rehab - I haven't seen much JI in these videos.

Now, does this mean that he's not a part of this circle or even that this circle of players really means anything in the long-run? No. But it would be a better "look" if JI was goofing around with these guys and participating in the celebratory deodorant baths after great games (can JI even participate in these with his vax status?).

As it stands right now - it looks like JI is on the outside of this club. Maybe it won't matter on the court anyway but the current dudes have a chemistry that I haven't seen on a Magic team since 2008.

Dwight is notorious for not having friends in the NBA but he led this team to competitive basketball.

It is great that the team gets along but it doesn't mean anything...they still are among the worst teams in basketball currently.

And like I said...JI is up front, participating in the huddles, clapping and cheering for his team...he's fully engaged in the games. He's not in the back writing his next sermon. Whether or not he's part of the brat pack means nothing.

Its also difficult to truly engage with people you haven't battled on the court with yet. Outside of Fultz, Ross and Bamba I don't think he's played with anyone on the team.

[pepe1991]

Oh god.. "vibing", " tic toc videos" , wasn't in group picture on twitter....


How old are you guys ? 11 ?

You think every mid 20s person is mental men-child that is into things kids born in 2011 are ? Spoiler alert, they are not.
Jayson Tatum, born in 1998, younger than most of Magic roster, has 4 years old boy. Guess who is not "vibing" on instagram? Too busy balling.

Luka Doncic, Giannis , Jokic, Kawhi and many other young stars even in their younger days weren't walking goofies.

Isaac simply isn't guy who will be there punching pilates ball with his d** and post it on twitter .





#VIbing #MyTeam #BrightFuture


Isaac is young man who is more down the Earth guy than most of other guys Magic have. And when healthy , better than most of "vibing crew" mentioned ( minus maybe Wagner, if he develops in right way).

And that comes from guy who was never that high on Isaac.

But hey, Cole Anthony yells at mic after third win in eleven games. That makes him leader...