2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Spida888]

If Siakam is getting traded, these three teams might want him: Warriors, Bulls and Hawks

Young players we could get back:

Warriors: Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman
Hawks: Reddish,Onyeka,Johnson
Bulls: PWill,Coby

Celtics fan here. I bet the Celtics would love to trade for Siakam as long as Tatum and Brown are off the table.

Players you could get back (feel free to add pick(s) as well):

Robert Williams: Elite rim protector. Amazing physical tools. One of the best rim runners in the NBA. He has more field goals from alleyoops this season than 25 other teams. No 3pt range, but decent mid-range jumper. Willing passer. Can't put the ball on the floor to save his life.

Smart: Arguably the second most versatile/switchable guard defender in the NBA behind only Ben Simmons (who ain't exactly a guard to begin with). I reckon he'd be a terrific fit on the Raps defense. You guys are loaded with switchable defenders. He's a reliable PnR ball handler as well. Streaky shooter. Shot selection is an ongoing issue.

Nesmith: 3+D wing. He rarely puts the ball on the floor.

Langford: Can do a little bit of everything. Very good defender. Decent slasher, ball handler and passer. His shooting numbers are eye-catching this season. Not sure whether they are sustainable.

Pritchard: Impressive ball handling skills. Very good shooter with deep range. Undersized. Lacks the athleticism to consistently beat his opponent 1-on-1. Very limited team defender.

Salary fillers:

Josh Richardson: Swiss-army-knife type of wing. Can do a little bit of everything. Excels at nothing. A vet version of Langford.

Hernangomez: practically an expiring cause his contract is non-guaranteed for next season

Pascal would definitely help the Celtics, but I don't think we are good trading partners. Personally, I lean more towards trading Pascal for young assets, but none of the Boston prospects interest me too much except for maybe Timelord.

On top of that, we are in the same division, so it'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if you guys end up thriving for years to come after the trade.

[Spida888]

Bagley situation in Sacramento is getting worse as time goes on. He’s still just 22 and Sacramento sucks at player development, so I think he’s still worth a shot

I wonder if they’d do Flynn + Boucher for Bagley and maybe a 2nd

Just saw this...... I'm not even sure I'd want Bagley after those antics. Definitely not worth sacrificing Flynn.

Bagley refusing to check in, only to see Sacramento spark a huge comeback vs Phoenix with Metu and Damion Jones made Bagley look even worse now.

Like Julian Wright refusing to check in with us, only to end up dominating in a league like CBA. That's Bagley's future.

Agreed, don't really want Bagley if we need to give up Flynn. I'm not high on Flynn but he's on a low rookie salary for a few years while Bagley is on his contract year.

Bagley is pretty bad on defense as well. If it's for Boucher straight up sure. Or maybe down the road if Pascal is available for trade, then he can be filler salary (ex. Thompson + Bagley + Mitchell/Haliburton + picks).

[BryceMaxJames]

Pascal for Bagley and Buddy H I would do in a heartbeat. With this current roster Bagley fits better that Pascal and fits our timeline. People are forgetting he is a number 2 pick, it's SAC that failed him as the fail all their good players.

[douggood]

Pascal for Bagley and Buddy H I would do in a heartbeat. With this current roster Bagley fits better that Pascal and fits our timeline. People are forgetting he is a number 2 pick, it's SAC that failed him as the fail all their good players.

josh jackson was 4th pick
dragon bender 5th
kris dunn was 5th pick.


kings also developed fox, Halliburton

at some point the fault lies with the player

terrible trade.

[Madhouse]

Pascal for Bagley and Buddy H I would do in a heartbeat. With this current roster Bagley fits better that Pascal and fits our timeline. People are forgetting he is a number 2 pick, it's SAC that failed him as the fail all their good players.

Bagley sucks. This can't be a real idea.

[ItsDanger]

Bagley is an interesting reclamation project. Flaws are bad defense, injuries, left hand dominate, attitude? I think he has to play the 5 which he hasn't for the most part there.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Bagley doesn't make sense because we'd have to go into the tax to trade for him (unless there is some unrealistic salary-neutral Goran deal where we can get him). The only way he's coming here is if we sign him in the offseason.

