Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Note30]

I don't want Russ anywhere near Ant.

Wait why? He's had some teammates that loved him, quite a few have nothing but great regard for Westbrook. Dipo became an all-star, Jerami Grant went on to become another solid starter.

Westbrook may not be a playoff strength but his floor is soooo high. He can get a team to the playoffs no problem. He even did it last year on that garbage Wizards team.

Because he's become an empty, stat padding ball hog who plays the exact style of basketball we should discourage Ant from playing. He's been awful for the Lakers this year.

Yeah, he was so good on that Wizards team that they traded him for scraps from LA and are considerably better for it

They won 25 out of 82 games the year before Westbrook, then won 34 of 72 the following year with him, and made the playoffs. Yeah they traded him and got better but they also added another quality PG. You're acting like we have one.

Yeah he stat pads he also plays with heart something no one on this team does. You are out of your mind. If you want Ant to carry he's gonna have to play a heliocentric type of ball with the squad we have. It's the same ball Doncic plays with the Mavs.

He's been awful for like 3 games with the Lakers. He's also playing with inconsistent lineups, without LeBron for quite a few games and no real rythm and they are still 6-5 with that old man roster.

If you don't think he can help the pups we have you are just foolhardy

[King Malta]

Wait why? He's had some teammates that loved him, quite a few have nothing but great regard for Westbrook. Dipo became an all-star, Jerami Grant went on to become another solid starter.

Westbrook may not be a playoff strength but his floor is soooo high. He can get a team to the playoffs no problem. He even did it last year on that garbage Wizards team.

Because he's become an empty, stat padding ball hog who plays the exact style of basketball we should discourage Ant from playing. He's been awful for the Lakers this year.

Yeah, he was so good on that Wizards team that they traded him for scraps from LA and are considerably better for it

They won 25 out of 82 games the year before Westbrook, then won 34 of 72 the following year with him, and made the playoffs. Yeah they traded him and got better but they also added another quality PG. You're acting like we have one.

Yeah he stat pads he also plays with heart something no one on this team does.You are out of your mind. If you want Ant to carry he's gonna have to play a heliocentric type of ball with the squad we have. It's the same ball Doncic plays with the Mavs.

He's been awful for like 3 games with the Lakers. He's also playing with inconsistent lineups, without LeBron for quite a few games and no real rythm and they are still 6-5 with that old man roster.

If you don't think he can help the pups we have you are just foolhardy

He's a worse point guard than the one we already have, and he plays a selfish, blinkered brand of basketball that we should be discouraging our already inefficient young guard from playing.

The Wizards have looked considerably better without him after adding guys who were basically afterthoughts at the Lakers. Make excuses for it all you like, but they're better off without him.

Haha awful for 3 games, he's been horrifically inefficient and has been throwing turnovers at a career high. He also produced an epically blinkered piece of play the other night with the final shot of the game to cost the Lakers a chance to win, in typical Russ fashion.

Yes, we're the foolhardy ones. If you're unable to hold a productive, intelligent debate without stooping to smart-ass remarks, then don't bother engaging me, mate.

[shrink]

The rebounding would be nice, to at least end possessions. Two problems

1. LeBron would prefer Westbrook, and Towns hold prefer Russell

2. I doubt MIN does anything that negatively impacts Edwards. I don’t like Russell, but at least he can shoot,

[King Malta]

The rebounding would be nice, to at least end possessions. Two problems

1. LeBron would prefer Westbrook, and Towns hold prefer Russell

2. I doubt MIN does anything that negatively impacts Edwards. I don’t like Russell, but at least he can shoot,

Rebounding is all good and well, but we're already struggling to score as it is, and seem to have more than a few guys who can't be consistently relied on to score efficiently. I don't think adding a very inefficient volume scorer is going to do much for us there.

I'd much prefer we have neither of the two, which is obviously unrealistic. So at this point unless a trade for positive value rears it's head, I'd be persevering with DLo until he expires.

[Domejandro]

Russell Westbrook is a better shot creator for teammates than D'Angelo Russell is, despite Russell being a more gifted passer. Westbrook consistently has a significantly higher assist percentage, even when you normalize usage rates.

Westbrook being kinda washed is the only reason why getting him for D'Angelo Russell is even remotely possible. I really think people are underrating how putrid D'Angelo Russell has been this season, he's actually been worse than Westbrook.

[King Malta]

Russell Westbrook is a better shot creator for teammates than D'Angelo Russell is, despite Russell being a more gifted passer. Westbrook consistently has a significantly higher assist percentage, even when you normalize usage rates.

