Payton Pritchard vs Dennis Schroder

[Parliament10]

Schroder is a MUCH better basketball player then Pritchard at this point, he is a much better athlete and when locked in a better defender, he is a better driver. Pritchard is a better shooter but that is about it, yes Schroeder won;t be here next year, but I don't really see Pritchard as anything more then a nice backup, we don't need to sacrafie winning this year for his development.

This. -- Schröder is the better player this year, by far.
That's not to say that Pritchard couldn't be a future 6th-Man.

[playa-hater]

Schroder is a MUCH better basketball player then Pritchard at this point, he is a much better athlete and when locked in a better defender, he is a better driver. Pritchard is a better shooter but that is about it, yes Schroeder won;t be here next year, but I don't really see Pritchard as anything more then a nice backup, we don't need to sacrafie winning this year for his development.

This. -- Schröder is the better player this year, by far.
That's not to say that Pritchard couldn't be a future 6th-Man.

I have nothing against anyone who thinks DS is the better player and he may very well be but I definitely think people are underselling Peyton pritchard a lot. Just my 2 cents

[Hal14]

This is such a bad post. you can't all work "together" when there are limited amount of minutes and more players to fill them. This isn't everyone gets a participation trophy. Very tough decisions need to be made.

And while this team is no where near the catastrophe of Kyrie's last year, chemistry was greatly affected by playing time and touches etc.. Even Gordon Hayward left his boy Stevens, for a bigger role.

Seems like some here are not realizing how tough a job IME will have keeping everyone happy.

I believe Boston has some seriously good talent, But that alone won't be enough. They have to get it right. Unless of course finishing in 3rd or 4th place is all we expect.

1) I think you're overreacting, man. You made this post, why? Because all of a sudden you think that Pritchard/Nesmith/langford are superstars, because they played well against the bench scrubs on a Magic team that is probably going to be the worst team in the league this year? And they played well in summer league vs a bunch of G-leaguers? C'mon, let's be real.

2) It might seem right now like "oh no, we have 13 good players, how on earth can Ime play them all? But a) Injuries / COVID will happen so we're going to need the depth. We're not going to have everyone healthy all year. Hell, we don't even have everyone healthy right now - Brown has COVID and his wrist his still sore, Horford has COVID, Pritchard just broke his nose. And b) I think you might just have green goggles on, overhyping your favorite team's players.

3) The cream will rise to the top. The guys who earn minutes will get minutes. With every game this team plays, some players will play their way into the rotation, others will play their way out of the rotation. As the season goes on, we'll see players gain separation from each other. It'll all work out.

You think all of a sudden it will be all drama and players will be unhappy with their playing time? a) This isn't middle school or high school ball where players (and their parents who are even worse) complain to the coach and cause turmoil if their kid isn't playing enough. This is the NBA, these are professionals. You earn your minutes in practice/games. You play the minutes you're given and that's that. After the statement Ime made in the media about how he will not stand for his players complaining about calls to refs, do you really think any players are gonna b&tch about playing time? b) I might worry about this if Brad was still coach - he lost the locker room last season cause he could no longer deal with the players well - that should not be a concern with Ime

4) Depth is a good thing. You think we have 13 good players, huh? Hmm, let's see here, when was the last time we were that deep? 2008 when we won the championship. Nobody said a word in 2008 about "oh no, we have too many good players, how will Doc find minutes for them all? This will cause chemistry problems, oh no!"

5) Finishing 3rd or 4th place would be overachieving. The odds makers have us finishing 6th:

https://fansided.com/betsided/posts/nba-regular-season-win-totals-revealed-by-vegas-for-2021-2022

For the first BOLD, I haven't declared anyone "Superstars" do not misquote or exaggerate me to try to win a argument.

For the 2nd BOLD, you got the wrong guy heated. Can't stand posts like that. trying hard to be civil right now. I have been widely known for declaring my Faith in Nesmith since early last year, same for PP and since Summer league for Romeo. Saying I liked them Because "they played well against some G-leaguers in preseason game" is almost enough for me to press Ignore button" on you from here on out.

