2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

[BlazersBroncos]

Nobody even expected Giddey to go as early as 6th pick for the most part. he’s playing above expectation IMO I expected him to be way more raw than what he’s shown.

If he develops an efficient jumper watch out

Giddey was alot higher on most draft boards than he was in the draftnik community. Tons of whispers that MEM made that trade specifically to move up for Josh, and even more that GSW was planning to take him 7. He was never going to fall out of the top 9-10, so 6 isnt surprising really.

He needs to work on the shot, everyone knew that coming out, but he has a very workable shot and is filling the stat sheet everywhere else. 2 STL+BLK per game right now is pretty surprising.

I've been very impressed by his shot so far. I wasn't expecting much, but he has a nice floater and has a very quick release for someone so young on the corner 3. The other thing that doesn't get talked about much is his rebounding. He is currently 3rd among rookies at 6.7 and had 12 last night against NOLA.

He has decent speed on his catch / shoot 3's but his shot takes forever to get off if shooting off the dribble, he needs to work on that.

But ya, his feel is special and his rebounding looks like it will be elite for a SF. That works well with his court vision, snatching a board and running the break.

I am more convinced than ever that OKC has 2/3 of a big-3 going. They just need to snag a premier big that can run the PNR and they will be in great shape. Wish Poku was showing a bit more scoring though, albeit the past 2 games his stats have been meh but he seems to be playing better winning ball on the court (Positive +/-, not forcing nearly as much).

[LoveMyRaps]

Green is second to maybe Mobley in terms of the highest ceiling in the draft. He is an extremely raw prospect but only 19. Can't compare him to older people like Barnes, Giddey, Cunningham. You will see tremendous improvement from him as the season goes on. Look at Anthony Edwards' development, this is what Green will be like.

Mobley and Barnes are both ahead in terms of potential, especially when you consider their defensive upside.

[LoveMyRaps]

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Mobley still leading the pack. Suggs stands out as well for other reasons.

Banton is super underrated. People don't realize how big of a gem Toronto just drafted (again).

[BlazersBroncos]

Banton has alot of Tay Prince to his game IMO. Suppose more of a SG/SF than a pure SF like Prince, but just a smart ballplayer who does it all on both sides of the floor.

[ForeverTFC]

Green is second to maybe Mobley in terms of the highest ceiling in the draft. He is an extremely raw prospect but only 19. Can't compare him to older people like Barnes, Giddey, Cunningham. You will see tremendous improvement from him as the season goes on. Look at Anthony Edwards' development, this is what Green will be like.

Giddey is 8 months younger than Green.

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Heh, my bad. My point still stands though.

8 months younger than Mobley. 6 months younger than Scottie. 5 months younger than Cade. 8 months older than Giddey. Not sure you have much of a point for it to stand

With that said, agree that the type of game he plays is one that can level up more exponentially compared to the rest.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Then there's Josh Primo who is 10 years younger than all of them!

[PD28]

Banton has alot of Tay Prince to his game IMO. Suppose more of a SG/SF than a pure SF like Prince, but just a smart ballplayer who does it all on both sides of the floor.

He's been a pleasant surprise. Thought he wouldn't be able to play for a year due to his lanky frame and poor shooting. He's a great energy guy and leaves it all out there which is all we can ask from a late pick.

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[Shock Defeat]

Giddey is 8 months younger than Green.

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Heh, my bad. My point still stands though.

8 months younger than Mobley. 6 months younger than Scottie. 5 months younger than Cade. 8 months older than Giddey. Not sure you have much of a point for it to stand

With that said, agree that the type of game he plays is one that can level up more exponentially compared to the rest.

Those guys have had organized basketball experience in college or Australia.

The G-League imo is being exposed for being a glorified pickup style league, at least that's what the G-League Ignite were doing under Brian Shaw. When players can't rely on athleticism to succeed, such as college or pros, they have to develop their all around skills. It didn't seem like Green was forced to develop much last year in the G-League bubble that's why he's a ton more raw than the guys drafted around him.

[MotownMadness]

How is Barnes getting most his points? He's putting up alot on good efficiency. Is he creating for himself or mostly getting assisted on them?

He's the most shocking to me cause I didn't see this coming at all from him

[Peja Stojakovic]

he's getting a lot of o-boards and has a decent midrange jumper already

[10giz]

How is Barnes getting most his points? He's putting up alot on good efficiency. Is he creating for himself or mostly getting assisted on them?

He's the most shocking to me cause I didn't see this coming at all from him

Actually wrote a post about this - it's quite impressive...

What Barnes is doing offensively is, IMO, baffling. Beyond so. (Used a cutoff of 28MPG for the following)

19th in the league in % of FGM unassisted. Most of those above him are stars like Doncic, PG, Giannis...but that's irrelevant.

Among those top 19...

1st in % of points off TOs
1st in % of points in the paint (by far - as an aside, he's currently 8th in the league overall in % of points in the paint, mostly all big men and Cs....meanwhile this guy operates on the perimeter - already very elite in this regard)
3rd in % of points from fast break (behind Giannis and Ja)
Last in % points from 3s and 2nd last in % points from FTs.

