The Official Jalen Suggs Thread

[OrlMagic05]

Some of you argued with me in the draft thread when I said Gilbert Arenas was right about Suggs.. I rewatched his interview about Suggs and Gilbert was 100% correct about him.

Agent 0 pointed out that in the Baylor game Suggs could not get past anyone and only had 2 points when playing 1on1. All his other points came from hustle plays like offensive rebounds or cuts.

Another strong reason why I dont think Suggs is a PG. I hope Suggs gets it together, but so far he has been a disappointment.

Agent 0...Guy who talked ish about Luka’s game but then admitted he was wrong.

2 other TEAMS were also wrong about Luka.. Agent 0 has been right so far about Suggs. He doesnt have the handles to be a lead guard and cant get past anyone. What there is not true?

[tiderulz]

Some of you argued with me in the draft thread when I said Gilbert Arenas was right about Suggs.. I rewatched his interview about Suggs and Gilbert was 100% correct about him.

Agent 0 pointed out that in the Baylor game Suggs could not get past anyone and only had 2 points when playing 1on1. All his other points came from hustle plays like offensive rebounds or cuts.

Another strong reason why I dont think Suggs is a PG. I hope Suggs gets it together, but so far he has been a disappointment.

Agent 0...Guy who talked ish about Luka’s game but then admitted he was wrong.

2 other TEAMS were also wrong about Luka.. Agent 0 has been right so far about Suggs. He doesnt have the handles to be a lead guard and cant get past anyone. What there is not true?

his view on Suggs was predicated that Suggs didnt go 1 on 5 in the championship game.

[JF5]

Some of you argued with me in the draft thread when I said Gilbert Arenas was right about Suggs.. I rewatched his interview about Suggs and Gilbert was 100% correct about him.

Agent 0 pointed out that in the Baylor game Suggs could not get past anyone and only had 2 points when playing 1on1. All his other points came from hustle plays like offensive rebounds or cuts.

Another strong reason why I dont think Suggs is a PG. I hope Suggs gets it together, but so far he has been a disappointment.

You giving up on Suggs entirely a few games into his rookie season?

Not giving up on him. All I said was Gilbert's assessment on Suggs was spot on. Can Suggs score playing 1 on 1 right now? nope. Can he shoot? nope. Majority of his points are coming off hustle plays which Gilbert also mentioned. Not saying Suggs is a bust and surely hope he turns everything around, but as of THIS MOMENT, Agent 0 has been right about Suggs.

Yeah Gil was spot on about this one... Funny we're now looking at Suggs as a "From Scratch" Project at this point compared to what we thought he was in Summer League which was a guy who would make an immediate impact from the get go. Right now he's more suited to be a bench role player. But I think it is a blessing in disguise for him to be Starting from the get go as he'll have better confidence going to back to bench and facing bench guys when Fultz is 100% ready to start again.

What I initially thought would take 1-2 seasons looks like it might be 3-5 years in Good Player development to get where he needs to be, which most people on this board won't like to hear to a realistic trajectory of Suggs.

[JF5]

Agent 0...Guy who talked ish about Luka’s game but then admitted he was wrong.

2 other TEAMS were also wrong about Luka.. Agent 0 has been right so far about Suggs. He doesnt have the handles to be a lead guard and cant get past anyone. What there is not true?

his view on Suggs was predicated that Suggs didnt go 1 on 5 in the championship game.

I honestly didn't get that sentiment from Gil. I think he was alluding to Suggs not being able to provide a team a bucket when they need their best player to do so in an iso situation when the team really needs points. TBH every great team ever had that guy. When your offense isn't working you give it to the guy who can get you points until your whole offensive structure gets back on track.

Like we're all mentioning/seeing now Suggs does not have that ability AT ALL. He can barely dribble past anyone unless its a straight line and if he does he immediately gets stripped/loses the ball every time.

[OrlMagic05]

2 other TEAMS were also wrong about Luka.. Agent 0 has been right so far about Suggs. He doesnt have the handles to be a lead guard and cant get past anyone. What there is not true?

his view on Suggs was predicated that Suggs didnt go 1 on 5 in the championship game.

