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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#121 » by WindyCityBorn » Sun Nov 7, 2021 6:43 pm

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Jcool0 wrote:Pippen was always unlikable. Just who he is. Jordan felt slighted as a way to motivate himself. Pippen felt slighted because of his inferiority complex. Players might of liked him better because he wasn't on them like Jordan. But i don't remember Pippen ever being regarded as a great leader. He was just a great player.


Jordan is not likable or particularly good person from many things I’ve read.


Seems like an okay guy to me:

https://www.nba.com/news/jordan-jordan-brand-announced-100-million-donation


Might be now. I meant in the past. He definitely was not supporting any minority interests. Hence Republicans buy shoes too.
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Post#122 » by dougthonus » Sun Nov 7, 2021 6:52 pm

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Jordan is not likable or particularly good person from many things I’ve read.


Seems like an okay guy to me:

https://www.nba.com/news/jordan-jordan-brand-announced-100-million-donation


Might be now. I meant in the past. He definitely was not supporting any minority interests. Hence Republicans buy shoes too.


Does not getting involved in politics directly make him a bad guy?

I think Jordan (like all celebrities really) is judged on a weird scale. There's lots of things that might make you think he was a jerk. His outright bullying of Krause and other Bulls players as an example. Those weren't things that were required for him to win or make people better, it was him just being a jerk. However, he also gave of himself frequently to others (especially prior to his dad passing away) in ways that were very generous.
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#123 » by dice » Sun Nov 7, 2021 8:14 pm

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Jcool0 wrote:Pippen was always unlikable. Just who he is. Jordan felt slighted as a way to motivate himself. Pippen felt slighted because of his inferiority complex. Players might of liked him better because he wasn't on them like Jordan. But i don't remember Pippen ever being regarded as a great leader. He was just a great player.


Jordan is not likable or particularly good person from many things I’ve read.


Seems like an okay guy to me:

https://www.nba.com/news/jordan-jordan-brand-announced-100-million-donation

it could easily be argued that 10 mil a year for 10 years is a worthwhile investment in brand image. corporations do this kind of thing all the time...and their overriding priority is to make money for shareholders

MJ is a guy that has been criticized for staying mum on issues affecting the black community for over 30 years. he couldn't continue to do it given what was happening nationwide last year. the last thing he wants is a boycott of the seemingly impenetrable jordan brand
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Post#124 » by dougthonus » Mon Nov 8, 2021 12:49 am

dice wrote:it could easily be argued that 10 mil a year for 10 years is a worthwhile investment in brand image. corporations do this kind of thing all the time...and their overriding priority is to make money for shareholders

MJ is a guy that has been criticized for staying mum on issues affecting the black community for over 30 years. he couldn't continue to do it given what was happening nationwide last year. the last thing he wants is a boycott of the seemingly impenetrable jordan brand


I think he could have solved that problem without spending $100M.

I also think that while he's been criticized for not being vocal enough on civil rights this criticism has always been unfair. I think MJ being a superhero idol that was accessible to all people actually helped do more to bring people of different races together than if MJ were vigilantly striving for black rights. He helped in an entirely different way that he was uniquely capable of helping in. That's not to say he couldn't have done more or that he behaved this way because he thought it helped the most, I'm assuming his behavior was financially motivated, but I don't think it was nearly so detrimental as others seem to describe it as.

If I were going to go down the MJ was a jerk trail, that path would largely be with how he treated teammates and Jerry Krause. He was a bully and mean when it served even no purpose to people that were in the fox hole with him even if they weren't necessary people but the replaceable parts. Kindness is free, and Jordan seems to have been purposefully jerkish. This goes beyond motivating people but just the insults he'd throw at guys on the team bus for no reason.

At the same time, while I won't say Jordan is incredibly complex, the life and measurement of someone in Jordan's position of fame, wealth, and power, is simply not something easily assessed. The demands people make of him are also totally unreasonable frequently too.