3rd Bold - injuries may help ease any coaching decisions. But injuries may not happen on a high level. 3 years ago, Rozier, Smart, Brown, GH, Tatum, Brown, Horford and our good friend Cyrie were all ready and Able and it became the biggest disaster and under achieved team in Boston history. Again that won't happen again on that level, but don't underestimate players trying to do too much, when there playing time becomes sporadic. Looking at J rich and DS as possibilities.

4th Bold is a joke. You say I am over hyping my fav players because I made a thread between what players between PP and DS should play more????? I think you're more upset that I declared Nesmith very good and deserving while you were the only one declaring Romeo over Nesmith. and While Romeo has looked good, you might be upset because your "hyped player" is losing out to Nesmith??

for the 5th and 6th Bold - "the cream will rise to the Top" and it will all work out" occasional happens.

Bold 6. the fact that you compared this team with a team 13 years ago that had veterans like KG, P Pierce Ray Allen and even Rondo to this team is laughable.

Last bold, If you think finishing 3rd or 4 place is "overachieving" than clearly you have lower standards for this team than I do. And since when do "odd makers" always or should I say EVER, get it right.

If you want to pick a side between the 2 choices go ahead, If not you can ignore. But don't put me or my thread on Blast. I will last back.

1) I never "declared Romeo over Nesmith". All I said was that I think they should be about even on the depth chart entering training camp - nothing more, nothing less.

What's with this "losing out to Nesmith" stuff? Again, we need to stop pitting our own players against each other. Both Romeo and Nesmith are on the Celtics. I want them both to succeed. This isn't football - they're not 2 guys competing for the starting QB job where only 1 of them can play. Romeo and Nesmith will both play.

Didn't you watch the Brown/Tatum interview last week? They commented how silly/ridiculous it is that they need to keep answering questions about their relationship. Why do they have to answer those silly/ridiculous questions? Because media and fans keep pitting them against each other.

2) I'm not putting you "on blast". I'm simply offering a different opinion. You're the one who said my post was "dumb" just because I disagreed with you.

3) Not going to respond to anything else - I think you're taking this too personally. It's just basketball - chill bro. My rule of thumb - if I start to get mad, I walk away from the keyboard for awhile

[playa-hater]

1) I think you're overreacting, man. You made this post, why? Because all of a sudden you think that Pritchard/Nesmith/langford are superstars, because they played well against the bench scrubs on a Magic team that is probably going to be the worst team in the league this year? And they played well in summer league vs a bunch of G-leaguers? C'mon, let's be real.

2) It might seem right now like "oh no, we have 13 good players, how on earth can Ime play them all? But a) Injuries / COVID will happen so we're going to need the depth. We're not going to have everyone healthy all year. Hell, we don't even have everyone healthy right now - Brown has COVID and his wrist his still sore, Horford has COVID, Pritchard just broke his nose. And b) I think you might just have green goggles on, overhyping your favorite team's players.

3) The cream will rise to the top. The guys who earn minutes will get minutes. With every game this team plays, some players will play their way into the rotation, others will play their way out of the rotation. As the season goes on, we'll see players gain separation from each other. It'll all work out.

You think all of a sudden it will be all drama and players will be unhappy with their playing time? a) This isn't middle school or high school ball where players (and their parents who are even worse) complain to the coach and cause turmoil if their kid isn't playing enough. This is the NBA, these are professionals. You earn your minutes in practice/games. You play the minutes you're given and that's that. After the statement Ime made in the media about how he will not stand for his players complaining about calls to refs, do you really think any players are gonna b&tch about playing time? b) I might worry about this if Brad was still coach - he lost the locker room last season cause he could no longer deal with the players well - that should not be a concern with Ime

4) Depth is a good thing. You think we have 13 good players, huh? Hmm, let's see here, when was the last time we were that deep? 2008 when we won the championship. Nobody said a word in 2008 about "oh no, we have too many good players, how will Doc find minutes for them all? This will cause chemistry problems, oh no!"

