Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together?

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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#41 » by tamaraw08 » Tue Nov 9, 2021 9:08 pm

Colbinii wrote:The roster construction and asset management of the Timberwolves has been a travesty since the 'ol Joe Smith saga, where Minnesota decided to ruin any semblence of building around one of the best NBA players in history by offering to pay Joe **** Smith an "under the table" deal.

The Timberwolves decided to keep Wiggins instead of LaVine even though it was clear LaVine was already the better shooter and had more upside with his athleticism compared to what Wiggins showed.

Instead of building around Butler and Towns the team opted to extend Wiggins and build around him. Had the Wolves moved Wiggins and added a solid veteran around Butler/Towns we could have seen a different culture and team sprout up.

The team added on a 1st to swap Wiggins for Russell who had no idea how to play in an IQ-driven system in Golden State. The stretch of Russell in Golden State alone should have been a massive red flag for Minnesota.

Now we have a team where the most effective scoring center in the NBA and arguably the most dynamic scoring center in NBA history is 3rd in shot attempts on a lowsy team.

you made valid points here. The only counter argument here is they finally realized they wanted to get rid of Wiggins and the only option for them was to get another overrated/overpriced Star in Russell.
The main thing for me like the other poster said is OWNERSHIP. They keep hiring bad Executives esp Khan and not surrounding them with competent people.
Buss family have been accused of being cheap too but they managed to get very good scouts that helped them find good players in the late Rounds.
GSW hired really good nutritionists, trainers etc to keep their players relatively healthy.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#42 » by bbalnation » Tue Nov 9, 2021 9:13 pm

They should really consider drafting a point guard, that's what the Wolves are missing.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#43 » by GSP » Tue Nov 9, 2021 9:17 pm

They have a nice roster the problem is Kat isnt a top 30 player and is a 3rd option frauding as a "superstar"
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#44 » by Slim Charlez » Tue Nov 9, 2021 9:17 pm

I think they'll be the ones that bite on Simmons if they continue on their current form.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#45 » by bbalnation » Tue Nov 9, 2021 9:21 pm

Slim Charlez wrote:I think they'll be the ones that bite on Simmons if they continue on their current form.


3 team trade involving KAT? Cause I doubt Darryl accepts a package thats surrounded by DLo.

I agree with you though. Part of me sees that as a possible situation.

Although ARod & co have no reason to rush or panic into making quick decisions. They can wait this year out, get a good draft pick, and do a rebuild this summer, in the direction of OKC or Chicago (depending on the assets they feel they have).
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It's All About The Clippers (Their Drought To Be Specific) 

Post#46 » by Wammy Giveaway » Tue Nov 9, 2021 10:09 pm

The last time the Timberwolves made the playoffs, they had a 13-year drought. They were two away from tying with the 1976-1991 Braves/Clippers who led the league with a 15-year drought; three away from surpassing them. The Clipper's 15-year playoff drought remains a case study of total chaotic dysfunction by the front office and ownership, but also at the time was a franchise swap between the Braves and the Celtics involving then-owners John Y. Brown and Irv Levin. Any team who surpasses the Clipper's drought would be labelled the worst franchise in all of sports. That's what the Kings and Timberwolves are desperately trying to avoid, becoming the new Clippers.

Which is why the Kings started out with a good record before dipping back into the lottery this season (5-6 as of today), just so they don't surpass the Clipper's drought. The Wolves should be playing like the Kings in terms of not being compared to the Clippers, but that 2017 visit might have made them complacent. So long as the Clippers held the title as worst franchise in all of sports by virtue of having the longest playoff drought, Wolves thought they were golden.
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Re: It's All About The Clippers (Their Drought To Be Specific) 

Post#47 » by AbeVigodaLive » Tue Nov 9, 2021 10:25 pm

Wammy Giveaway wrote:The last time the Timberwolves made the playoffs, they had a 13-year drought. They were two away from tying with the 1976-1991 Braves/Clippers who led the league with a 15-year drought; three away from surpassing them. The Clipper's 15-year playoff drought remains a case study of total chaotic dysfunction by the front office and ownership, but also at the time was a franchise swap between the Braves and the Celtics involving then-owners John Y. Brown and Irv Levin. Any team who surpasses the Clipper's drought would be labelled the worst franchise in all of sports. That's what the Kings and Timberwolves are desperately trying to avoid, becoming the new Clippers.