Westbrook being kinda washed is the only reason why getting him for D'Angelo Russell is even remotely possible. I really think people are underrating how putrid D'Angelo Russell has been this season, he's actually been worse than Westbrook.

Fair.

That being said, I do think DLo's skillset (when he's actually playing to his level) is much more suitable for our needs at the moment, and whilst I don't want Ant emulating him, I'd much prefer that Ant is never on the same team as Russ, as Westbrook's brand of guard play at this stage of his career is precisely the thing we don't want to see out of Ant IMO.

Ultimately, if you were to perform this trade, you'd be swapping a below average, well paid point guard for a below average, well paid point guard as far as I'm concerned. The PG you're getting back however would be lacking in two areas we could use (defense and offensive efficiency), whilst the one going out actually does one of those things at a decent level, usually.

[Note30]

Because he's become an empty, stat padding ball hog who plays the exact style of basketball we should discourage Ant from playing. He's been awful for the Lakers this year.

Yeah, he was so good on that Wizards team that they traded him for scraps from LA and are considerably better for it

They won 25 out of 82 games the year before Westbrook, then won 34 of 72 the following year with him, and made the playoffs. Yeah they traded him and got better but they also added another quality PG. You're acting like we have one.

Yeah he stat pads he also plays with heart something no one on this team does.You are out of your mind. If you want Ant to carry he's gonna have to play a heliocentric type of ball with the squad we have. It's the same ball Doncic plays with the Mavs.

He's been awful for like 3 games with the Lakers. He's also playing with inconsistent lineups, without LeBron for quite a few games and no real rythm and they are still 6-5 with that old man roster.

If you don't think he can help the pups we have you are just foolhardy

He's a worse point guard than the one we already have, and he plays a selfish, blinkered brand of basketball that we should be discouraging our already inefficient young guard from playing.

The Wizards have looked considerably better without him after adding guys who were basically afterthoughts at the Lakers. Make excuses for it all you like, but they're better off without him.

Haha awful for 3 games, he's been horrifically inefficient and has been throwing turnovers at a career high. He also produced an epically blinkered piece of play the other night with the final shot of the game to cost the Lakers a chance to win, in typical Russ fashion.

Yes, we're the foolhardy ones. If you're unable to hold a productive, intelligent debate without stooping to smart-ass remarks, then don't bother engaging me, mate.

He is not worse than DAngelo Russell, Westbrook led his team to more wins last year and showed up in the games that mattered.

Yes he plays a selfish brand of ball, but that brand of ball led him to take teams to the playoffs year after year (in the West). I don't mind so long as it works. We can worry about poor playoff performances when we make the playoffs.

He historically has the one thing this team has lacked for years. Grit. I don't mind him installing that in our youths heads. He also has records historically that no player has ever achieved and has reached the playoffs as a one man wrecking crew. I'll take that any day of the week.

So? His team is 6-5. Better than ours, he **** up a game or two, but compared to DLO he's doing fine. He'll also pick up and get into form once he gets used to being the second or third option, like he did in Houston.

So yes, for DLo he would be an amazing get. Certainly better than the John Wall offers people are trying to make happen.

He's for sure a better PG, no question.

[minimus]

Russell Westbrook is a better shot creator for teammates than D'Angelo Russell is, despite Russell being a more gifted passer. Westbrook consistently has a significantly higher assist percentage, even when you normalize usage rates.

Westbrook being kinda washed is the only reason why getting him for D'Angelo Russell is even remotely possible. I really think people are underrating how putrid D'Angelo Russell has been this season, he's actually been worse than Westbrook.

Westbrook is the only PG in NBA who can have 10+ assists and doesnt control the game.

[IceManBK1]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/264687/Marvin-Bagley-Refused-To-Enter-Game-Against-Suns

beasley or prince and 2nd for Bagley..make it happen.

[minimus]

Prince, Nowell, Okogie, two SRPs for Favors, Lu Dort.

We get a veteran big and 3&D. We create some room to make trades or sign FA (Cousins, James Ennis, Chriss).

KAT/Favors/Reid
MCD/Vando/KAT
Dort/Layman/MCD
Edwards/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Beverly/JMac

[shangrila]

Prince, Nowell, Okogie, two SRPs for Favors, Lu Dort.

We get a veteran big and 3&D. We create some room to make trades or sign FA (Cousins, James Ennis, Chriss).

KAT/Favors/Reid
MCD/Vando/KAT
Dort/Layman/MCD
Edwards/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Beverly/JMac

Dort's the best player in this deal. No reason at all for OKC to do this.

[Chello1]

Until we trade KAT we will always be mediocre. You can't pay a #3 on a good team star money. He and DLO have to go before we can get this correct. Need to build around ANT..... I also think we need to trade McDaniels before all of his warts are seen.

