Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[TheFinishSniper]

Fields is growing in confidence. You can see he's a gamer and he has IT.

Imagine if he had 1st team reps back in camp and Jenkins and Borom didn't get injured? OC is finally learning how to use his speed too.

If Pace hires the right coach and has a good draft and offseason we could be good next season.

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

[fleet]

Fields is growing in confidence. You can see he's a gamer and he has IT.

Imagine if he had 1st team reps back in camp and Jenkins and Borom didn't get injured? OC is finally learning how to use his speed too.

If Pace hires the right coach and has a good draft and offseason we could be good next season.

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

[Susan]

Fields is growing in confidence. You can see he's a gamer and he has IT.

Imagine if he had 1st team reps back in camp and Jenkins and Borom didn't get injured? OC is finally learning how to use his speed too.

If Pace hires the right coach and has a good draft and offseason we could be good next season.

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Who makes it to and wins in the playoffs? Teams with franchise QBs.

This draft might be Pace's best - Fields being the major prize but if Jenkins/Borom pan out that's a hell of a draft. Franchise QB, good KR/2nd RB in Herbert, good depth Dlinemen in Tonga and we'll see what's up with those tackles.

2020 - Kmet, Johnson, Mooney - 3 starters + Vildor/Gipson (we'll see)
2019 - Montgomery, Duke Shelley - 1 high level starter/borderline Pro Bowler + Shelley who's turning into a decent slot corner
2018 - Roquan, James Daniels, Bilial Nichols - 1 pro bolwer, 2 good starters
2017 - Cohen/EJax - long term starter at FS and a good 3rd down back/PR in Cohen
2016 - Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Bush, DHC, Howard - Floyd is a high level starter after being hampered by injuries, Whitehair has been a good starter, Kwiat/Bush and DHC are are all good depth players and Howard was a hell of a back for us in his first two years
2015 - Goldman/Amos - 2 NFL starters

If you are getting multiple starters in every draft (and don't forget they used 2 1st rounders on Mack) and you've hit on a franchise QB, you're probably going to be good.

IMO here's the 3 biggest factors when it comes to winning franchises:
1. Franchise QB - nothing else is as important as this, longterm winning without one is next to impossible
T2. Excellent HC - Hires good coordinators, puts his players in positions to win and develop
T2. Excellent drafting - most cost effective way to bring in talent

The Bears have been middle of the road over the past 4 years due to mostly bottom tier QB play and what I'd call average coaching (good to great defensive coaching, mostly bad offensive coaching). They've been pushed up by their drafting and drafting becomes a lot easier when you've nailed the QB play and hopefully find an upgrade at HC.

[Bulls69]

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Who makes it to and wins in the playoffs? Teams with franchise QBs.

This draft might be Pace's best - Fields being the major prize but if Jenkins/Borom pan out that's a hell of a draft. Franchise QB, good KR/2nd RB in Herbert, good depth Dlinemen in Tonga and we'll see what's up with those tackles.

2020 - Kmet, Johnson, Mooney - 3 starters + Vildor/Gipson (we'll see)
2019 - Montgomery, Duke Shelley - 1 high level starter/borderline Pro Bowler + Shelley who's turning into a decent slot corner
2018 - Roquan, James Daniels, Bilial Nichols - 1 pro bolwer, 2 good starters
2017 - Cohen/EJax - long term starter at FS and a good 3rd down back/PR in Cohen
2016 - Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Bush, DHC, Howard - Floyd is a high level starter after being hampered by injuries, Whitehair has been a good starter, Kwiat/Bush and DHC are are all good depth players and Howard was a hell of a back for us in his first two years
2015 - Goldman/Amos - 2 NFL starters

If you are getting multiple starters in every draft (and don't forget they used 2 1st rounders on Mack) and you've hit on a franchise QB, you're probably going to be good.

IMO here's the 3 biggest factors when it comes to winning franchises:
1. Franchise QB - nothing else is as important as this, longterm winning without one is next to impossible
T2. Excellent HC - Hires good coordinators, puts his players in positions to win and develop
T2. Excellent drafting - most cost effective way to bring in talent

The Bears have been middle of the road over the past 4 years due to mostly bottom tier QB play and what I'd call average coaching (good to great defensive coaching, mostly bad offensive coaching). They've been pushed up by their drafting and drafting becomes a lot easier when you've nailed the QB play and hopefully find an upgrade at HC.