Which is why the Kings started out with a good record before dipping back into the lottery this season (5-6 as of today), just so they don't surpass the Clipper's drought. The Wolves should be playing like the Kings in terms of not being compared to the Clippers, but that 2017 visit might have made them complacent. So long as the Clippers held the title as worst franchise in all of sports by virtue of having the longest playoff drought, Wolves thought they were golden.



The Timberwolves surpassed the Clippers' level of futility years ago.

All-time Winning Percentage:
- Clippers .415 (2nd worst)
- Wolves .393 (worst)

Playoff Appearances:
- Clippers - 16 out of 52 seasons (30.7%)
- Timberwolves - 9 out of 33 seasons (27.2%)

Playoff Series Wins:
- Clippers - 7
- Timberwolves - 2


It's really not a comparison at this point... and the Timberwolves keep falling further and further behind the other traditionally bad teams.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#48 » by brutalitops » Tue Nov 9, 2021 10:41 pm

Big market teams can grab useful players around the 10-12M mark, or even a little less for a desirable city
teams like Denver/Miami/Brooklyn/Milwaukee/Utah can sign useful players around the 10/12M to have a role and a chance to play deep into finals and have a shot for a title

We are neither. We are still screaming out for a PF who can rebound, we played Edwards/Culver/Okogie at heavy minutes at the PF and currently playing McDaniels (Super talented rookie) in that unnatural position when we need to pair someone who is Jared Vanderbilt who can catch a pass.

Lost out on PJ tucker. GreenX2. Millsap.

And we waived Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (I completely understand chasing dollars with his kids situation playing in europe then making less playing in the NBA)


plus luck. that ending of the memphis game was just classic wolves,
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#49 » by Sothron » Tue Nov 9, 2021 10:42 pm

The franchise suffers from way too much just plain bad luck. Players dying, players careers going off the rails and bad trades. The current team has a certified star in KAT, an upcoming star in Ant and a good one way player in DLo. The problem is the rest of the team is guys you hope continue to overachieve or people playing out of position. They need a true power forward on the team.

Trading Rubio hurt. Look at the difference he's having in Cleveland versus if he had stayed in Minnesota. They are definitely playing harder and better under Finch their current coach. They just need more talent.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#50 » by AbeVigodaLive » Tue Nov 9, 2021 10:44 pm

brutalitops wrote:Big market teams can grab useful players around the 10-12M mark, or even a little less for a desirable city
teams like Denver/Miami/Brooklyn/Milwaukee/Utah can sign useful players around the 10/12M to have a role and a chance to play deep into finals and have a shot for a title

We are neither. We are still screaming out for a PF who can rebound, we played Edwards/Culver/Okogie at heavy minutes at the PF and currently playing McDaniels (Super talented rookie) in that unnatural position when we need to pair someone who is Jared Vanderbilt who can catch a pass.

Lost out on PJ tucker. GreenX2. Millsap.

And we waived Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (I completely understand chasing dollars with his kids situation playing in europe then making less playing in the NBA)


plus luck. that ending of the memphis game was just classic wolves,



McDaniels is no longer a rookie.

