Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

[Capn'O]

Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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Dude. You do not see players brace their feet to lower their shoulder/knee into a player all the time for a foul. That is not a basketball play at all. It was a completely unnecessary hit. Morris' foul was a dirty one and would have sent a smaller player to the floor, possibly injuring them.

Jokic' response... excessive and expected. As Isiah Thomas put it, one hit, then another. I hope Morris is not out long.

[psimanic1]

It wasn't a basketball play, you ignorant fool. You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs. How many times do people have to say this for you to understand? How didn't you see guys stopping the fast break with their arms a million times? Go away.

"You stop a 5v4 by hacking with the arm, you don't slam your knee into the opponent's knee and your elbow into his ribs."


^^^^^^^
>>>> Show me this in the rule book. <<<<
Not my fault you don't like the situation.

Do you want specifically a line that says "Do not knee other players and elbow them in the ribs"? If so, I'd like to see one that says "Do not push a player in the back after he cheap shots you", specifically.

Jesus christ.

People these days... For people like him you have to put label on the shampoo to not drink it..

[ReddoverKobe]

The Morris brothers got the belt from KG as the most fake tough guys in the league. I love Joker even more.

[FinnTheHuman]

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So you're literally arguing that time was running while one play was made, and the other wasn't, and that's what makes the latter worse. And it's an extremely stupid argument to make. If I shoot you in the head with a gun while we're playing bball and the time is running, is it a milder offense than if my teammate punches you afterwards when the whistle is blown? Jesus Christ you people.

Lol. No yours was an extremely stupid argument to make.

Body checks are in the rules look it up. Handguns aren't a part of the game.

Everything is in the rules, you fool, and that doesn't mean anything when discussing the severity of the behaviors.

[Haldi]

Here is the problem with what Morris did, he was mad at the lack of a call on Jokic on the prior play and instead of fouling to stop the play to bring it up with the official, in typical Morris brother fashion, he throws a cheap shot with an elbow to the ribs of Jokic. That why Joker got mad.

Jokic shouldn't have hit him that hard in response, but its tough to hold back emotions when that happens, and I know for a fact its not the first time a Morris brother has had cheap shots against the Nuggets. Markieff was literally ejected from a game I was at for kicking Mason Plumlee in the groin.

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[bubonicphoniks]

So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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Dude. You do not see players brace their feet to lower their shoulder into a player all the time for a foul. That is not a basketball play at all. It was a completely unnecessary hit. Morris' foul was a dirty one and would have sent a smaller player to the floor, possibly injuring them.

Jokic' response... excessive and expected. As Isiah Thomas put it, one hit, then another. I hope Morris is not out long.

Thats all subjective and opinionated. Bottom line, you didn't like the foul.

I didn't either, but its in the rules and is dealt with by a flagrant 2.

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[Wooderson]

Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.

1. Body slam? You realize that entails picking Morris up and slamming him to the ground? It was a shoulder check. An aggressive one to Morris back, but it wasn't close to a body slam.

2. If Morris was just attempting a take foul he would have just wrapped him up. The game was already over and Morris was clearly expressing his frustration via a hip check and shoulder to the ribs.

Morris tried to get away with a cheap shot and turned his back to act like nothing happened and keep it subtle. That's the experience of a dirty player coming to life.

[bubonicphoniks]

I don't have to show you this: they called flagrant on that play. You're trying to play formalism with me here because you have an agenda and I'm talking common sense. Formally Morris did make this play while basketball was played so it's a basketball play in that sense, but colloquially 'basketball play' is not used for plays simply made while playing basketball, there's more to the word.

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So would Jokic have been allowed to wrap up Morris on a rebound and suplex him onto his neck since it's in play? Or maybe punch him in the back of the head while the play was going? After all, it would be a "dirty foul, but in play"?

Thats a flagrant 2 and an ejection. Duh.

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[Woodsanity]

Except I'm not retracting what I said. I'm simply saying the tone changes based on race, and it's clear. Race does play a part in these conversations, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

Glad you think I'm cool though. I try really hard.