I honestly didn't get that sentiment from Gil. I think he was alluding to Suggs not being able to provide a team a bucket when they need their best player to do so in an iso situation when the team really needs points. TBH every great team ever had that guy. When your offense isn't working you give it to the guy who can get you points until your whole offensive structure gets back on track.

Like we're all mentioning/seeing now Suggs does not have that ability AT ALL. He can barely dribble past anyone unless its a straight line and if he does he immediately gets stripped/loses the ball every time.

This is the part that worries me about Suggs. Not trying to be funny, but I think he has small hands and has a hard time holding on to the ball.

[tiderulz]

2 other TEAMS were also wrong about Luka.. Agent 0 has been right so far about Suggs. He doesnt have the handles to be a lead guard and cant get past anyone. What there is not true?

his view on Suggs was predicated that Suggs didnt go 1 on 5 in the championship game.

I honestly didn't get that sentiment from Gil. I think he was alluding to Suggs not being able to provide a team a bucket when they need their best player to do so in an iso situation when the team really needs points. TBH every great team ever had that guy. When your offense isn't working you give it to the guy who can get you points until your whole offensive structure gets back on track.

Like we're all mentioning/seeing now Suggs does not have that ability AT ALL. He can barely dribble past anyone unless its a straight line and if he does he immediately gets stripped/loses the ball every time.

i watched him go out and get buckets quite a few times during his time at Gonzaga. He was also playing PG, not playing off-ball like we are doing to him now. I have faith in him and will wait more than 10 games to declare him any type of bust

[JF5]

his view on Suggs was predicated that Suggs didnt go 1 on 5 in the championship game.

I honestly didn't get that sentiment from Gil. I think he was alluding to Suggs not being able to provide a team a bucket when they need their best player to do so in an iso situation when the team really needs points. TBH every great team ever had that guy. When your offense isn't working you give it to the guy who can get you points until your whole offensive structure gets back on track.

Like we're all mentioning/seeing now Suggs does not have that ability AT ALL. He can barely dribble past anyone unless its a straight line and if he does he immediately gets stripped/loses the ball every time.

i watched him go out and get buckets quite a few times during his time at Gonzaga. He was also playing PG, not playing off-ball like we are doing to him now. I have faith in him and will wait more than 10 games to declare him any type of bust

Nobody is saying he's a bust right now... The conversation is just focused on his skill-set and abilities coming into the league and where he goes from here. He belongs in the NBA as he has a good IQ and is already a pretty good defender/good passer. But he's clearly a project who needs a lot of seasoning/help to develop.

What Gil mentioned is true. Especially in the title game which he referenced. Gonzaga was needing somebody to just try to bring them back into game as they were struggling to score with their offensive structure for the whole game, but more specifically down the stretch. An argument could be made about player hierarchy and Coaches typically overriding players who want to go iso for a team concept. But they needed Suggs to be that guy and he wasn't able to do it when the moment called for it.

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I honestly didn't get that sentiment from Gil. I think he was alluding to Suggs not being able to provide a team a bucket when they need their best player to do so in an iso situation when the team really needs points. TBH every great team ever had that guy. When your offense isn't working you give it to the guy who can get you points until your whole offensive structure gets back on track.

Like we're all mentioning/seeing now Suggs does not have that ability AT ALL. He can barely dribble past anyone unless its a straight line and if he does he immediately gets stripped/loses the ball every time.

i watched him go out and get buckets quite a few times during his time at Gonzaga. He was also playing PG, not playing off-ball like we are doing to him now. I have faith in him and will wait more than 10 games to declare him any type of bust

Nobody is saying he's a bust right now... The conversation is just focused on his skill-set and abilities coming into the league and where he goes from here. He belongs in the NBA as he has a good IQ and is already a pretty good defender/good passer. But he's clearly a project who needs a lot of seasoning/help to develop.

