Around the NBA part 2 - Save Melo from Brodie

[thebuzzardman]

Can we talk about the fact that the Hawks ain't even good.

5 straight losses for the next east powerhouse

Huerter casually steps into their starting 5 and gets 28. The guy is legit.

Another player in the long list of players drafted after Knox who are far better.

I mean, the Knicks f*cked up the Frank pick, but other teams passed on Mitchell, not that he was lone player drafted after Frank that was better, but after Knox, feels like there are EASILY 7 players significantly better.

SGA
Bridges
Bridges
Huerter
Trent Jr (he went way late, so ok)
Anfernee Simons

Frank draft
D Mitchell
Bam
OG Anunoby
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
Josh Hart?

I guess the Knicks sucked equally bad in both drafts after all.

I'm glad it's a new regime. I mean, the Knicks haven't drafted as uniformly awfully as they did 20 years ago, but it's not as if they are knocking it out of the park the last 6 years either. Again, new FO has to be judged on the last 2 years. Early returns are they are "ok" but nothing special in terms of scouting and finding players. Probably average.

[spree2kawhi]

5 straight losses for the next east powerhouse

Huerter casually steps into their starting 5 and gets 28. The guy is legit.

Another player in the long list of players drafted after Knox who are far better.

I mean, the Knicks f*cked up the Frank pick, but other teams passed on Mitchell, not that he was lone player drafted after Frank that was better, but after Knox, feels like there are EASILY 7 players significantly better.

SGA
Bridges
Bridges
Huerter
Trent Jr (he went way late, so ok)
Anfernee Simons

Frank draft
D Mitchell
Bam
OG Anunoby
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
Josh Hart?

I guess the Knicks sucked equally bad in both drafts after all.

I'm glad it's a new regime. I mean, the Knicks haven't drafted as uniformly awfully as they did 20 years ago, but it's not as if they are knocking it out of the park the last 6 years either. Again, new FO has to be judged on the last 2 years. Early returns are they are "ok" but nothing special in terms of scouting and finding players. Probably average.

I think it is strange that there is such a plethora of wing talent around the league, yet we’ve been running out this mess until this recent summer. I still think our outside scoring looks patched together even at the moment. I just can’t see Fournier as a monumental addition.

Gary Trent was available to Toronto, the Hawks roster screams “Huerter is available“, “Look, they bring Reddish off the bench” or “Hey, do they really need Bogdanovic?”. Then there’s always a Buddy Hield here and a Lonnie Walker coming off the bench there.

[evevale]

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This segment needs to be renamed "JJ tries not to laugh at everything SAS says for 7 straight minutes" his facial expressions are precious. That said - he'll likely be removed from the show after this episode

[FrozenEnvelope]

Like what, they were really going to start a brawl? They have to be the most fugazi group I have ever seen.

[WargamesX]

Makes sense to split up those two but makes less sense for Boston to see Tatum and Simmons as working really well. Maybe a little better dunno.

I still think Harrison Barnes and Buddy Hield is a great return for Simmons… they might have been able to get that and a first rounder before all this drama, but right now Barnes & Hield would be a great come up

Embiid
Harris
Barnes
Hield
Maxey

Kormaz, Thybulle, Seth. Drummond And Danny Grewn on the bench. That is a strong playoff team, and who knows if Embiid stays healthy it’s a contender.

It would be very bad for the Kings.

They can do a team full of weak shooters:

Fox, Davion Mitchell, Simmons, Bagley and Holmes.

True but talent wise they could move some of that to build around the others. Fox, and Simmons on long contracts gives them a chance to build around that core. Davion, Bagley, Tyrese, and Holmes can be swapped for shooters as needed.

[WargamesX]

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This segment needs to be renamed "JJ tries not to laugh at everything SAS says for 7 straight minutes" his facial expressions are precious. That said - he'll likely be removed from the show after this episode

SAS is getting more and more difficult to work with…. They need to find him somebody who can laugh off what he says and then counter with their own points like Shannon. A independent thinker who isn’t a better thinker than SAS… just able to form their own opinions and play the “I am A side, you are B side” crossfire game these shows represent.

[Richard4444]

I still think Harrison Barnes and Buddy Hield is a great return for Simmons… they might have been able to get that and a first rounder before all this drama, but right now Barnes & Hield would be a great come up

Embiid
Harris
Barnes
Hield
Maxey

Kormaz, Thybulle, Seth. Drummond And Danny Grewn on the bench. That is a strong playoff team, and who knows if Embiid stays healthy it’s a contender.

It would be very bad for the Kings.

They can do a team full of weak shooters:

Fox, Davion Mitchell, Simmons, Bagley and Holmes.