5) Finishing 3rd or 4th place would be overachieving. The odds makers have us finishing 6th:

https://fansided.com/betsided/posts/nba-regular-season-win-totals-revealed-by-vegas-for-2021-2022

For the first BOLD, I haven't declared anyone "Superstars" do not misquote or exaggerate me to try to win a argument.

For the 2nd BOLD, you got the wrong guy heated. Can't stand posts like that. trying hard to be civil right now. I have been widely known for declaring my Faith in Nesmith since early last year, same for PP and since Summer league for Romeo. Saying I liked them Because "they played well against some G-leaguers in preseason game" is almost enough for me to press Ignore button" on you from here on out.

3rd Bold - injuries may help ease any coaching decisions. But injuries may not happen on a high level. 3 years ago, Rozier, Smart, Brown, GH, Tatum, Brown, Horford and our good friend Cyrie were all ready and Able and it became the biggest disaster and under achieved team in Boston history. Again that won't happen again on that level, but don't underestimate players trying to do too much, when there playing time becomes sporadic. Looking at J rich and DS as possibilities.

4th Bold is a joke. You say I am over hyping my fav players because I made a thread between what players between PP and DS should play more????? I think you're more upset that I declared Nesmith very good and deserving while you were the only one declaring Romeo over Nesmith. and While Romeo has looked good, you might be upset because your "hyped player" is losing out to Nesmith??

for the 5th and 6th Bold - "the cream will rise to the Top" and it will all work out" occasional happens.

Bold 6. the fact that you compared this team with a team 13 years ago that had veterans like KG, P Pierce Ray Allen and even Rondo to this team is laughable.

Last bold, If you think finishing 3rd or 4 place is "overachieving" than clearly you have lower standards for this team than I do. And since when do "odd makers" always or should I say EVER, get it right.

If you want to pick a side between the 2 choices go ahead, If not you can ignore. But don't put me or my thread on Blast. I will last back.

1) I never "declared Romeo over Nesmith". All I said was that I think they should be about even on the depth chart entering training camp - nothing more, nothing less.

What's with this "losing out to Nesmith" stuff? Again, we need to stop pitting our own players against each other. Both Romeo and Nesmith are on the Celtics. I want them both to succeed. This isn't football - they're not 2 guys competing for the starting QB job where only 1 of them can play. Romeo and Nesmith will both play.

Didn't you watch the Brown/Tatum interview last week? They commented how silly/ridiculous it is that they need to keep answering questions about their relationship. Why do they have to answer those silly/ridiculous questions? Because media and fans keep pitting them against each other.

2) I'm not putting you "on blast". I'm simply offering a different opinion. You're the one who said my post was "dumb" just because I disagreed with you.

3) Not going to respond to anything else - I think you're taking this too personally. It's just basketball - chill bro. My rule of thumb - if I start to get mad, I walk away from the keyboard for awhile

Lol.. Your last sentence is the wisest .. Sometimes I need to follow it.

[ConnorHenry]

“For now, the guess here is Payton Pritchard may be the odd man out, at least until he gets the mask off,” wrote Robb. “With his shots not going down so far this year and his size limitations defensively while playing next to Dennis Schroder, he could become the odd man out until shots start falling for him again.”

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/payton-pritchard-odd-man-nesmith-langford/

[Jammer]

Well, my choice is both, but for a different reason.

Although I am on record saying that I would wait until the end of the season to evaluate the coaching staff and players fit with the team, I am ready to make Marcus Smart and Josh Richardson available for trade. What they could bring back, with their combined salaries, without supplementation is questionable, but I like Schroder and Pritch's fit/style better than Smart and Richardson's.

[return2glory]

Schroder needs to play and play a lot. We need to build up his value. There might be a team that's going to be making a deep playoff push and maybe they will be willing to give up a late 1st round pick for Schroder.

I don't see Pritchard playing much unless Schroder is traded.