What Gil mentioned is true. Especially in the title game which he referenced. Gonzaga was needing somebody to just try to bring them back into game as they were struggling to score with their offensive structure for the whole game, but more specifically down the stretch. An argument could be made about player hierarchy and Coaches typically overriding players who want to go iso for a team concept. But they needed Suggs to be that guy and he wasn't able to do it when the moment called for it.

Look.

Gilbert Arenas could go out and get a bucket. He knows about that much. He didn’t win games. So who gives a **** what he has to say. Suggs’ whole game is about being a floor general, playmaker, and defensive presence. The opposite of Gilbert Arenas.

That skill set is going to take longer to adjust to the nba compared to that of Cole Anthony taking 20 shots a game scoring on volume something that arguably translates easier. Not to say that isn’t also important, but I’d argue it’s an infinitely more crucial skill set for winning consistently on a professional level.

There are a handful of guys that can step in an run an offense in year 1. Suggs isn’t one of them. Shocking (not really). Hell, we aren’t even halfway through the goddamn season and people are saying **** like Gilbert **** Arenas is an arbiter on what point guards should be doing for “winning basketball”. Give me a **** break.

[OrlMagic05]

i watched him go out and get buckets quite a few times during his time at Gonzaga. He was also playing PG, not playing off-ball like we are doing to him now. I have faith in him and will wait more than 10 games to declare him any type of bust

Nobody is saying he's a bust right now... The conversation is just focused on his skill-set and abilities coming into the league and where he goes from here. He belongs in the NBA as he has a good IQ and is already a pretty good defender/good passer. But he's clearly a project who needs a lot of seasoning/help to develop.

What Gil mentioned is true. Especially in the title game which he referenced. Gonzaga was needing somebody to just try to bring them back into game as they were struggling to score with their offensive structure for the whole game, but more specifically down the stretch. An argument could be made about player hierarchy and Coaches typically overriding players who want to go iso for a team concept. But they needed Suggs to be that guy and he wasn't able to do it when the moment called for it.

Look.

Gilbert Arenas could go out and get a bucket. He knows about that much. He didn’t win games. So who gives a **** what he has to say. Suggs’ whole game is about being a floor general, playmaker, and defensive presence. The opposite of Gilbert Arenas.

That skill set is going to take longer to adjust to the nba compared to that of Cole Anthony taking 20 shots a game scoring on volume something that arguably translates easier. Not to say that isn’t also important, but I’d argue it’s an infinitely more crucial skill set for winning consistently on a professional level.

There are a handful of guys that can step in an run an offense in year 1. Suggs isn’t one of them. Shocking (not really). Hell, we aren’t even halfway through the goddamn season and people are saying **** like Gilbert **** Arenas is an arbiter on what point guards should be doing for “winning basketball”. Give me a **** break.

Clearly you do not like Gilbert Arenas... But he is right about Suggs SO FAR(So far being the key term). Not saying Gilbert's opinion is going to be how Suggs' career turns out, but as of today Gilbert's analysis of Suggs' game is correct.

I am not concerned about Suggs when it comes to play making/defense, however, I am concerned that he can't hold on to the ball and his 1/1 assist to turnover ration is abysmal. I get we are only 12 games into the season, but the fact that he has had two games shooting above 40% (42% & 43%), four games shooting 30% and SIX!! games shooting 20% is concerning. I hope I am wrong, but I am getting Marcus Smart vibes out of Suggs.

[RookieStar]

Still not worried about Suggs. If he's still playing this bad after the all-star break I'll worry.

Cmon, all-star break? He is a rookie. I kinda wanna see a full summer of training with a NBA program and see if what developments happen.

I mean, am I the only one here who isn't spoiled by a Luka-like rookie that produces from day 1?

I'll start to worry if his handles, meaning he gets tripped a lot still, is still not there during next season.

[RookieStar]

I absolutely loved Barnes and I’m thrilled he’s doing well, but the Magic weren’t in a position to draft him, so I certainly am not losing a lick of sleep over not drafting him.