[Morris_Shatford]

Pascal for Bagley and Buddy H I would do in a heartbeat. With this current roster Bagley fits better that Pascal and fits our timeline. People are forgetting he is a number 2 pick, it's SAC that failed him as the fail all their good players.

josh jackson was 4th pick
dragon bender 5th
kris dunn was 5th pick.

kings also developed fox, Halliburton

at some point the fault lies with the player

terrible trade.

I tend to agree;
Sooner or later as terrible as the Kings management has been there has to be some responsibility on Bagley.

For a team that largely requires you to earn your minutes based on defense, I am not convinced he doesn't end up with a string of DNP-CDs very quickly after arriving in Toronto.

[DangerZone13]

Orlando is going to be in an awkward position this summer with their bigs situation, having already invested long term in Isaac and WCJ, and Bamba is looking like he's putting the pieces together, he'll be looking for a good contract this summer too. I'm not sure how the Raptors could manoeuvre his restricted free agency, but I think he could grow to be the perfect 5 for our system. Sort of like a taller Ibaka. Masai loves Achiuwa, so perhaps we could develop them into a two-headed monster 5, one with ball handling, one with lane intimidation.

I'm sure Orlando will wait to see where Isaac is with his knee before making a move, but maybe there's a 3 way to be made that gets Orlando a piece that makes them comfortable sending Bamba to Toronto.

Not saying he should be the main get in a potential Siakam deal, but I'd love to see this folded into it if it happened. *this isn't to say I think moving Siakam is the right move just yet, I'm a Spicy fan, andthey still need some time to adapt, but if it's not working come Deadline, Scottie and OG are the priority.

[Raptors_128]

Orlando is going to be in an awkward position this summer with their bigs situation, having already invested long term in Isaac and WCJ, and Bamba is looking like he's putting the pieces together, he'll be looking for a good contract this summer too. I'm not sure how the Raptors could manoeuvre his restricted free agency, but I think he could grow to be the perfect 5 for our system. Sort of like a taller Ibaka. Masai loves Achiuwa, so perhaps we could develop them into a two-headed monster 5, one with ball handling, one with lane intimidation.

I'm sure Orlando will wait to see where Isaac is with his knee before making a move, but maybe there's a 3 way to be made that gets Orlando a piece that makes them comfortable sending Bamba to Toronto.

Not saying he should be the main get in a potential Siakam deal, but I'd love to see this folded into it if it happened. *this isn't to say I think moving Siakam is the right move just yet, I'm a Spicy fan, andthey still need some time to adapt, but if it's not working come Deadline, Scottie and OG are the priority.

I would trade Precious for Bamba right now if they didn’t want to pay him.

[10giz]

Siakam is not being traded. Before I wasn't sure. Now, no chance.

We finally have players that can allow him to play his ideal role.

Arguably the mosts lethal defensive trio in all of basketball.

Masai's vision is OG - Siakam - Barnes as a three headed dragon and he will give them a chance to do their thing.

[vanhill]

I would like to trade for Yurtseven, gafford and Portis..if the asking price is reasonable.
I don't mind to sign a ten day contract for free agents and G league standout as well like Giles, Oturu,Labissière...
They are all players with good potential..just need to show up with 100% effort

[Madhouse]

Siakam is not being traded. Before I wasn't sure. Now, no chance.

We finally have players that can allow him to play his ideal role.

Arguably the mosts lethal defensive trio in all of basketball.

Masai's vision is OG - Siakam - Barnes as a three headed dragon and he will give them a chance to do their thing.

He'll get traded. Masai will give it a couple months but eventually he will be moved.

[Bowdystuda]

After last night, I am pretty sure we are still in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes. Here's my reason why:

1- If we are trading for Simmons, and Pascal is somehow not involved (which I dont think with each passing day) then our best trade assets moving forward for this year are Fred VanVleet and Chris Boucher. Maybe Flynn and Dragic but thier stock has dropped a ton with no minutes.

2- They Played the hell out Fred and Boucher last night. Fred getting those minutes, is normal but not Boucher recently. Fred shot 22 shots. Only the 2nd time over 20 this season. They wanted Fred to look good. Same with Boucher and He actually delivered a very solid game. Trying to show Philly what they can bring.