Except it doesn't in this case. There are 3 guys in the league known exclusively for their dirty play - Morris Twins and Beverley. It has nothing to do with their race and everything to do with the way they play. If you pay attention to the league, you know this. Or should.

If you choose to refuse to acknowledge that and instead attribute the broad dislike for those 3 to race thing you mock and demean the entire movement and turn it into a joke.

Okay, agree to disagree.

Back on topic, I think they probably both get a slap on the wrist. Something like a game each.

Thats what I am hoping for.
What Jokic did was worse but Morris was the instigator. He hit Jokic on the knee and then turned around and pretended nothing happened. Completely unnecessary considering the game was already over at that point. Then Jokic loses his temper and retaliated which could have resulted in severe injury. That was a dumb, emotional move by Jokic, he needs to keep his cool. A superstar getting suspended for a role player is never a good trade off. If this was a playoff series it would be over.

[bubonicphoniks]

So if it occurs during game play regardless of how dirty a foul is its part of the game and acceptable? Morris did try to hurt/injure Jokic with 2 minutes left in a game that was out of reach. Maybe if he wasn't a spineless coward he would have confronted Jokic instead of blindsided him.

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.

1. Body slam? You realize that entails picking Morris up and slamming him to the ground? It was a shoulder check. An aggressive one to Morris back, but it wasn't close to a body slam.

2. If Morris was just attempting a take foul he would have just wrapped him up. The game was already over and Morris was clearly expressing his frustration via a hip check and shoulder to the ribs.

Morris tried to get away with a cheap shot and turned his back to act like nothing happened and keep it subtle. That's the experience of a dirty player coming to life.

Yep. Youre absolutely right.

However. They can't let players decide it with street justice so openly.

Gotta throw the book and the Joker.

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[BBallFreak]

I don't have to show you this: they called flagrant on that play. You're trying to play formalism with me here because you have an agenda and I'm talking common sense. Formally Morris did make this play while basketball was played so it's a basketball play in that sense, but colloquially 'basketball play' is not used for plays simply made while playing basketball, there's more to the word.

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So you're literally arguing that time was running while one play was made, and the other wasn't, and that's what makes the latter worse. And it's an extremely stupid argument to make. If I shoot you in the head with a gun while we're playing bball and the time is running, is it better than if my teammate punches you afterwards when the whistle is blown? Jesus Christ you people.

I think you're missing his point. When the whistle blew, that should have been it. Then Morris gets his flagrant and that's it. What he did was wrong and stupid and could have injured Jokic. No argument has been made to the contrary.

What Jokic did, however, was worse. First, he's bigger so, from a physics standpoint, the amount of force delivered was much more. Second, he went into Morris's back. No way for Morris to brace himself or protect himself in any way. Jokic saw it coming. Morris didn't. Even if you want to say the hits were the same (they weren't) you can't argue that. Finally, where the boys were delivered. Morris went for the side and maybe intentionally the knee. Jokic went for the back, intentionally, and could have really hurt him. Like paralysis...

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[bubonicphoniks]

So you're literally arguing that time was running while one play was made, and the other wasn't, and that's what makes the latter worse. And it's an extremely stupid argument to make. If I shoot you in the head with a gun while we're playing bball and the time is running, is it a milder offense than if my teammate punches you afterwards when the whistle is blown? Jesus Christ you people.

Lol. No yours was an extremely stupid argument to make.

Body checks are in the rules look it up. Handguns aren't a part of the game.

Everything is in the rules, you fool, and that doesn't mean anything when discussing the severity of the behaviors.

This doesn't even make sense. Im having a discussion with you, now you name call? Thought you were a man of peace.

Ha.

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[FinnTheHuman]

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So you're literally arguing that time was running while one play was made, and the other wasn't, and that's what makes the latter worse. And it's an extremely stupid argument to make. If I shoot you in the head with a gun while we're playing bball and the time is running, is it better than if my teammate punches you afterwards when the whistle is blown? Jesus Christ you people.

I think you're missing his point. When the whistle blew, that should have been it. Then Morris gets his flagrant and that's it. What he did was wrong and stupid and could have injured Jokic. No argument has been made to the contrary.

