Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[NebWolvesFan]

[*]

KAT is worth a lot more than what you guys are talking about. Think what Morey is asking for Simmons, that is KAT’s minimum value.

I do think KAT has a lot of value, but I do worry that it's going down. As he gets closer and closer to another extension, I worry that fewer teams will have interest.

[Neeva]

Charlotte is desperate for a center. Naz Reid? reid for Pj Washington?

[shrink]

[*]

KAT is worth a lot more than what you guys are talking about. Think what Morey is asking for Simmons, that is KAT’s minimum value.

I do think KAT has a lot of value, but I do worry that it's going down. As he gets closer and closer to another extension, I worry that fewer teams will have interest.

I wrote this yesterday

I’ve mentioned before that star players historically retain their full trade value until the penultimate trade deadline. Teams seem to want two shots at the playoffs, as well as the advantages that come with re-signing. Towns has three years left on his deal.

Now, any player can lose value if there is a drop in performance, but Towns is having a good season so far with improved defense.

8 GM, 34.4 MPG, 51.2% FG, 49.0% 3P%, 6.4 3PA, 86.5% FT%, 9.3 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 23.4 PPG

[younggunsmn]

We traded the wrong PG. It's becoming painfully apparent how bad Rosas was at talent evaluation and roster construction, and how little he listened to any other voices. I'm curious to see if Gupta will be better and how much of a hand he had in some of those moves.

After this road trip we're probably looking at being sellers and any thoughts of trading future picks are stopped by cold reality. It would be smarter to move KAT around draft time. D-Lo has one year left after this year and we would have to be insane to extend him. Hopefully some of these guys play well enough that we can get off their contracts at the trade deadline and clear the chessboard for next year.

[shangrila]

I doubt anything happens this year. We'll try our hardest to win what we can, developing Ant along the way. If we somehow turn it around and make the play-ins? Then we likely stay the course.

But if it's another poor season, which it is looking like so far, then I imagine Towns asks out and DLo probably does too (for his ego, if Towns goes I imagine he's gone in one way or another). But it won't happen until the offseason.

There is one wildcard with it and that's Ayton. If Towns is privately letting it be known by the deadline that he wants out and the team wants Ayton it makes things far easier to acquire him during the season rather than messing with any kind of S&T.

[Neeva]

I really don’t want Ayton especially on the type of contract he wants:/

[minimus]

HOU started 1-9, DET 1-8. I wonder if they continue to fall what are chances that Jerami Grant and Wood will be available?

P.S. Can Gupta make our version of Rasheed Wallace to DET trade? We need a tough, experienced big who can really stabilize entire team defense. I believe that we have good progress in perimeter defense but we need one quality defensive big, who can either finish at rim or shoot.

[TaylorTag]

How many first round picks would both sides need to include to get Boston to say yes?

BOS in: D'Lo, Okogie and Reed
BOS out: Brown and Hernongomez

PHI in: Brown and Hernongomez
PHI out: Simmons and Reed

MIN in: Simmons
MIN out: D'Lo and Okogie

EDIT: After writing the below analysis, decided to throw Reed in the trade, going to PHI, to make the value closer. Think Reed makes a lot of sense in Boston and it is something Philly would ultimately be willing to give up if it makes this kind of trade work. Still think Boston would need draft picks from both parties, but we get closer to a fair trade.

Boston fans have been begging for a true PG. Russell fills that hole and think he would work well with Tatum. Okogie gives them a wing defender after losing Brown in this hypothetical trade. Hernongomez has gotten no time in Boston thus far, his size and shooting might mae more sense in Philly, especially since they could use some size with Simmons abscense.

PHI gets a true star for Simmons in Brown, someone who should be a good third on a contender once they figure out how to flip Tobias Harris for someone who is good. They do the trade in a hearbeat.

If the stars align and it looks like we can get Simmons without having to trade Ant, then I think we have to do it. A Simmons, KAT, Ant trio makes too much sense, and as much as I want it to work with Russell here, I have to think that the Wolves FO would be willing to pull the trigger.

Think it would all come down to how many picks we (and the 76ers) would have to give Boston, as a Brown for D'Lo trade straight up is not of fair value. Boston would need some draft capital to make this work. Is 2 FRPs each from us and Philly (so 4 total) enough?

It all comes down to where Boston sees themselves. If you asked the average fan a week ago, people were saying that Brown and Tatum will never work together, and it did seem like a blowup was imminent. There was a players-only meeting since then and they have won some games, so think the outrage has tampered a little bit, but definitely think a Minnesota/Boston/Philly trade seems plausible here.

It would also allow Philly and Boston, two hated rivals, to work with an intermediary so that one star player is moving out of the conference.

When it's all said it done, I doubt Boston has the courage to do a trade that would send Brown to Philly. But could a warchest of draft picks plus D'Lo make them think about it?

[Krapinsky]

How many first round picks would both sides need to include to get Boston to say yes?

BOS in: D'Lo, Okogie and Reed
BOS out: Brown and Hernongomez

PHI in: Brown and Hernongomez
PHI out: Simmons and Reed

MIN in: Simmons
MIN out: D'Lo and Okogie

EDIT: After writing the below analysis, decided to throw Reed in the trade, going to PHI, to make the value closer. Think Reed makes a lot of sense in Boston and it is something Philly would ultimately be willing to give up if it makes this kind of trade work. Still think Boston would need draft picks from both parties, but we get closer to a fair trade.