I think the Bears needs a center in a bad way with our 2 round I'm wishing for a Big WR to replace AROB then let's fix the Center position. It's almost a guarantee Nagy will be gone outside of a miracle run all the way to the Super Bowl.

[Susan]

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Who makes it to and wins in the playoffs? Teams with franchise QBs.

This draft might be Pace's best - Fields being the major prize but if Jenkins/Borom pan out that's a hell of a draft. Franchise QB, good KR/2nd RB in Herbert, good depth Dlinemen in Tonga and we'll see what's up with those tackles.

2020 - Kmet, Johnson, Mooney - 3 starters + Vildor/Gipson (we'll see)
2019 - Montgomery, Duke Shelley - 1 high level starter/borderline Pro Bowler + Shelley who's turning into a decent slot corner
2018 - Roquan, James Daniels, Bilial Nichols - 1 pro bolwer, 2 good starters
2017 - Cohen/EJax - long term starter at FS and a good 3rd down back/PR in Cohen
2016 - Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Bush, DHC, Howard - Floyd is a high level starter after being hampered by injuries, Whitehair has been a good starter, Kwiat/Bush and DHC are are all good depth players and Howard was a hell of a back for us in his first two years
2015 - Goldman/Amos - 2 NFL starters

If you are getting multiple starters in every draft (and don't forget they used 2 1st rounders on Mack) and you've hit on a franchise QB, you're probably going to be good.

IMO here's the 3 biggest factors when it comes to winning franchises:
1. Franchise QB - nothing else is as important as this, longterm winning without one is next to impossible
T2. Excellent HC - Hires good coordinators, puts his players in positions to win and develop
T2. Excellent drafting - most cost effective way to bring in talent

The Bears have been middle of the road over the past 4 years due to mostly bottom tier QB play and what I'd call average coaching (good to great defensive coaching, mostly bad offensive coaching). They've been pushed up by their drafting and drafting becomes a lot easier when you've nailed the QB play and hopefully find an upgrade at HC.

I think the Bears needs a center in a bad way with our 2 round I'm wishing a WR to replace AROB then let's fix the Center position.

A real strong safety to help EJax go back to his old role, as many pass catching options as possible and you can never have enough talented pass rushers.

[Susan]

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[fleet]

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Amazing what reps can do for a talented QB. And you can only get reps with reps. Not by holding the clipboard wearing a ballcap.

The Sims mea culpa was enjoyable. He is shocked.

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[dice]

Going for the FG instead of a hail mary was what annoyed me tremendously. You probably have an equal chance of either, give your young QB a chance.

there was zero chance of making the field goal. this is a guy that nagy has never trusted on long field goals. and then he sends him in there on a streak-snapper suicide mission

supposedly you can see nagy asking the special teams coach prior to the last pass attempt what santos's max length is. the response is 60 yards. probably wouldn't have made it from 55

[dice]

PFF QB grades at midseason:

91.3 brady
90.7 tannehill
90.4 cousins
89.0 herbert
85.6 murray
85.4 ryan
85.0 burrow
83.0 jones
82.7 prescott
82.5 carr
82.1 hurts
81.9 jackson
81.3 rodgers
80.0 allen
78.8 stafford
78.4 bridgewater
78.3 brissett
76.1 mayfield
72.4 mahomes
70.6 wentz
67.7 garoppolo
64.6 fields
62.6 darnold
62.0 goff
59.5 wilson
59.3 mills
57.9 heinicke
57.7 big ben
57.0 lawrence

[Dresden]

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Who makes it to and wins in the playoffs? Teams with franchise QBs.

This draft might be Pace's best - Fields being the major prize but if Jenkins/Borom pan out that's a hell of a draft. Franchise QB, good KR/2nd RB in Herbert, good depth Dlinemen in Tonga and we'll see what's up with those tackles.

2020 - Kmet, Johnson, Mooney - 3 starters + Vildor/Gipson (we'll see)
2019 - Montgomery, Duke Shelley - 1 high level starter/borderline Pro Bowler + Shelley who's turning into a decent slot corner
2018 - Roquan, James Daniels, Bilial Nichols - 1 pro bolwer, 2 good starters
2017 - Cohen/EJax - long term starter at FS and a good 3rd down back/PR in Cohen
2016 - Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Bush, DHC, Howard - Floyd is a high level starter after being hampered by injuries, Whitehair has been a good starter, Kwiat/Bush and DHC are are all good depth players and Howard was a hell of a back for us in his first two years
2015 - Goldman/Amos - 2 NFL starters

If you are getting multiple starters in every draft (and don't forget they used 2 1st rounders on Mack) and you've hit on a franchise QB, you're probably going to be good.