[Krapinsky]

Until we trade KAT we will always be mediocre. You can't pay a #3 on a good team star money. He and DLO have to go before we can get this correct. Need to build around ANT..... I also think we need to trade McDaniels before all of his warts are seen.

Mediocre? When have we even been mediocre? We stink.

[King Malta]

Until we trade KAT we will always be mediocre. You can't pay a #3 on a good team star money. He and DLO have to go before we can get this correct. Need to build around ANT..... I also think we need to trade McDaniels before all of his warts are seen.

Mediocre? When have we even been mediocre? We stink.

The hope was to be mediocre this year....with a team skirting the luxury tax. And we couldn't even do that

[Domejandro]

Until we trade KAT we will always be mediocre. You can't pay a #3 on a good team star money. He and DLO have to go before we can get this correct. Need to build around ANT..... I also think we need to trade McDaniels before all of his warts are seen.

“We will never be good until we trade literally the only positive impact player on the entire roster.”

[Note30]

Until we trade KAT we will always be mediocre. You can't pay a #3 on a good team star money. He and DLO have to go before we can get this correct. Need to build around ANT..... I also think we need to trade McDaniels before all of his warts are seen.

“We will never be good until we trade literally the only positive impact player on the entire roster.”

Positive statistically. He's not the guy that can lead our team, and unless we get a more mature older player to come in and take those reigns (we already tried that with Butler) he just isn't going to lay down and let Ant be the main leader on the team. He's also a flight risk at this point. Say what you want about his "hack" its where BS like that starts that leads to a trade request.

We won't be good as long as KAT has the context of being Minnesota's primary go to option. He just doesn't have it.

His positive impact hasn't led to winning all that many games in the past.

[Slim Tubby]

(/quote) Positive statistically. He's not the guy that can lead our team, and unless we get a more mature older player to come in and take those reigns (we already tried that with Butler) he just isn't going to lay down and let Ant be the main leader on the team. He's also a flight risk at this point. Say what you want about his "hack" its where BS like that starts that leads to a trade request.

We won't be good as long as KAT has the context of being Minnesota's primary go to option. He just doesn't have it.

His positive impact hasn't led to winning all that many games in the past.[/quote]

KAT's extremely talented but all of his issues are between his ears. He lacks emotional toughness and leadership skills.
The issue with trading KAT is we will NEVER get equal return value let alone win the trade.

[Note30]

(/quote) Positive statistically. He's not the guy that can lead our team, and unless we get a more mature older player to come in and take those reigns (we already tried that with Butler) he just isn't going to lay down and let Ant be the main leader on the team. He's also a flight risk at this point. Say what you want about his "hack" its where BS like that starts that leads to a trade request.

We won't be good as long as KAT has the context of being Minnesota's primary go to option. He just doesn't have it.

His positive impact hasn't led to winning all that many games in the past.

KAT's extremely talented but all of his issues are between his ears. He lacks emotional toughness and leadership skills.
The issue with trading KAT is we will NEVER get equal return value let alone win the trade.[/quote]

Yeah...

[Chello1]

(/quote) Positive statistically. He's not the guy that can lead our team, and unless we get a more mature older player to come in and take those reigns (we already tried that with Butler) he just isn't going to lay down and let Ant be the main leader on the team. He's also a flight risk at this point. Say what you want about his "hack" its where BS like that starts that leads to a trade request.

We won't be good as long as KAT has the context of being Minnesota's primary go to option. He just doesn't have it.

His positive impact hasn't led to winning all that many games in the past.

KAT's extremely talented but all of his issues are between his ears. He lacks emotional toughness and leadership skills.
The issue with trading KAT is we will NEVER get equal return value let alone win the trade.[/quote]


Ask the Wild how it has worked for them. Out with the soft players so you can become tougher as a team and actually improve with less talent. We can go to about 5-6 teams and trade KAT right now for a good haul. I like the Suns in a trade that includes Ayton and other things........

[Chello1]

Until we trade KAT we will always be mediocre. You can't pay a #3 on a good team star money. He and DLO have to go before we can get this correct. Need to build around ANT..... I also think we need to trade McDaniels before all of his warts are seen.

“We will never be good until we trade literally the only positive impact player on the entire roster.”

Seriously? Ant? And Kevin Love jr or KAt as we call him will never help us win because you can't have a toothless alpha and he is the epitome of that. He is just what Love was- a great Robin to someone elses Batman. When Jimmy Butler was here showed everyone what was up. We also do not want to get Ben Simmons- he is the same type of player.