Much like everyone is railing on Pippen for burning bridges with everyone he should be close to, Jordan isn't far behind there. He literally has no relationship with the Bulls, and that was true prior becoming owner of the Hornets. He doesn't seem close to any of his ex teammates, even guys like Barkley whom he was close to now seem to be on the outs. He's probably an a couple orders of magnitude brighter than Scottie when it comes to managing his image, but the outcome of his life hasn't really been all that different except that he's massively wealthier and so isn't resorting to wild cash grabs, however he seems equally insecure down to showing up players in practice in Charlotte in his 50s just to prove himself.
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#125 » by dice » Mon Nov 8, 2021 1:46 am

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dice wrote:it could easily be argued that 10 mil a year for 10 years is a worthwhile investment in brand image. corporations do this kind of thing all the time...and their overriding priority is to make money for shareholders

MJ is a guy that has been criticized for staying mum on issues affecting the black community for over 30 years. he couldn't continue to do it given what was happening nationwide last year. the last thing he wants is a boycott of the seemingly impenetrable jordan brand


I think he could have solved that problem without spending $100M.

probably so, but i don't think it's a coincidence that he never did this sort of thing until a nationwide movement
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#126 » by Jcool0 » Mon Nov 8, 2021 5:22 am

dice wrote:
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dice wrote:it could easily be argued that 10 mil a year for 10 years is a worthwhile investment in brand image. corporations do this kind of thing all the time...and their overriding priority is to make money for shareholders

MJ is a guy that has been criticized for staying mum on issues affecting the black community for over 30 years. he couldn't continue to do it given what was happening nationwide last year. the last thing he wants is a boycott of the seemingly impenetrable jordan brand


I think he could have solved that problem without spending $100M.

probably so, but i don't think it's a coincidence that he never did this sort of thing until a nationwide movement


He has always done things to help

Three years after Jordan committed $7 million to Novant Health, two clinics are providing care to communities in Charlotte with little or no health care...

..The first Novant Health Michael Jordan Family Medical Clinic opened in October 2019 and treated more than 3,500 patients. Earlier this year, it served as a Covid-19 screening and testing site, providing more than 13,000 tests.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/us/michael-jordan-second-clinic-charlotte/index.html
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#127 » by Michael Jackson » Mon Nov 8, 2021 5:57 am

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Might be now. I meant in the past. He definitely was not supporting any minority interests. Hence Republicans buy shoes too.


Does not getting involved in politics directly make him a bad guy?

I think Jordan (like all celebrities really) is judged on a weird scale. There's lots of things that might make you think he was a jerk. His outright bullying of Krause and other Bulls players as an example. Those weren't things that were required for him to win or make people better, it was him just being a jerk. However, he also gave of himself frequently to others (especially prior to his dad passing away) in ways that were very generous.



Jordan absolutely is not the nicest person around. From personal experiences though, he is nice also. He has done things for people in my life that he surely didn’t need to. He has a monster sized ego, but he isn’t all monster by any means. He is easy to pick on though because he is so revered. Isn’t that what we always do? I’m not saying the nitpicking isn’t justified, it surely is. I’m just saying often when we judge these people, we surely wouldn’t want to be held to the same standards.
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#128 » by kodo » Tue Nov 9, 2021 12:21 am

Pippen interview promoting his book.


He seems to take a different tone in the interview:
- "I thought it (TLA) was a great documentary"
- "We'll always have that respect for each other" (MJ)
- "Do you think Michael Jordan would be as successful without you?" "No, but I wouldn't be as successful without him."

Also said the last shot to Kukoc thing was in the heat of the moment, he doesn't feel that way anymore.
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Post#129 » by dougthonus » Tue Nov 9, 2021 12:22 am

Planning to get this tomorrow when it goes on sale, not sure how fast I'll read it though.
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#130 » by Michael Jackson » Tue Nov 9, 2021 12:42 am

kodo wrote:Pippen interview promoting his book.