IMO here's the 3 biggest factors when it comes to winning franchises:
1. Franchise QB - nothing else is as important as this, longterm winning without one is next to impossible
T2. Excellent HC - Hires good coordinators, puts his players in positions to win and develop
T2. Excellent drafting - most cost effective way to bring in talent

The Bears have been middle of the road over the past 4 years due to mostly bottom tier QB play and what I'd call average coaching (good to great defensive coaching, mostly bad offensive coaching). They've been pushed up by their drafting and drafting becomes a lot easier when you've nailed the QB play and hopefully find an upgrade at HC.

I agree- once you have the franchise QB in place, it makes it much easier to build around that. And it's not a given that Fields will be that kind of player, but we're hoping he is. And yes, if we end up getting a starting left tackle, starting guard, franchise QB and high level RB out of this last draft, it has to be considered an excellent draft.

Pace, from what I've read, is regarded as having done a pretty good job in the draft EXCEPT on his high picks like Mitch, Floyd, and White. Which of course sucks. But he hasn't been that bad at the other picks.

[The Explorer]

Fields is growing in confidence. You can see he's a gamer and he has IT.

Imagine if he had 1st team reps back in camp and Jenkins and Borom didn't get injured? OC is finally learning how to use his speed too.

If Pace hires the right coach and has a good draft and offseason we could be good next season.

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Borom looks good so far going up against Bosa and Watt, although its early.
Kmet looks like he has turned the corner
Mooney has turned into a #1 target
Jaylon Johnson has been graded among the top CBs so far
Trevis Gipson has had some strong moments as well
Roquan is one of the best middle linebackers in the league
And Fields is already looking better than every other bears qb

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Pace's drafting has been good. The reason why they have 1 winning season in 7 years is because of his other mistake - Nagy.

[TheFinishSniper]

I agree- once you have the franchise QB in place, it makes it much easier to build around that. And it's not a given that Fields will be that kind of player, but we're hoping he is. And yes, if we end up getting a starting left tackle, starting guard, franchise QB and high level RB out of this last draft, it has to be considered an excellent draft.

Pace, from what I've read, is regarded as having done a pretty good job in the draft EXCEPT on his high picks like Mitch, Floyd, and White. Which of course sucks. But he hasn't been that bad at the other picks.

There is nothing which says Fields is franchise QB but nothing it says he wont be. All you can say is he looks legit to be in league. He is improving from game to game. And he is getting more comfortable on field. And at this point you need to feel a bit slighted that he wasnt getting first team reps during camp. We know whos fault and mistake is that. There is reason why his job is on the line.

Because it's clear that Fields "bad plays" have more with that than his talent to recognize and make plays at all. Ofcourse some actual game experience is needed to learn what you can do or not, but instincts are there.

So at this point you really aint worried about possibly picking in next draft another quarterback, but choosing someone to complement that quarterback well. And if you head is already moving in that direction it means you likely nailed that pick.

[fleet]

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Borom looks good so far going up against Bosa and Watt, although its early.
Kmet looks like he has turned the corner
Mooney has turned into a #1 target
Jaylon Johnson has been graded among the top CBs so far
Trevis Gipson has had some strong moments as well
Roquan is one of the best middle linebackers in the league
And Fields is already looking better than every other bears qb

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Pace's drafting has been good. The reason why they have 1 winning season in 7 years is because of his other mistake - Nagy.

There’s no real evidence his drafting is any better than the average GM out there. Every time guys put together these lists, it is entirely subjective to call it good. Everyone should notice when they look at the opposing sideline, they have players over there too. Unless someone does a league-wide comparison of Pace’s record against these other teams, the evaluation is kind of ridiculous. We do know Pace’s W-L record and lack of playoffs success. Plus the wasting of picks trading up. Anyway if you wanted to call his drafting good, he must suck out loud at everything else.

[Susan]

Looking forward to getting back from the bye and getting Mack, EJax, Hicks and Jenkins rested up. That coupled with Monty already coming back and Fields very clearly leveling up before our eyes, the last part of the season is going to be a lot of fun. Kmet is coming along nicely as well.

[Susan]

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Who makes it to and wins in the playoffs? Teams with franchise QBs.