Now if Kuminga ends up good, I might have to reevaluate my entire way of looking at prospects

If JK ends up being good/better than Barnes then I can do the " I told ya so " to everyone in the JK vs SB topic we had. If JK ends up being a bust then I honestly would admit that Im wrong and was blinded by his hype and offensive " potential"

If both do well in their respective roles, then its a draw and we can do a Chet vs PAolo topic when we pick next draft

[pepe1991]

There is lot of fluff about net rating, defensive stats and all but let's be objective. Suggs struggles A LOT.

Nobody expects Kyrie Irving type of ballhandling but Suggs pretty much has no ability to keep dribble alive in traffic. That leads him into situations where he makes silly turnovers or takes silly shots.
Its very big issue when your lead ballhandler isn't comfortable with ball...

That could be fixed (hide?) if he is some epic without a ball cutter or shooter. He is neither right now.


It's just 11 games into regular season but his issues aren't that easy to solve. He will need very long time until he becomes comfortable handling ball under pressure, with shot clock down, calling actions, setting plays. ... PG's primary job is to control pace of offense and be safe-net for his team when everything goes wrong ( that's why i can't talk myself into Cole -PG role ).


To me, personally, it's strange to see guard who isn't elite at handling ball. it's such an fundamental and natural thing for most guards to work on...

Oh well. He is project. Hopefully over season he shows improvment in shooting & attacking off dribble. I highly doubt nba scheadule allows some massive ballhandling progress during season.

[OrlMagic05]

There is lot of fluff about net rating, defensive stats and all but let's be objective. Suggs struggles A LOT.

Nobody expects Kyrie Irving type of ballhandling but Suggs pretty much has no ability to keep dribble alive in traffic. That leads him into situations where he makes silly turnovers or takes silly shots.
Its very big issue when your lead ballhandler isn't comfortable with ball...

That could be fixed if he is some epic without a ball cutter or shooter. He is neither right now.


It's just 11 games into regular season but his issues aren't that easy to solve. He will need very long time until he becomes comfortable handling ball under pressure, with shot clock down, calling actions, setting plays. ... PG's primary job is to control pace of offense and be safe-net for his team when everything goes wrong ( that's why i can't talk myself into Cole -PG role ).


To me, personally, it's strange to see guard who isn't elite at handling ball. it's such an fundamental and natural thing for most guards to work on...

Oh well. He is project. Hopefully over season he shows improvment in shooting & attacking off dribble. I highly doubt nba scheadule allows some massive ballhandling progress during season.

I think this is one of the first times I agree with everything you said Pepe! Lol

Anyone who thinks Cole is a PG is out of their mind. Suggs is a 2 guard in my mind especially with his lack of handles. The only problem is he can't shoot either... I am sure his shooting will level out as the season goes along, but as I said in a previous post, Suggs is giving me big time Marcus Smart vibes.

[OrlMagic05]

Still not worried about Suggs. If he's still playing this bad after the all-star break I'll worry.

Cmon, all-star break? He is a rookie. I kinda wanna see a full summer of training with a NBA program and see if what developments happen.

I mean, am I the only one here who isn't spoiled by a Luka-like rookie that produces from day 1?

I'll start to worry if his handles, meaning he gets tripped a lot still, is still not there during next season.

No one is looking for luka like rookie season, but he has shot 20% from the field in half of his games and has an ast to turnover ratio of 1/1. Suggs has been flat out awful so far. I hope he turns it around, but lets not sugar coat how bad he has been so far. You can sort of tell if a player has "IT" from the start and so far Suggs doesnt have "IT"

[thelead]

His TS% is .419....

[basketballRob]

Some of you argued with me in the draft thread when I said Gilbert Arenas was right about Suggs.. I rewatched his interview about Suggs and Gilbert was 100% correct about him.

Agent 0 pointed out that in the Baylor game Suggs could not get past anyone and only had 2 points when playing 1on1. All his other points came from hustle plays like offensive rebounds or cuts.

