Celtics are interested in Ben Simmons [Shams]

[VDT]

That isn't an issue? Isn't this what I've been saying? Celtics have two PGs (Smart/Schroder) that shoot 33%

It's very unlikely for a team to have three stars, pimarily due to the limited cap space. If that's the only way the Celtics can become relevant (not even win, mind you) that is an issue by itself and is why the Celtics should try to split the pair.

Honestly that makes no sense. Celtics don't have a good supporting cast so split up the two all-stars. Not seeing the logic there.

Primarily, you dont need supporting cast. You need a guy to run the offense who can also score. I.e. you need a star, make it superstar if you want to become a contender.

You can either try keep the pair and hope that you can find the third star or trade one of them as their skillset is overlapping. It's the Celtics choice but to me its clear that they are (and should be ) troubled with the team's performance and the viability of Brown/Tatum as the guys on the team.

[StojkoVrankovic]

It's very unlikely for a team to have three stars, pimarily due to the limited cap space. If that's the only way the Celtics can become relevant (not even win, mind you) that is an issue by itself and is why the Celtics should try to split the pair.

Honestly that makes no sense. Celtics don't have a good supporting cast so split up the two all-stars. Not seeing the logic there.

Primarily, you dont need supporting cast. You need a guy to run the offense who can also score. I.e. you need a star, make it superstar if you want to become a contender.

You can either try keep the pair and hope that you can find the third star or trade one of them as their skillset is overlapping. It's the Celtics choice but to me its clear that they are (and should be ) troubled with the team's performance and the viability of Brown/Tatum as the guys on the team.

So you suggest we trade Brown for Simmons because the Celtics need a star who can score

You want the Celtics to trade a SG, with arguably one of the best contracts in the league, who is averaging 25.6 points on elite efficiency and 6 rebounds a game for someone who has made 5 3-point shots in his career and has mental issue.

[Richard4444]

I can see a trade

Boston
Brown
Hernangomes

for

Sixers
Simmons
Maxey

[VDT]

Honestly that makes no sense. Celtics don't have a good supporting cast so split up the two all-stars. Not seeing the logic there.

Primarily, you dont need supporting cast. You need a guy to run the offense who can also score. I.e. you need a star, make it superstar if you want to become a contender.

You can either try keep the pair and hope that you can find the third star or trade one of them as their skillset is overlapping. It's the Celtics choice but to me its clear that they are (and should be ) troubled with the team's performance and the viability of Brown/Tatum as the guys on the team.

So you suggest we trade Brown for Simmons because the Celtics need a star who can score

You want the Celtics to trade a SG, with arguably one of the best contracts in the league, who is averaging 25.6 points on elite efficiency and 6 rebounds a game for someone who has made 5 3-point shots in his career and has mental issue.

I was talking about a Tatum/Braun trade in general. A Brown-Simmons trade might happen only if the Sixers add picks and/or things are bad in the Celtics locker room and the team is forced to trade one of Tatum/Brown.

[BK_2020]

Jaylen Brown shoots better than Simmons but Simmons is worlds apart in defense, passing and basketball IQ in general. I don't know why people think a potential Jaylen for Simmons swap is so outrageous.

It’s mostly that Celtics fans value Brown more than Simmons. They’re not that far apart in value in my opinion. But Simmons not playing in games so far this season is hurting his value.

You can't win it all with Simmons as your PG. Even Doc admitted that. Won't shoot threes and became afraid to get fouled. Simmons never showed the desire to address his weakness and never will. I'd never trade Brown for Simmons without proof he can change.

Doc can't win with Chris Paul as his PG, or with Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.

[KIRAG]

Brad Stevens would've gone mad or suddenly had amnesia if he's going to trade Brown for Simmons, after he has coached a celtics team that has beaten the sixers twice in the playoffs with Simmons (except for 1 series) and limited him to

Spoiler:

First of all, sixers don't have leverage because Simmons is disgruntled. Now if it's Smart and other players or picks, I can see that a possibility.

[nitocobola]

Brad Stevens would've gone mad or suddenly had amnesia if he's going to trade Brown for Simmons, after he has coached a celtics team that has beaten the sixers twice in the playoffs with Simmons (except for 1 series) and limited him to

Spoiler:

First of all, sixers don't have leverage because Simmons is disgruntled. Now if it's Smart and other players or picks, I can see that a possibility.

yeah daryl morey is stupid enough to trade ben simmons to a conference rival for marcus smart and two first rounders.

What a dumb take

[mademan]

Im sure every team is some level of interested in Simmons at a certain price point. Im sure a lot of teams have given Marcus Smart+picks type offers to the Sixers to see if theyre willing to just give in and wash their hands of the Simmons situation. It doesnt look like they are tho

I think Brown for Simmons is an absolute non-starter and im not even sure if the Sixers are willing to give what it would take for the C's to even consider it (like every pick, maxey, a Smart/Seth swap, other young guys)

[Ryoga Hibiki]

The Celtics themselves have already been involved in multiple trades far worse than that would be lol.