This draft might be Pace's best - Fields being the major prize but if Jenkins/Borom pan out that's a hell of a draft. Franchise QB, good KR/2nd RB in Herbert, good depth Dlinemen in Tonga and we'll see what's up with those tackles.

2020 - Kmet, Johnson, Mooney - 3 starters + Vildor/Gipson (we'll see)
2019 - Montgomery, Duke Shelley - 1 high level starter/borderline Pro Bowler + Shelley who's turning into a decent slot corner
2018 - Roquan, James Daniels, Bilial Nichols - 1 pro bolwer, 2 good starters
2017 - Cohen/EJax - long term starter at FS and a good 3rd down back/PR in Cohen
2016 - Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Bush, DHC, Howard - Floyd is a high level starter after being hampered by injuries, Whitehair has been a good starter, Kwiat/Bush and DHC are are all good depth players and Howard was a hell of a back for us in his first two years
2015 - Goldman/Amos - 2 NFL starters

If you are getting multiple starters in every draft (and don't forget they used 2 1st rounders on Mack) and you've hit on a franchise QB, you're probably going to be good.

IMO here's the 3 biggest factors when it comes to winning franchises:
1. Franchise QB - nothing else is as important as this, longterm winning without one is next to impossible
T2. Excellent HC - Hires good coordinators, puts his players in positions to win and develop
T2. Excellent drafting - most cost effective way to bring in talent

The Bears have been middle of the road over the past 4 years due to mostly bottom tier QB play and what I'd call average coaching (good to great defensive coaching, mostly bad offensive coaching). They've been pushed up by their drafting and drafting becomes a lot easier when you've nailed the QB play and hopefully find an upgrade at HC.

I agree- once you have the franchise QB in place, it makes it much easier to build around that. And it's not a given that Fields will be that kind of player, but we're hoping he is. And yes, if we end up getting a starting left tackle, starting guard, franchise QB and high level RB out of this last draft, it has to be considered an excellent draft.

Pace, from what I've read, is regarded as having done a pretty good job in the draft EXCEPT on his high picks like Mitch, Floyd, and White. Which of course sucks. But he hasn't been that bad at the other picks.

Floyd was a good pick, he just struggled with injuries early and we couldn't justify paying him based on that but he had 10+ sacks last year, 7.5 already this year (8th in the NFL). He's a really good player that just took a minute to hit his peak but he was good when he was with us and now is playing great.

And I think the swing and miss on Mitch and home run on Justin has an impact on the rest of Pace's drafting. Kmet with Fields is going to look really freaking good, probably wouldn't have with Mitch. Anthony Miller flamed out but if you had a legit QB here, who knows how he was going to pan out. A franchise QB just does so much for a team when it comes to developing other players.

[Dresden]

If Pace is good at anything is being at draft. Having chance to draft real talent with our 2nd round pick. But I still dont want him picking coach. Fields deserve good NFL coach. And I am not sure Bears are willing to hire and spend on established coach while paying Nagy not to coach.

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Borom looks good so far going up against Bosa and Watt, although its early.
Kmet looks like he has turned the corner
Mooney has turned into a #1 target
Jaylon Johnson has been graded among the top CBs so far
Trevis Gipson has had some strong moments as well
Roquan is one of the best middle linebackers in the league
And Fields is already looking better than every other bears qb

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Pace's drafting has been good. The reason why they have 1 winning season in 7 years is because of his other mistake - Nagy.

Mitch was a much bigger mistake than Nagy- by about 100 times. That move set us back a good 2-3 years.

[Dresden]

Who makes it to and wins in the playoffs? Teams with franchise QBs.

This draft might be Pace's best - Fields being the major prize but if Jenkins/Borom pan out that's a hell of a draft. Franchise QB, good KR/2nd RB in Herbert, good depth Dlinemen in Tonga and we'll see what's up with those tackles.

2020 - Kmet, Johnson, Mooney - 3 starters + Vildor/Gipson (we'll see)
2019 - Montgomery, Duke Shelley - 1 high level starter/borderline Pro Bowler + Shelley who's turning into a decent slot corner
2018 - Roquan, James Daniels, Bilial Nichols - 1 pro bolwer, 2 good starters
2017 - Cohen/EJax - long term starter at FS and a good 3rd down back/PR in Cohen
2016 - Floyd, Whitehair, Kwiatkoski, Bush, DHC, Howard - Floyd is a high level starter after being hampered by injuries, Whitehair has been a good starter, Kwiat/Bush and DHC are are all good depth players and Howard was a hell of a back for us in his first two years
2015 - Goldman/Amos - 2 NFL starters

If you are getting multiple starters in every draft (and don't forget they used 2 1st rounders on Mack) and you've hit on a franchise QB, you're probably going to be good.