Also the Celtics aren't need a legit pass first starting PG that can also shoot. Smart excelling as a starting PG is a long shot and he has been terrible so far this season in that role or an role actually.

[ParticleMan]

Schroder is a MUCH better basketball player then Pritchard at this point, he is a much better athlete and when locked in a better defender, he is a better driver. Pritchard is a better shooter but that is about it, yes Schroeder won;t be here next year, but I don't really see Pritchard as anything more then a nice backup, we don't need to sacrafie winning this year for his development.

This. -- Schröder is the better player this year, by far.
That's not to say that Pritchard couldn't be a future 6th-Man.

Thirded.
I think PP has a bright future but at this point it's not close. Schroeder got like 10 points entirely on his own in the last game by beating his man for layups, sometimes with the shotclock running down. That is a huge skill in the NBA and very rare on our team. And while I don't think Schroeder is a great defender, he is definitely better than PP right now. Size+strength matters on D.

[Brett43]

At this point, Schroeder is a much more polished player. He should be the starting point guard and the Celtics should consider signing him long term.

Pritchard has huge potential, and is the same height as Schroeder. But he's 5 years younger and only in his 2nd year, whereas Schroeder is in his 9th year.

This aside, I HATE how the coaching staff is using Pritchard. Far too often they have him dumping the ball off to Tatum or whoever and then standing in a corner waiting for a catch and shoot. Pritchard is a real point guard and is at his best when they allow him to play the position.

[jmr07019]

The player we need unfortunately is not on the roster. We need a shooter who isn't a defensive liability. You play Schroeder and you don't have the shooting. You play PP and he's small and can get picked on defensively. I think PP *might* have enough size to get by defensively but it's hard to tell. He's not Marcus Smart but he's not Kemba small either. PP gives you the potential for a higher ceiling. Schroeder gives you the higher floor.

[jfs1000d]

Dennis Schroeder is so much better than PP. ok. Let’s not even start that.

That said. We need PP’s shooting.


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[Big Baby]

Like the poll result, Payton has about 20% chance of remaining in Boston whereas Schroder has 60% of resigning with the Celtics. I say this based on my belief that the team, especially JT & JB, has had enough of Marcus Smart's antics. Think back to Danny Ainge saying Antoine had a bad grip on the team after trading him to Dallas. Smart's situation to me is eerily similar. So I think Smart will be traded by the deadline and guys like Payton and Richardson will be thrown in to make the numbers work and rebalance the roster. And I applaud Brad for locking him up to a team-friendly deal which makes Marcus that much more attractive.

[darrendaye]

Like the poll result, Payton has about 20% chance of remaining in Boston whereas Schroder has 60% of resigning with the Celtics. I say this based on my belief that the team, especially JT & JB, has had enough of Marcus Smart's antics. Think back to Danny Ainge saying Antoine had a bad grip on the team after trading him to Dallas. Smart's situation to me is eerily similar. So I think Smart will be traded by the deadline and guys like Payton and Richardson will be thrown in to make the numbers work and rebalance the roster. And I applaud Brad for locking him up to a team-friendly deal which makes Marcus that much more attractive.

I believe the C's are quite limited to how much they could offer Schroder as they do not have any Bird rights with him only signing for one year. I'd argue Pritchard's odds are a bit higher to remain in Boston unless he can't replicate his shooting performance from his rookie year or if they can find a 40% 3pt shooter with similar deep range elsewhere. Admittedly I don't know where to find stats to verify (or reject) this, but, eye test tells me he's the best on the roster at hitting deep 3's which is a desirable trait in forcing the opposition to guard well beyond the arc.

As to the basic vs. argument, well, Schroder definitely has the upper hand now because the offense needs his ability to get into the paint without much assistance, compounded by Tatum's struggles. Defensively I believe Pritchard can produce similar steals rate but Schroder better equipped to press and keep his man in front of him. I do like PP's bulk and willingness to battle for boards.