He seems to take a different tone in the interview:
- "I thought it (TLA) was a great documentary"
- "We'll always have that respect for each other" (MJ)
- "Do you think Michael Jordan would be as successful without you?" "No, but I wouldn't be as successful without him."

Also said the last shot to Kukoc thing was in the heat of the moment, he doesn't feel that way anymore.



Maybe he was sober for this interview? Or he likes saying crazy things at times so that we are all still talking about him. Can't imagine someone who was married to a reality star could get that type of perception of the world.
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Post#131 » by erlim » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:58 am

Hmm. Jalen Rose is now probably Pippen’s favorite shooting guard that he ever played with on the Bulls.

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Post#132 » by dougthonus » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:13 pm

erlim wrote:Hmm. Jalen Rose is now probably Pippen’s favorite shooting guard that he ever played with on the Bulls.



Don't agree with Jalen Rose in this one, but just as a side note since you linked it, Jalen & Jacoby is now the best ESPN sports talk show left. Love those guys.
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#133 » by SfBull » Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:59 pm

I got a book´s sample and couldn´t stop reading.Seems like a great read.I´ll buy it.
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#134 » by BeKuK » Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:09 pm

To be honest....I am a kind of scared to read his book. He was my favorite player back than but I still have to learn and understand that their are to different Scottie Pippen's.

1. The player Scottie
2. The private Scottie

One of this two will be for ever one of the greatest ever.
For the other one I feel more than sorry.
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Post#135 » by Jo Jo English » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:30 pm

Ended up getting an e-mail from our library that I had this book on hold and it was there waiting for me to pick it up. Apparently I put my name on a list for it at some point in the past few months and had totally forgotten about it.

Ran and picked it up today. Should be interesting to occasionally page through over the next couple of weeks.
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Post#136 » by HomoSapien » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:00 am

Jo Jo English wrote:Ended up getting an e-mail from our library that I had this book on hold and it was there waiting for me to pick it up. Apparently I put my name on a list for it at some point in the past few months and had totally forgotten about it.

Ran and picked it up today. Should be interesting to occasionally page through over the next couple of weeks.


Let me know how badly it'll crush my childhood. Still haven't decided if I want to read it.

As a side note:

“Scottie called in one day and skipped practice because his cat died,” Pfeil said. “Horace called about fifteen minutes later and said he was with Scottie because of the grieving. Johnny Bach, our assistant coach, was absolutely furious. He got Horace on the phone and said, ‘You get here. You oughta throw the cat in the garbage can.’ Horace, when the team got together, wanted to have a moment of silence for Scottie’s cat.”


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Post#137 » by bullsnewdynasty » Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:38 am

We all know that the media has carefully crafted Jordan's image to be what it is today.

If the media wasn't in his back pocket, he'd be labeled a complete psychopath with a serious gambling addiction. Let's not forget that this is the same guy who punched out a teammate and literally bullied people on film yet all the media does is turn a blind eye. Remember when the NFL had a bullying scandal? That's peanuts compared to what Jordan did on a regular basis.

That's essentially what Pip is getting to with all of this, even though he was never the most articulate guy.
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Post#138 » by The Explorer » Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:10 pm


Read on Twitter


It just keeps getting worse. He's calling himself the greatest of all time in his book promotion interviews.
And per Kaplan, he's lying that Reinsdorf never said 'Don't sign the contract'.
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Re: Scottie in his book 

Post#139 » by dougthonus » Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:30 pm

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Read on Twitter


It just keeps getting worse. He's calling himself the greatest of all time in his book promotion interviews.
And per Kaplan, he's lying that Reinsdorf never said 'Don't sign the contract'.


Regardless of whether Jerry said that or didn't say that (and I doubt Jerry is lying about it to be honest), Scottie shouldn't be dependent on the other party in a negotiation for advice.
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Post#140 » by dougthonus » Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:31 pm

Added the book to my christmas wish list, so won't read it for awhile, but will get there eventually.

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