True but talent wise they could move some of that to build around the others. Fox, and Simmons on long contracts gives them a chance to build around that core. Davion, Bagley, Tyrese, and Holmes can be swapped for shooters as needed.

I would not build a team around 2 bad shooters.

[spree2kawhi]

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This segment needs to be renamed "JJ tries not to laugh at everything SAS says for 7 straight minutes" his facial expressions are precious. That said - he'll likely be removed from the show after this episode

SAS is insufferable. I just can’t watch that. Miami will win it all though, book it.

[WajaBawl]

Huerter casually steps into their starting 5 and gets 28. The guy is legit.

Another player in the long list of players drafted after Knox who are far better.

I mean, the Knicks f*cked up the Frank pick, but other teams passed on Mitchell, not that he was lone player drafted after Frank that was better, but after Knox, feels like there are EASILY 7 players significantly better.

SGA
Bridges
Bridges
Huerter
Trent Jr (he went way late, so ok)
Anfernee Simons

Frank draft
D Mitchell
Bam
OG Anunoby
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
Josh Hart?

I guess the Knicks sucked equally bad in both drafts after all.

I'm glad it's a new regime. I mean, the Knicks haven't drafted as uniformly awfully as they did 20 years ago, but it's not as if they are knocking it out of the park the last 6 years either. Again, new FO has to be judged on the last 2 years. Early returns are they are "ok" but nothing special in terms of scouting and finding players. Probably average.

I think it is strange that there is such a plethora of wing talent around the league, yet we’ve been running out this mess until this recent summer. I still think our outside scoring looks patched together even at the moment. I just can’t see Fournier as a monumental addition.

Gary Trent was available to Toronto, the Hawks roster screams “Huerter is available“, “Look, they bring Reddish off the bench” or “Hey, do they really need Bogdanovic?”. Then there’s always a Buddy Hield here and a Lonnie Walker coming off the bench there.

I'd still kick the tires on a possible Reddish trade. Don't see any major trades happening for us this season so I'd aim for youngish bench players that aren't seeing a lot of daylight but have potential. Great size, fluid offensive game and could be molded into a good defensive player with Thibs holding him accountable. He's been pretty good for them this season so the price probably went up.

Also, f*ck the Hawks.

[spree2kawhi]

Another player in the long list of players drafted after Knox who are far better.

I mean, the Knicks f*cked up the Frank pick, but other teams passed on Mitchell, not that he was lone player drafted after Frank that was better, but after Knox, feels like there are EASILY 7 players significantly better.

SGA
Bridges
Bridges
Huerter
Trent Jr (he went way late, so ok)
Anfernee Simons

Frank draft
D Mitchell
Bam
OG Anunoby
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
Josh Hart?

I guess the Knicks sucked equally bad in both drafts after all.

I'm glad it's a new regime. I mean, the Knicks haven't drafted as uniformly awfully as they did 20 years ago, but it's not as if they are knocking it out of the park the last 6 years either. Again, new FO has to be judged on the last 2 years. Early returns are they are "ok" but nothing special in terms of scouting and finding players. Probably average.

I think it is strange that there is such a plethora of wing talent around the league, yet we’ve been running out this mess until this recent summer. I still think our outside scoring looks patched together even at the moment. I just can’t see Fournier as a monumental addition.

Gary Trent was available to Toronto, the Hawks roster screams “Huerter is available“, “Look, they bring Reddish off the bench” or “Hey, do they really need Bogdanovic?”. Then there’s always a Buddy Hield here and a Lonnie Walker coming off the bench there.

I'd still kick the tires on a possible Reddish trade. Don't see any major trades happening for us this season so I'd aim for youngish bench players that aren't seeing a lot of daylight but have potential. Great size, fluid offensive game and could be molded into a good defensive player with Thibs holding him accountable. He's been pretty good for them this season so the price probably went up.

Also, f*ck the Hawks.

We’re always late. Just look at Jerami Grant or Cole Anthony now.

[Reign23]

you guys are acting like those players would develop the same here as they do on other teams.

[DaGawd]

you guys are acting like those players would develop the same here as they do on other teams.

I mean when it’s that many other players better than the one you picked behind him that’s clearly an issue of talent mis evaluation tho.

[Reign23]

you guys are acting like those players would develop the same here as they do on other teams.

I mean when it’s that many other players better than the one you picked behind him that’s clearly an issue of talent mis evaluation tho.

yeah maybe, but we always take the put-the-vet-before-the-rook route. some guys don't develop the same when they are on such a short leash and only get 10-15 minutes a night. some others do, sure.

[thebuzzardman]

Huerter casually steps into their starting 5 and gets 28. The guy is legit.

Another player in the long list of players drafted after Knox who are far better.