3- Could have played Pascal, even in limited minutes but kept him out with Embiid out as well, so if we beat Philly up, they could say ur at full health and we are missing our best player. With Siakam out, that was no longer an excuse.

4- It seemed Doc was trying to counter us making Fred look good and raising his stock in Phillys eyes by him feeding Maxey all night and making him look good, so Philly can say that they are not in a dire need of a PG, if Maxey plays solid. Which he did. Last night he had a career game.

5- Although Ben would come with character issues, there are VERY similar parallels to Kawhi. Both wanted out of thier organizations due to how health issues were treated and how they were treated unfairly when they spoke out about it. Although, a couple other issues as well but Both of thier stocks had gone down because of it, and it scared off other teams into giving a premium for them. Raps took a risk on Kawhi coming into one of the best organizations and changing his tune. He did and we have a chip for it. I think the Raps think they can do the same thing with Simmons except we wont have to worry about Ben leaving the next year as he has 4 years on his contract.

6- Simmons does fit what we are trying to do. Tall, long wingspan, guys who can play great d and be able to switch on d to almost any player. That is the way they are building the team. Anything else they dont have as skills, Toronto has the best development staff in the league. If they cant get the best out of Simmons, who can? Simmons fits all of that we are trying to do.

7- Scottie Barnes!!! Scottie has to be one of the most lovable players in the NBA. A legit culture changer in terms of the way he plays (not a me first guy) and his personality. He would make Ben feel like the star he is. He would bring his confidence up. Get him shots maybe he wouldn't get playing with Embiid. Put him in position to succeed. I guarantee it. Plus, how can you not be happy being around that guy all of the time.

8- Nick Nurse and the way he wants to play d.The defence we would be setting up could legit crush the league. Imagine being an opposing star player and you are either getting guarded by Simmons, OG or Barnes? Or being guarded by Ben, then you switch and it OG or Barnes defending you? Good luck with that. Simmons is defensive player runner up last year. We all know OG should have been in that convo as well to a degree. Barnes can guard 1 through 4 at least and will only get better. Siakam can guard as well and Trent Jr has blossomed this year somehow. Dude is all over the place getting deflections and steals.

If Ben continues to sit out, and we get past the date where recently signed players can be traded, I have a weird feeling, it we US who ends up with Ben Simmons.

To Toronto: Ben Simmons

To Philly: Fred Van Vleet, Chris Boucher, Svi Mykhailiuk, 2024 1st round pick (Top 3 protected) and 2023 2nd round pick.

It is not the haul Morey was expecting, but I think it will be the best he can do before the deadline, especially if Ben continues to sit, which he is. No one is giving him the STAR he wants, and Fred is the next best thing.

PG- Ben Simmons/ Dalano Banton
SG- Gary Trent Jr/Malachi Flynn
SF- Scottie Barnes/Yuta Watanabe/Issac Bongo
PF- OG Anunoby/Precious Achiuwa
C- Pascal Siakam/Khem Birch

[Morris_Shatford]

Orlando is going to be in an awkward position this summer with their bigs situation, having already invested long term in Isaac and WCJ, and Bamba is looking like he's putting the pieces together, he'll be looking for a good contract this summer too. I'm not sure how the Raptors could maneuver his restricted free agency, but I think he could grow to be the perfect 5 for our system. Sort of like a taller Ibaka. Masai loves Achiuwa, so perhaps we could develop them into a two-headed monster 5, one with ball handling, one with lane intimidation.

I'm sure Orlando will wait to see where Isaac is with his knee before making a move, but maybe there's a 3 way to be made that gets Orlando a piece that makes them comfortable sending Bamba to Toronto.

I tend to agree that Orlando likely moves on from Bamba this season;

You have 70 and 50m respectively committed to Issacs and WCJ and I would imagine that if Bamba's play continues at the rate its going he potentially ends up earning a contract somewhere in that Issac / WCJ range and I am not sure if Orlando is looking to have that many years and dollars committed to three guys occupying the same space.

