You keep making emphasizing the same points but VVV is providing factual evidence on why you're wrong.Tor_Raps wrote:vini_vidi_vici wrote:Tor_Raps wrote:
Siakam is extremely skinny and probably weighs the exact same as Tatum. There is no chance there's a 25 pound difference between the two.
OG is 60 points per 100 possessions because he's been guarding centers or wings all season? What does that have to do with anything here?
Regardless, OG/Siakam/Barnes are all better when they are on the perimeter where they can use size/length/speed. Sticking them in the paint full time is a horrible idea and has not worked whatsoever. We've seen Siakam at C for over a year and it just doesn't work.
We have the horses to be truly elite defensively but having them over compensate regularly because they are undersized in the paint makes them look worse than they are. And the crazy part is that we're only talking about the regular season here. Imagine the playoffs when the pace slows down completely and half court offense/defense matters more. Teams would wreck us even more.
So your argument is, the listed measurements are wrong. That OG is elite defensively at PostUps, but holding "bigs" to 72 points per 100 is bad? And regardless youre going to inject some conjecture, because now instead of asking for data points, you provide 0.
Who said anything about sticking anyone in the paint?
We havent seen Siakam at the C for a full yr, nor will we ever.
Who cares about the Ws/Ls/POs with such a young team in a developmental yr.
Your points are conjecture/strawmen, and not worth my time. If you arent going to address my points (backed by data, as YOU requested), then im done here.
Are the numbers you provided considering OG only going against Centers? OG is elite defensively overall against SF/PF, which is what he's been doing this season. You cannot extrapolate that and assume it will be the same against all centers. Yes, hes done well against Jokic in that one matchup but I would not consider this a long term solution since there's more to defense at the center spot than 1 on 1 defense. Help side defense is probably the most important attribute for a center and that is not something OG can do in the paint effectively.
All this doesn't even take into consideration that other defenders have to sag off their defenders more to help OG in the paint if he were guarding Centers. This leaves more open shots for the opponent and causes more defensive rotations that mess up our alignment.
My whole argument has been that we need to play with another traditional center like Birch since he can't play 48 minutes. Precious may get there one day but he is clearly not up to par for the time being. Using Siakam at C other than desperate situations should be forbidden.
Two other things you say here
1. "Help side defense is probably the most important attribute for a center and that is not something OG can do in the paint effectively." Where is this assumption coming from?
2. "All this doesn't even take into consideration that other defenders have to sag off their defenders more to help OG in the paint if he were guarding Centers. This leaves more open shots for the opponent and causes more defensive rotations that mess up our alignment." This is straight up false. Schematically, the Raptors play a very aggressive help defense, it wouldn't change with some sort of "traditional centre".
You also ignore alot of the benefits of having OG at centre, like negating alot of PnR actions with opposing teams best player and their big.