I mean, the Knicks f*cked up the Frank pick, but other teams passed on Mitchell, not that he was lone player drafted after Frank that was better, but after Knox, feels like there are EASILY 7 players significantly better.

SGA
Bridges
Bridges
Huerter
Trent Jr (he went way late, so ok)
Anfernee Simons

Frank draft
D Mitchell
Bam
OG Anunoby
John Collins
Jarrett Allen
Josh Hart?

I guess the Knicks sucked equally bad in both drafts after all.

I'm glad it's a new regime. I mean, the Knicks haven't drafted as uniformly awfully as they did 20 years ago, but it's not as if they are knocking it out of the park the last 6 years either. Again, new FO has to be judged on the last 2 years. Early returns are they are "ok" but nothing special in terms of scouting and finding players. Probably average.

I think it is strange that there is such a plethora of wing talent around the league, yet we’ve been running out this mess until this recent summer. I still think our outside scoring looks patched together even at the moment. I just can’t see Fournier as a monumental addition.

Gary Trent was available to Toronto, the Hawks roster screams “Huerter is available“, “Look, they bring Reddish off the bench” or “Hey, do they really need Bogdanovic?”. Then there’s always a Buddy Hield here and a Lonnie Walker coming off the bench there.

Toronto traded for Trent Jr and lost Powell in that trade. I'm not sure how truly available he was. We probably could have driven up his price though.

[thebuzzardman]

you guys are acting like those players would develop the same here as they do on other teams.

I don't assume anything, personally.

It's really as simple as those players being objectively more talented. Or talented enough to show "being worth it" while under their first contract. I mean, Frank might pan out at age 25, or Knox at 24. But Frank is no longer a Knick and Knox is soon to be an ex Knick.
Probably both without any meaningful contribution while here and neither fetching even the smallest of assets on the way out.
At least DSJr and a 2nd rounder landed Rose.

[spree2kawhi]

you guys are acting like those players would develop the same here as they do on other teams.

I don't assume anything, personally.

It's really as simple as those players being objectively more talented. Or talented enough to show "being worth it" while under their first contract. I mean, Frank might pan out at age 25, or Knox at 24. But Frank is no longer a Knick and Knox is soon to be an ex Knick.
Probably both without any meaningful contribution while here and neither fetching even the smallest of assets on the way out.
At least DSJr and a 2nd rounder landed Rose.

Both Knox and Frank had very valuable tools and talent coming in. I’m not mad at that. What’s painful are our other bad decisions, the lack of direction, the mediocrity.

We should be going after talent hard, but we go after Fournier, or the corpse Kemba Walker. They aren’t bad players and these aren’t bad moves, but we could easily be looking at a roster of

Dejounte Murray (for KP back then)
Cole Anthony
RJ
Randle
Mitch

We’re not aggressively going after talent, even though we’re a middling team. The contracts are good, I get that. They might be included in trades soon, yes. I should be patient. But the roster above should be us right now.

All that said, I’m very much afraid we’ll land Simmons, who really isn’t what I consider a talent. It is already beyond me how we dodged the Lonzo bullet.

[thebuzzardman]

you guys are acting like those players would develop the same here as they do on other teams.

I don't assume anything, personally.

It's really as simple as those players being objectively more talented. Or talented enough to show "being worth it" while under their first contract. I mean, Frank might pan out at age 25, or Knox at 24. But Frank is no longer a Knick and Knox is soon to be an ex Knick.
Probably both without any meaningful contribution while here and neither fetching even the smallest of assets on the way out.
At least DSJr and a 2nd rounder landed Rose.

Both Knox and Frank had very valuable tools and talent coming in. I’m not mad at that. What’s painful are our other bad decisions, the lack of direction, the mediocrity.

We should be going after talent hard, but we go after Fournier, or the corpse Kemba Walker. They aren’t bad players and these aren’t bad moves, but we could easily be looking at a roster of

Dejounte Murray (for KP back then)
Cole Anthony
RJ
Randle
Mitch

We’re not aggressively going after talent, even though we’re a middling team. The contracts are good, I get that. They might be included in trades soon, yes. I should be patient. But the roster above should be us right now.

All that said, I’m very much afraid we’ll land Simmons, who really isn’t what I consider a talent. It is already beyond me how we dodged the Lonzo bullet.

The worst part of the Frank and Knox drafts are the consecutive poor picks. It's not fair to assume teams hit every time. There are ample examples of teams missing all over the place. The Knicks would be in a better place if they hit on just one of those guys, even if they keep/kept neither, where at least they'd fetch a pick on the wa out.

[nyknicks09]

Billy Donovan coaches really good. I’m liking his subs even after Patrick Williams ending season injury.

[3toheadmelo]

bulls are legit

[3toheadmelo]

melo automatic as soon as he checks in