IMO here's the 3 biggest factors when it comes to winning franchises:
1. Franchise QB - nothing else is as important as this, longterm winning without one is next to impossible
T2. Excellent HC - Hires good coordinators, puts his players in positions to win and develop
T2. Excellent drafting - most cost effective way to bring in talent

The Bears have been middle of the road over the past 4 years due to mostly bottom tier QB play and what I'd call average coaching (good to great defensive coaching, mostly bad offensive coaching). They've been pushed up by their drafting and drafting becomes a lot easier when you've nailed the QB play and hopefully find an upgrade at HC.

I agree- once you have the franchise QB in place, it makes it much easier to build around that. And it's not a given that Fields will be that kind of player, but we're hoping he is. And yes, if we end up getting a starting left tackle, starting guard, franchise QB and high level RB out of this last draft, it has to be considered an excellent draft.

Pace, from what I've read, is regarded as having done a pretty good job in the draft EXCEPT on his high picks like Mitch, Floyd, and White. Which of course sucks. But he hasn't been that bad at the other picks.

Floyd was a good pick, he just struggled with injuries early and we couldn't justify paying him based on that but he had 10+ sacks last year, 7.5 already this year (8th in the NFL). He's a really good player that just took a minute to hit his peak but he was good when he was with us and now is playing great.

And I think the swing and miss on Mitch and home run on Justin has an impact on the rest of Pace's drafting. Kmet with Fields is going to look really freaking good, probably wouldn't have with Mitch. Anthony Miller flamed out but if you had a legit QB here, who knows how he was going to pan out. A franchise QB just does so much for a team when it comes to developing other players.

I agree Floyd turned out to be worth where he was drafted, so can't blame that on Pace either. A shame they couldn't get that kind of production out of him here.

[MAQ]

I keep seeing this repeatedly by some fans, but there is not much empirical evidence to back it up. One winning season and zero playoffs wins in 7 years should be counting as empirical evidence questioning the veracity of such statements.

Borom looks good so far going up against Bosa and Watt, although its early.
Kmet looks like he has turned the corner
Mooney has turned into a #1 target
Jaylon Johnson has been graded among the top CBs so far
Trevis Gipson has had some strong moments as well
Roquan is one of the best middle linebackers in the league
And Fields is already looking better than every other bears qb

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Pace's drafting has been good. The reason why they have 1 winning season in 7 years is because of his other mistake - Nagy.

There’s no real evidence his drafting is any better than the average GM out there. Every time guys put together these lists, it is entirely subjective to call it good. Everyone should notice when they look at the opposing sideline, they have players over there too. Unless someone does a league-wide comparison of Pace’s record against these other teams, the evaluation is kind of ridiculous. We do know Pace’s W-L record and lack of playoffs success. Plus the wasting of picks trading up. Anyway if you wanted to call his drafting good, he must suck out loud at everything else.

Agreed. To point out his success and not his major misses is a extremely flawed way to look at this team.

It's in football hell in part because of his major mismanagement of the draft. This team's core should be Kevin White, Mitch Trubisky, Leonard Floyd and Adam Shaheen. All 1st/2nd rounders. Some acquired via multiple picks. None still on the team. So we spend money on Allen Robinson, Jimmy Graham, Andy Dalton, draft capital on Nick Foles. This team has been woefully mismanaged and a major reason why is because they failed in the draft.

[Susan]

Borom looks good so far going up against Bosa and Watt, although its early.
Kmet looks like he has turned the corner
Mooney has turned into a #1 target
Jaylon Johnson has been graded among the top CBs so far
Trevis Gipson has had some strong moments as well
Roquan is one of the best middle linebackers in the league
And Fields is already looking better than every other bears qb

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Pace's drafting has been good. The reason why they have 1 winning season in 7 years is because of his other mistake - Nagy.

There’s no real evidence his drafting is any better than the average GM out there. Every time guys put together these lists, it is entirely subjective to call it good. Everyone should notice when they look at the opposing sideline, they have players over there too. Unless someone does a league-wide comparison of Pace’s record against these other teams, the evaluation is kind of ridiculous. We do know Pace’s W-L record and lack of playoffs success. Plus the wasting of picks trading up. Anyway if you wanted to call his drafting good, he must suck out loud at everything else.