Bamba's minutes doubled this season and his % across the board are trending at career highs (FG, 3PT, FT, etc);
He isn't setting the world on fire but he is tossing up a respectable 12/9 w/ 2 blocks in around 30MPG

The upside with a guy like Precious is that we have 2.5 more seasons to evaluate him in our system before we have to pay him, in Bambas case you are potentially committing a lot of money this summer after watching him in your system for a few dozen games.

I like him and I would trade for him, but I think the cost right now is likely far higher than I am would want to pay.

[CANsportsguru]

Pascal for Bagley and Buddy H I would do in a heartbeat. With this current roster Bagley fits better that Pascal and fits our timeline. People are forgetting he is a number 2 pick, it's SAC that failed him as the fail all their good players.

That's a horrible trade for Pascal. GS would offer a much more competitive package for him.

[Psubs]

Orlando is going to be in an awkward position this summer with their bigs situation, having already invested long term in Isaac and WCJ, and Bamba is looking like he's putting the pieces together, he'll be looking for a good contract this summer too. I'm not sure how the Raptors could maneuver his restricted free agency, but I think he could grow to be the perfect 5 for our system. Sort of like a taller Ibaka. Masai loves Achiuwa, so perhaps we could develop them into a two-headed monster 5, one with ball handling, one with lane intimidation.

I'm sure Orlando will wait to see where Isaac is with his knee before making a move, but maybe there's a 3 way to be made that gets Orlando a piece that makes them comfortable sending Bamba to Toronto.

I tend to agree that Orlando likely moves on from Bamba this season;

You have 70 and 50m respectively committed to Issacs and WCJ and I would imagine that if Bamba's play continues at the rate its going he potentially ends up earning a contract somewhere in that Issac / WCJ range and I am not sure if Orlando is looking to have that many years and dollars committed to three guys occupying the same space.

Bamba's minutes doubled this season and his % across the board are trending at career highs (FG, 3PT, FT, etc);
He isn't setting the world on fire but he is tossing up a respectable 12/9 w/ 2 blocks in around 30MPG

The upside with a guy like Precious is that we have 2.5 more seasons to evaluate him in our system before we have to pay him, in Bambas case you are potentially committing a lot of money this summer after watching him in your system for a few dozen games.

I like him and I would trade for him, but I think the cost right now is likely far higher than I am would want to pay.

Isaac might be be injury prone his whole career. Looks like they'll add a top 5 pick again, while Gary Harris is a $20 million expiring. Maybe they move on from Ross?

PG Anthony
SG Suggs
SF Wagner
PF Bamba
C Carter

[Morris_Shatford]

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Isaac might be be injury prone his whole career. Looks like they'll add a top 5 pick again, while Gary Harris is a $20 million expiring. Maybe they move on from Ross?

PG Anthony
SG Suggs
SF Wagner
PF Bamba
C Carter

Issac may very well be injury prone for the rest of his career;
The issue is the Magic are on the hook for 70m over the next four seasons with him and I think you almost have to factor him into the long term plans on that alone.

They may sign Bamba this summer just to cover themselves, but then you have Carter, Issac, and Bamba all making some serious cash to occupy a lot of the same space.

With that said, maybe Bamba is worth more on a long term deal? (assuming its not crazy)

[Morris_Shatford]

While it may not be the most appealing option out there;

If we need some size at the five and we don't want to a major trade or part with significant assets I think a guy like Naz Reid in Nurse's system becomes stronger player who is already a pretty good player.

[tecumseh18]

After last night, I am pretty sure we are still in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes. Here's my reason why:

.....

If Ben continues to sit out, and we get past the date where recently signed players can be traded, I have a weird feeling, it we US who ends up with Ben Simmons.

To Toronto: Ben Simmons

To Philly: Fred Van Vleet, Chris Boucher, Svi Mykhailiuk, 2024 1st round pick (Top 3 protected) and 2023 2nd round pick.

It is not the haul Morey was expecting, but I think it will be the best he can do before the deadline, especially if Ben continues to sit, which he is. No one is giving him the STAR he wants, and Fred is the next best thing.

So your cure for the Raptors' shooting woes is to trade three of our actual shooters - who incidentally won us the game last night - for a headcase who can't/won't shoot.

Makes sense. Not.