And he's averaging 4.7 ppg / 4.3 reb and 4.1 FOULS in 26 minutes per game.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#51 » by Jagic Mohnson » Tue Nov 9, 2021 11:01 pm

They really have no identity. Warriors are 3 and D. Lakers have always been about having a guard and a big man lead them. Celtics are team oriented and defense. Spurs are like the Celtics. Wolves throw crap on the wall and hope something sticks mentality
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#52 » by Foye » Tue Nov 9, 2021 11:05 pm

Jagic Mohnson wrote:They really have no identity. Warriors are 3 and D. Lakers have always been about having a guard and a big man lead them. Celtics are team oriented and defense. Spurs are like the Celtics. Wolves throw crap on the wall and hope something sticks mentality


Nah. They throw crap on the ground and hope it climbs the wall.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#53 » by Dino353 » Tue Nov 9, 2021 11:34 pm

Their bench is absolutely horrible that is a good start.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#54 » by Dr Aki » Tue Nov 9, 2021 11:47 pm

No leader, it's that simple

You can skirt by on youth and inexperience excuses for so long before someone actually asks why there isn't a bonafide leader leading the team and getting them all to buy in. KAT and Dlo, they're not leaders.

I think the hope in Minny is that Edwards becomes THAT GUY, but that could be years away.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#55 » by jbk1234 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:00 am

Maybe things will change with new ownership, but it just seems like the Wolves were a team that zigged every time they should've zagged. They shouldn't have given Wiggins a max extension when they had another full season to evaluate. They shouldn't have traded up in the draft before the guy they were targeting was actually available with the pick they were getting. They shouldn't have traded that pick with Wiggins for DLo. At a minimum, that pick should've been much more heavily protected. GS didn't have other suitors. They were bidding against themselves there. These were unforced errors and not with the benefit of hindsight type of stuff. Getting stuck with Culver after trading up isn't something that should've ever happened.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#56 » by FreeThrowLine » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:07 am

The Wolves, Thunder, Pelicans and Clippers (don’t need 2 teams in LA) should be removed.

26 teams, no conferences
Top 12 records into the playoffs

Have a draft to distribute the players from above teams to the remaining 26 teams. That’s a decent amount of talent to take some more teams into true contender status
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#57 » by KuruptedCav » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:20 am

It starts at the top. As a Browns fan, I understand this all too well. It wasn’t until the owner took a backseat, hired DePodesta and let him run the show that things got better. He even tried to short-change that process by bringing in John Dorsey who burned assets and let Andrew Berry leave and oversaw the Hue Jackson/Greg Williams/Freddie Kitchens joke. DePodesta sat back, watched it happened, then put his guys back in place, and away we went to being relevant again. But it’s taken 5+ years to turnover personnel at all levels and change the culture.

Taylor has never shown that sort of patience. Hopefully the new ownership does.


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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#58 » by nzahir » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:37 am

bbalnation wrote:They should really consider drafting a point guard, that's what the Wolves are missing.

Russ :wink:

While I think Russ is not a championship winning player anymore, if ever, he can help a team get to the playoffs if the fit is right....but it is a rollercoaster
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#59 » by Black Mage » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:01 am

Quentin wrote:Year after year, they are terrible. Not only is their roster continually a trainwreck of fit, they never get love from the refs. It's always an uphill battle with this team.

My latest is how we drafted Jarrett Culver #6 after trading up from #11. I wanted to stay put and draft Brandon Clarke. Well, Clarke killed us last night while Culver watched FROM THEIR BENCH! Adding into that, we gave Wiggins for DLo and our pick...conveyed last summer. Players are a wash imo, but hey we don't need that pick! :banghead:

Why should I root for them anymore? :nonono:


Lucky for you the NBA rewards incompetence and so they wont force you to hire a Colangelo. An intelligently designed tank rebuilding plan offends Silvers sensibilities so much more.
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Re: Why can't the Timberwolves put something good together? 

Post#60 » by WolfAddict » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:55 am

I... You see... Look... I dunno.

I'm just starting to think we're one THOSE teams that are perennial losers. Ownership may change that, but I won't be holding my breath. New coach, new players, doesn't seem to matter.

We. Are. Just. ****.

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