Agreed. To point out his success and not his major misses is a extremely flawed way to look at this team.

It's in football hell in part because of his major mismanagement of the draft. This team's core should be Kevin White, Mitch Trubisky, Leonard Floyd and Adam Shaheen. All 1st/2nd rounders. Some acquired via multiple picks. None still on the team. So we spend money on Allen Robinson, Jimmy Graham, Andy Dalton, draft capital on Nick Foles. This team has been woefully mismanaged and a major reason why is because they failed in the draft.

-White was a bad pick because he broke his leg twice. You cannot put that on the GM/ this is the most violent game on earth and these things happen.
-Floyd was replaced by Robert Quinn who after being seriously injured all of last year has played really well for us this year - Floyd was a slight disappointment for us (partly due to injuries) and has come on as a top flight edge rusher. Not a bad pick, really getting not that terrible of a move to pick up Quinn instead considering his peak.
-Mitch was a terrible pick, the ownership group knew this last year and Pace got another swing and hit it out of the park
-Shaheen/Miller both flamed out in part due to injuries and bad attitude - bad picks in hindsight but Miller

Pace's other 2nd rounders - Goldman (still here), Whitehair (still here), James Daniels (about to get paid), Kmet (starting and coming on strong), Jaylon (he's been excellent) and Jenkins (incomplete but he's about to hit the field).

So of the 7 2nd rounders, we're at 5 that are still on the team and contributing. I don't have the data in front of me but I'd venture to guess that this is well above average for a GM, so to pick out his

If they were going to get rid of Pace, it was going to be last year. All of your points were relevant last year but they gave him another shot, he hit a grand slam and we've got Justin Fields now. If they were leery of him, they would have nixed the Fields trade in the first place but they didn't, he's here and the franchise is better off because of it.

[dice]

There’s no real evidence his drafting is any better than the average GM out there. Every time guys put together these lists, it is entirely subjective to call it good. Everyone should notice when they look at the opposing sideline, they have players over there too. Unless someone does a league-wide comparison of Pace’s record against these other teams, the evaluation is kind of ridiculous. We do know Pace’s W-L record and lack of playoffs success. Plus the wasting of picks trading up. Anyway if you wanted to call his drafting good, he must suck out loud at everything else.

Agreed. To point out his success and not his major misses is a extremely flawed way to look at this team.

It's in football hell in part because of his major mismanagement of the draft. This team's core should be Kevin White, Mitch Trubisky, Leonard Floyd and Adam Shaheen. All 1st/2nd rounders. Some acquired via multiple picks. None still on the team. So we spend money on Allen Robinson, Jimmy Graham, Andy Dalton, draft capital on Nick Foles. This team has been woefully mismanaged and a major reason why is because they failed in the draft.

-White was a bad pick because he broke his leg twice. You cannot put that on the GM/ this is the most violent game on earth and these things happen.
-Floyd was replaced by Robert Quinn who after being seriously injured all of last year has played really well for us this year - Floyd was a slight disappointment for us (partly due to injuries) and has come on as a top flight edge rusher. Not a bad pick, really getting not that terrible of a move to pick up Quinn instead considering his peak.
-Mitch was a terrible pick, the ownership group knew this last year and Pace got another swing and hit it out of the park
-Shaheen/Miller both flamed out in part due to injuries and bad attitude - bad picks in hindsight but Miller

Pace's other 2nd rounders - Goldman (still here), Whitehair (still here), James Daniels (about to get paid), Kmet (starting and coming on strong), Jaylon (he's been excellent) and Jenkins (incomplete but he's about to hit the field).

So of the 7 2nd rounders, we're at 5 that are still on the team and contributing. I don't have the data in front of me but I'd venture to guess that this is well above average for a GM, so to pick out his

If they were going to get rid of Pace, it was going to be last year. All of your points were relevant last year but they gave him another shot, he hit a grand slam and we've got Justin Fields now. If they were leery of him, they would have nixed the Fields trade in the first place but they didn't, he's here and the franchise is better off because of it.

trubisky was at least as productive as a rookie as fields has been as a rookie, so your continued assertions that pace has "hit it out of the park" with fields is at the very least premature. particularly when they guy pace passed on (mac jones) has been much better as a rookie

there are 2 things we know for sure: 1) pace thought that trubisky was head and shoulders better as a prospect than mahomes and watson, and 2) like pretty much everybody else, he thought that fields was a significantly better prospect than jones