Not in my lifetime, as far as I can remember

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you have no objectivity on Simmons though. I'm talking about objective trades. Like to make it easy for everyone, start with the trade that led directly to Brown being a Celtic. That one was much worse than this one would be.

much worse for who?
I can't remember a trade that a Celtics lost so badly as this potential one (unless there are a gazillion picks on top)
Simmons is a flawed player to begin with that either has important mental issues that don't allow him to play now or someone unrealiable enough to fake them to force a trade.
But maybe it's my bias, sure.

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[Texas Chuck]

Not in my lifetime, as far as I can remember

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you have no objectivity on Simmons though. I'm talking about objective trades. Like to make it easy for everyone, start with the trade that led directly to Brown being a Celtic. That one was much worse than this one would be.

much worse for who?
I can't remember a trade that a Celtics lost so badly as this potential one (unless there are a gazillion picks on top)
Simmons is a flawed player to begin with that either has important mental issues that don't allow him to play now or someone unrealiable enough to fake them to force a trade.
But maybe it's my bias, sure.

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Please don't move goalposts. You claimed the Celtics had never been involved in a worse trade. I just emphatically proved that wrong. Your response then is yeah I was being hyperbolic because I detest Ben Simmons. Or your response is oh sorry I meant worse from the Boston perspective. Then I could point you to some obvious ones there as well, but I wouldn't bother because yes you have a strong anti-Simmons bias that anyone in these threads is well aware of.

The rest of understand despite him currently not playing and some playoff struggles that he is one of the better players in the league.

[draftnightsuit]

Simmons for Brown solves the problems for both teams. It looks like the Celtics will make the mistake of overrating their players and ending up a treadmill.

Simmons is likely the best player they’ll get for Brown, in addition to being young enough to play with Tatum and being the playmaker that they need. They should pull the trigger.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

you have no objectivity on Simmons though. I'm talking about objective trades. Like to make it easy for everyone, start with the trade that led directly to Brown being a Celtic. That one was much worse than this one would be.

much worse for who?
I can't remember a trade that a Celtics lost so badly as this potential one (unless there are a gazillion picks on top)
Simmons is a flawed player to begin with that either has important mental issues that don't allow him to play now or someone unrealiable enough to fake them to force a trade.
But maybe it's my bias, sure.

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Please don't move goalposts. You claimed the Celtics had never been involved in a worse trade. I just emphatically proved that wrong. Your response then is yeah I was being hyperbolic because I detest Ben Simmons. Or your response is oh sorry I meant worse from the Boston perspective. Then I could point you to some obvious ones there as well, but I wouldn't bother because yes you have a strong anti-Simmons bias that anyone in these threads is well aware of.

The rest of understand despite him currently not playing and some playoff struggles that he is one of the better players in the league.

I don't see any goalpost, we're talking about Boston potentially considering a horrible trade and I don't see how a trade they won matters in this context.

Anyway, what you don't get is that there's nothing personal on Simmons in this evaluation.
He's an extremely flawed player that is a severe headcase. And the second is true weather you believe all this thing is real or an excuse.
Either there's a warchest of assets on top or this is a suicide trade, even if for whatever reason Brown and Tatum must be separated.


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[ConSarnit]

A Brown-Simmons trade doesn’t really make sense from the Celtics perspective. Most teams are trying to add stars. When was the last time there was a star for star trade? If you’re the Celts you want a Brown-Tatum-Simmons trio. Brown for Simmons seems pretty lateral. Pretty good deal for the Sixers though, who get an all star for a guy refusing to play.

The deal would need to be:

Simmons > BOS
Future BOS assets > 3rd rebuilding team
3rd rebuilding team > star(ish) win now piece to PHI

OR Morey has a deal lined up for a star that requires BOS future assets + PHI future assets to a team that doesn’t want Simmons (but wants a boatload of picks). It seems like this is the only way it makes sense (for BOS).

[Curmudgeon]

Simmons for Brown solves the problems for both teams. It looks like the Celtics will make the mistake of overrating their players and ending up a treadmill.

Simmons is likely the best player they’ll get for Brown, in addition to being young enough to play with Tatum and being the playmaker that they need. They should pull the trigger.

Brown is the best player they'll get for Brown.

[mademan]

If Tatum is still doing dumb iso's that result in step back mid range shots, then im not sure why Simmons is a better fit than Brown. Whats the end result, C's fans get to watch Tatum iso more often? It's not like Simmons creating in the half court was ever a strength for him.

What the C's need is a coach that Tatum/Brown will listen to and who will actually build an offense. If Udoka cant do it, get someone else. If all the coaches cant do it, then trade Brown/Tatum for rebuild packages cause that means theyre just not winning players.

[Jazztop]

Pretty sure the Celtics aren’t going to give up Brown. They might offload Smart tho and something else that dumps salary.

[Jazz9]

If you can somehow get Brown for Simmons you run and don't look back

[monopoman]

Well remember what Morey wants, a whole stack of picks on top of the player.

So it will have to be minimum Brown and 3 future unprotected first round picks and 3 future pick swaps.

[HabsAndDubs]

Not sure how it makes sense. Who does Philly add to the package to make it worth Boston giving up Marcus Smart?

I guess you can do Schroeder + picks, but not sure if Simmons is that guy.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

UMMM WASN'T EVERYONE TELLING ME BROWN AND TATUM ARE SELFISH JOKES AND THE CAUSE OF ALL THE CELTICS PROBLEMS?

Sorry for the caps.