Another strong reason why I dont think Suggs is a PG. I hope Suggs gets it together, but so far he has been a disappointment.

Agent 0...Guy who talked ish about Luka’s game but then admitted he was wrong.

2 other TEAMS were also wrong about Luka.. Agent 0 has been right so far about Suggs. He doesnt have the handles to be a lead guard and cant get past anyone. What there is not true?

Yes he gets past people.

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[OrlMagic05]

Agent 0...Guy who talked ish about Luka’s game but then admitted he was wrong.

2 other TEAMS were also wrong about Luka.. Agent 0 has been right so far about Suggs. He doesnt have the handles to be a lead guard and cant get past anyone. What there is not true?

Yes he gets past people.

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The times he does he turns the ball over...

[Xatticus]

I honestly didn't get that sentiment from Gil. I think he was alluding to Suggs not being able to provide a team a bucket when they need their best player to do so in an iso situation when the team really needs points. TBH every great team ever had that guy. When your offense isn't working you give it to the guy who can get you points until your whole offensive structure gets back on track.

Like we're all mentioning/seeing now Suggs does not have that ability AT ALL. He can barely dribble past anyone unless its a straight line and if he does he immediately gets stripped/loses the ball every time.

i watched him go out and get buckets quite a few times during his time at Gonzaga. He was also playing PG, not playing off-ball like we are doing to him now. I have faith in him and will wait more than 10 games to declare him any type of bust

Nobody is saying he's a bust right now... The conversation is just focused on his skill-set and abilities coming into the league and where he goes from here. He belongs in the NBA as he has a good IQ and is already a pretty good defender/good passer. But he's clearly a project who needs a lot of seasoning/help to develop.

What Gil mentioned is true. Especially in the title game which he referenced. Gonzaga was needing somebody to just try to bring them back into game as they were struggling to score with their offensive structure for the whole game, but more specifically down the stretch. An argument could be made about player hierarchy and Coaches typically overriding players who want to go iso for a team concept. But they needed Suggs to be that guy and he wasn't able to do it when the moment called for it.

This is the box score from that game:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2021-04-05-21-gonzaga.html

He took as many shots as anyone in the game. He scored as many points as anyone in the game. What are we even talking about here?

Gilbert Arenas is slinging **** against a wall hoping that something sticks because Gilbert Arenas is hoping that someone somewhere will listen to anything he has to say.

If you want to critique anything about Suggs, have at it. Just quit bringing up the Arenas crap. It doesn't hold any water.

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i watched him go out and get buckets quite a few times during his time at Gonzaga. He was also playing PG, not playing off-ball like we are doing to him now. I have faith in him and will wait more than 10 games to declare him any type of bust

Nobody is saying he's a bust right now... The conversation is just focused on his skill-set and abilities coming into the league and where he goes from here. He belongs in the NBA as he has a good IQ and is already a pretty good defender/good passer. But he's clearly a project who needs a lot of seasoning/help to develop.

What Gil mentioned is true. Especially in the title game which he referenced. Gonzaga was needing somebody to just try to bring them back into game as they were struggling to score with their offensive structure for the whole game, but more specifically down the stretch. An argument could be made about player hierarchy and Coaches typically overriding players who want to go iso for a team concept. But they needed Suggs to be that guy and he wasn't able to do it when the moment called for it.

This is the box score from that game:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2021-04-05-21-gonzaga.html

He took as many shots as anyone in the game. He scored as many points as anyone in the game. What are we even talking about here?

Gilbert Arenas is slinging **** against a wall hoping that something sticks because Gilbert Arenas is hoping that someone somewhere will listen to anything he has to say.

If you want to critique anything about Suggs, have at it. Just quit bringing up the Arenas crap. It doesn't hold any water.

Gilbert Arenas making proclamations on what winning basketball looks like is equivalent to Ron Artest talking about sportsmanship awards.

[Xatticus]

His TS% is .419....

Cole Anthony's TS% through his first 12 games: .416

I get why people are frustrated. It comes from attaching so much hope to someone, but patience is a virtue.