[Fencer reregistered]

Like the poll result, Payton has about 20% chance of remaining in Boston whereas Schroder has 60% of resigning with the Celtics. I say this based on my belief that the team, especially JT & JB, has had enough of Marcus Smart's antics. Think back to Danny Ainge saying Antoine had a bad grip on the team after trading him to Dallas. Smart's situation to me is eerily similar. So I think Smart will be traded by the deadline and guys like Payton and Richardson will be thrown in to make the numbers work and rebalance the roster. And I applaud Brad for locking him up to a team-friendly deal which makes Marcus that much more attractive.

I believe the C's are quite limited to how much they could offer Schroder as they do not have any Bird rights with him only signing for one year. I'd argue Pritchard's odds are a bit higher to remain in Boston unless he can't replicate his shooting performance from his rookie year or if they can find a 40% 3pt shooter with similar deep range elsewhere. Admittedly I don't know where to find stats to verify (or reject) this, but, eye test tells me he's the best on the roster at hitting deep 3's which is a desirable trait in forcing the opposition to guard well beyond the arc.

As to the basic vs. argument, well, Schroder definitely has the upper hand now because the offense needs his ability to get into the paint without much assistance, compounded by Tatum's struggles. Defensively I believe Pritchard can produce similar steals rate but Schroder better equipped to press and keep his man in front of him. I do like PP's bulk and willingness to battle for boards.

Indeed. I'm pretty fed up with the number of threads in which people (sometimes me) have to keep pointing the same thing out.

[Zeroforwinger]

Schroder needs to play and play a lot. We need to build up his value. There might be a team that's going to be making a deep playoff push and maybe they will be willing to give up a late 1st round pick for Schroder.

I don't see Pritchard playing much unless Schroder is traded.

Also the Celtics aren't need a legit pass first starting PG that can also shoot. Smart excelling as a starting PG is a long shot and he has been terrible so far this season in that role or an role actually.

Assuming we’re a Top 4 in the East team around the trade deadline I’d rather just keep Schroder and see what happens in the playoffs. A late 1st rounder doesn’t mean anything.

Also, just in the general discussion Schroder is clearly the better player between him and PP. It seems like the plan this year is to give the first bench minutes to veteran players and make the young guys earn it. So far, none of the young guys are performing at a consistent level.

[BillessuR6]

What is the most we can offer Schröder next season?

[PierceFan4ever]

This shouldn’t be a debate, it’s Dennis by a mile. I like PP, but he’s a huge liability on defense. There’s a reason why he barely played in the Nets series because he was getting scored on with ease and still seems like that’s an issue. He also struggles to rebound due to height. He can shoot but he isn’t going to put up many points. He’s got fight but idk, I dont really think of PP as an important piece for our bench at the moment.

[darrendaye]

For purpose of visual stimulation should this conversation advance further....

Watch on YouTube

Previously stated things I like about his game (and there are others), but, one thing that concerned me was his propensity to pick up his dribble in the paint. In the highlights clip you see some craftiness, but he's got to reduce those instances.

[return2glory]

Great to see Schroder have a monster game tonight with 38 points.

Again, let's not forget Schroder averaged 19 points a game 2 seasons ago, coming off the Thunder bench. He also did that while shooting 39% in his 3s and 84% at the line.

[BostonCouchGM]

This shouldn’t be a debate, it’s Dennis by a mile. I like PP, but he’s a huge liability on defense. There’s a reason why he barely played in the Nets series because he was getting scored on with ease and still seems like that’s an issue. He also struggles to rebound due to height. He can shoot but he isn’t going to put up many points. He’s got fight but idk, I dont really think of PP as an important piece for our bench at the moment.

you're just making shite up because he's a well above average defender who holds his own despite his physical limitations. Now, is he a poser who defends guys coming up the court to impress casuals and make people believe he's a good defender like Schroder? Nope. It's so laughable that Pritchard is supposedly too short yet people are clamoring for guys he's bigger than i.e. FVV and Lowry. too funny. I'm just going to stop. People are getting dumb and it's not worth responding to tbh