What Jokic did, however, was worse. First, he's bigger so, from a physics standpoint, the amount of force delivered was much more. Second, he went into Morris's back. No way for Morris to brace himself or protect himself in any way. Jokic saw it coming. Morris didn't. Even if you want to say the hits were the same (they weren't) you can't argue that. Finally, where the boys were delivered. Morris went for the side and maybe intentionally the knee. Jokic went for the back, intentionally, and could have really hurt him. Like paralysis...

Disagree. Jokic literally did the shove in order to retaliate and avoid injuring him. He woulda swung at him if he completely lost it. You always go for the shove evenly distributed by a larger surfaced body part to retaliate without hurting somebody. There is a 0.0001% chance that Morris gets seriously injured from that. Morris' play was more dangerous to Jokic's health than vice versa.

[Capn'O]

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Bingo.

[BeatDaCavs420]

This tweets by the Morris brothers are just embarrassing and just goes to show you why mostly everyone in this thread are against them. SMH

[DB23]

Dude I dont have an agenda. It was a dirty foul but it was a play.

What Jokic did was out side the game and he should be suspended.



Thats all.

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So you're literally arguing that time was running while one play was made, and the other wasn't, and that's what makes the latter worse. And it's an extremely stupid argument to make. If I shoot you in the head with a gun while we're playing bball and the time is running, is it better than if my teammate punches you afterwards when the whistle is blown? Jesus Christ you people.

I think you're missing his point. When the whistle blew, that should have been it. Then Morris gets his flagrant and that's it. What he did was wrong and stupid and could have injured Jokic. No argument has been made to the contrary.

What Jokic did, however, was worse. First, he's bigger so, from a physics standpoint, the amount of force delivered was much more. Second, he went into Morris's back. No way for Morris to brace himself or protect himself in any way. Jokic saw it coming. Morris didn't. Even if you want to say the hits were the same (they weren't) you can't argue that. Finally, where the boys were delivered. Morris went for the side and maybe intentionally the knee. Jokic went for the back, intentionally, and could have really hurt him. Like paralysis...

This is fine but people need to stop pretending that what Morris did was a basketball play.

It was dirty and totally uncalled for. Yes jokic’s reaction was too far but I think most can sympathize with the reaction.

If you think what Morris did was in the realm of a basketball play then go try it at your next pickup game. No doubt you’ll meet a worse response than what jokic did.

[jc23]

Acting like you are near death is embarrassing.

[Quattro]

Morris’ foul was clearly dirty and unnecessary. Players use their arms to foul guys in that situation not their shoulder.

That being said, Jokic deserves a suspension. He’s a far more important player to his team than a scrub like Morris and he can’t be pulling crap like this even after being fouled this way. He’s going to cost his team a few games here I would guess.

[Capn'O]

Dude I get that you don't like Morris. I'm not particularly fond of him. I love me some Jokic passing.

Bottom line is Jokic was wrong. You cant body slam people clearly after the play. Lol. What is so hard to grasp about this?

I watched Morris hit again. It was an intentional foul to stop a 5v4. Yeah he hit him hard, but it is a basketball play. We see it all the time. Body slamming guys after the whistle, well, we don't see that every day.

Jokic was wrong. They need to slam him and make an example and hopefully we don't see it again.

Like mentioned before maybe a look at an instigstor type rule would be nice for the refs to have in their pockets.



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Dude. You do not see players brace their feet to lower their shoulder into a player all the time for a foul. That is not a basketball play at all. It was a completely unnecessary hit. Morris' foul was a dirty one and would have sent a smaller player to the floor, possibly injuring them.

Jokic' response... excessive and expected. As Isiah Thomas put it, one hit, then another. I hope Morris is not out long.

Thats all subjective and opinionated. Bottom line, you didn't like the foul.

I didn't either, but its in the rules and is dealt with by a flagrant 2.

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Unnecessary and excessive is literally the definition of a flagrant 2.

https://www.nbra.net/rules/flagrant-foul/

Flagrant Foul Penalty 2: Unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent

So saying it's flagrant 2 is literally you agreeing with me and the refs. And what does unnecessary and excessive mean? Not a basketball play. FFS.