Boston fans have been begging for a true PG. Russell fills that hole and think he would work well with Tatum. Okogie gives them a wing defender after losing Brown in this hypothetical trade. Hernongomez has gotten no time in Boston thus far, his size and shooting might mae more sense in Philly, especially since they could use some size with Simmons abscense.

PHI gets a true star for Simmons in Brown, someone who should be a good third on a contender once they figure out how to flip Tobias Harris for someone who is good. They do the trade in a hearbeat.

If the stars align and it looks like we can get Simmons without having to trade Ant, then I think we have to do it. A Simmons, KAT, Ant trio makes too much sense, and as much as I want it to work with Russell here, I have to think that the Wolves FO would be willing to pull the trigger.

Think it would all come down to how many picks we (and the 76ers) would have to give Boston, as a Brown for D'Lo trade straight up is not of fair value. Boston would need some draft capital to make this work. Is 2 FRPs each from us and Philly (so 4 total) enough?

It all comes down to where Boston sees themselves. If you asked the average fan a week ago, people were saying that Brown and Tatum will never work together, and it did seem like a blowup was imminent. There was a players-only meeting since then and they have won some games, so think the outrage has tampered a little bit, but definitely think a Minnesota/Boston/Philly trade seems plausible here.

It would also allow Philly and Boston, two hated rivals, to work with an intermediary so that one star player is moving out of the conference.

When it's all said it done, I doubt Boston has the courage to do a trade that would send Brown to Philly. But could a warchest of draft picks plus D'Lo make them think about it?

Boston probably doesn’t do that regardless of the picks.

[BlacJacMac]

How many first round picks would both sides need to include to get Boston to say yes?

Eleventy-five.

[Slim Tubby]

How many first round picks would both sides need to include to get Boston to say yes?

Eleventy-five.

Plus an equal amount of Pick Swaps.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Domejandro]

How many first round picks would both sides need to include to get Boston to say yes?

Eleventy-five.

Plus an equal amount of Pick Swaps.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probably need eleventy-six of those, if we are being honest.

[TheProdigy]

I absolutely hate to say it, but I think the appropriate move is to trade KAT for a boat load of FRPs. Try trading DLo for anything of value, otherwise just let him be the perfect tank commander and have his contract roll off when it expires.

Going forward, we need to focus on building the roster with wily veterans like Beverley who can be mentors to our young guys. Our young players will need to be challenged and held accountable. No more of this "walk in 1st day of training camp and be 1st option" like we did with KAT and Wiggins. We need to learn how to develop our young guys the right way so they don't grow into soft players who can't be held accountable. I still have hope for Ant, but I wonder how much being around KAT and DLo will stunt his growth.

[Note30]

What about DLo for Westbrook?

Same contract, but Westbrook can actually run a pick and roll. He jacks up a lot of shots, but he can be the heart of the team and carry.

[SCTwins]

What about DLo for Westbrook?

Same contract, but Westbrook can actually run a pick and roll. He jacks up a lot of shots, but he can be the heart of the team and carry.

Is this what we've become? Lol

[Foye]

What about DLo for Westbrook?

Same contract, but Westbrook can actually run a pick and roll. He jacks up a lot of shots, but he can be the heart of the team and carry.

You forgot to add the obligatory lowly protected first to D‘Lo

[King Malta]

What about DLo for Westbrook?

Same contract, but Westbrook can actually run a pick and roll. He jacks up a lot of shots, but he can be the heart of the team and carry.

I don't want Russ anywhere near Ant.

[Note30]

What about DLo for Westbrook?

Same contract, but Westbrook can actually run a pick and roll. He jacks up a lot of shots, but he can be the heart of the team and carry.

I don't want Russ anywhere near Ant.

Wait why? He's had some teammates that loved him, quite a few have nothing but great regard for Westbrook. Dipo became an all-star, Jerami Grant went on to become another solid starter.

Westbrook may not be a playoff strength but his floor is soooo high. He can get a team to the playoffs no problem. He even did it last year on that garbage Wizards team.

[Note30]

What about DLo for Westbrook?

Same contract, but Westbrook can actually run a pick and roll. He jacks up a lot of shots, but he can be the heart of the team and carry.

Is this what we've become? Lol

We'd be lucky to have, what are you on? We haven't made the playoffs in a while and he's a player while flawed who can carry the team.

[King Malta]

What about DLo for Westbrook?

Same contract, but Westbrook can actually run a pick and roll. He jacks up a lot of shots, but he can be the heart of the team and carry.

I don't want Russ anywhere near Ant.

Wait why? He's had some teammates that loved him, quite a few have nothing but great regard for Westbrook. Dipo became an all-star, Jerami Grant went on to become another solid starter.

Westbrook may not be a playoff strength but his floor is soooo high. He can get a team to the playoffs no problem. He even did it last year on that garbage Wizards team.

Because he's become an empty, stat padding ball hog who plays the exact style of basketball we should discourage Ant from playing. He's been awful for the Lakers this year.

Yeah, he was so good on that Wizards team that they traded him for scraps from LA and are considerably better for it