He's quite literally scoring 17PPG strictly off of hustle and IQ while maximizing opportunistic situations..

Without any threes. Barely any FTs. No plays. No schemes to get him open.

His only discernible flaw pre-draft has led to him becoming one of the most efficient scorers in the entire league.

[tdotrep2]

How is Barnes getting most his points? He's putting up alot on good efficiency. Is he creating for himself or mostly getting assisted on them?

He's the most shocking to me cause I didn't see this coming at all from him

hes getting most of his points by himself, i think i seen a stat where it was 68pct of his baskets were un assisted

[10giz]

How is Barnes getting most his points? He's putting up alot on good efficiency. Is he creating for himself or mostly getting assisted on them?

He's the most shocking to me cause I didn't see this coming at all from him

hes getting most of his points by himself, i think i seen a stat where it was 68pct of his baskets were un assisted

Yep. It's a crazy stat for few reasons.

First, most of every player in that range and above is a great scorer or start player (minus Brunson and KPJ)

But most impressive is that even with that - 68% of all his points are in the paint.

He's literally scoring 68% of his points, unassisted, in the paint, as wing player primarily operating from the perimeter with little to no reliance on 3s, FTs, or even fast break points.

Basically just tells us he can score hyper efficiently on his own creating his own opportunities very consistently. (While shooting 55%)

[Sphynx]

Him and Franz have been exceeding expectations for sure but there nowhere near as good as Barnes & Mobley thus far.

"Nowhere near"?

6 assists a game (already top 20 in the league) is good going for the second youngest player in the entire league in his first 9 games.

Is Mobley the only other in this group that is top 20 in the league in a stat class? (Blocks per game - 17th)

Giddey is also top 30 in the league in steals per game also.

Barnes has shown to be a good defender, but I'm not sure the 4 points per game elevates him levels above Giddey who arguably has as much potential physical development as anyone in the group.

Yeah, but Giddey couldn't guard his shadow, while Barnes is guarding Harden, Durant, Tatum and so on. It's the scoring on top of the defense and rebounding. I'm saying this so you pay more attention other than scoring, not to downplay Giddey great passing.

Giddey been solid, but he's had a few sub par games so far.

Giddey is in the top few for rookies for steals (33rd in NBA) blocks and boards.

All key defensive metrics.

I think people are just type casting him as the goofy looking white guy as “can’t defend”, just like you have.

[God Squad]

"Nowhere near"?

6 assists a game (already top 20 in the league) is good going for the second youngest player in the entire league in his first 9 games.

Is Mobley the only other in this group that is top 20 in the league in a stat class? (Blocks per game - 17th)

Giddey is also top 30 in the league in steals per game also.

Barnes has shown to be a good defender, but I'm not sure the 4 points per game elevates him levels above Giddey who arguably has as much potential physical development as anyone in the group.

Yeah, but Giddey couldn't guard his shadow, while Barnes is guarding Harden, Durant, Tatum and so on. It's the scoring on top of the defense and rebounding. I'm saying this so you pay more attention other than scoring, not to downplay Giddey great passing.

Giddey been solid, but he's had a few sub par games so far.

Giddey is in the top few for rookies for steals (33rd in NBA) blocks and boards.

All key defensive metrics.

I think people are just type casting him as the goofy looking white guy as “can’t defend”, just like you have.

Oh I like Giddey, So don't take it as a shot by any means. Pretty sure he was atop Masai's draft board had we stayed at 7. But I do think those defensive stats are misleading. Plus he's also shooting 61% from the free through line. Anyways not a shot at Giddey and I think he has one of the higher ceilings as he's already on triple double watch- sorta.

[basketballRob]

How is Barnes getting most his points? He's putting up alot on good efficiency. Is he creating for himself or mostly getting assisted on them?

He's the most shocking to me cause I didn't see this coming at all from him

hes getting most of his points by himself, i think i seen a stat where it was 68pct of his baskets were un assisted

Yep. It's a crazy stat for few reasons.

First, most of every player in that range and above is a great scorer or start player (minus Brunson and KPJ)

But most impressive is that even with that - 68% of all his points are in the paint.

He's literally scoring 68% of his points, unassisted, in the paint, as wing player primarily operating from the perimeter with little to no reliance on 3s, FTs, or even fast break points.

Basically just tells us he can score hyper efficiently on his own creating his own opportunities very consistently. (While shooting 55%)

52.6% from the field.

Most of his unassisted shots are layups off the fast break and off offensive rebounds. It helps his rebounding numbers to not play with a center.

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[10giz]

hes getting most of his points by himself, i think i seen a stat where it was 68pct of his baskets were un assisted

Yep. It's a crazy stat for few reasons.

First, most of every player in that range and above is a great scorer or start player (minus Brunson and KPJ)

But most impressive is that even with that - 68% of all his points are in the paint.

He's literally scoring 68% of his points, unassisted, in the paint, as wing player primarily operating from the perimeter with little to no reliance on 3s, FTs, or even fast break points.

Basically just tells us he can score hyper efficiently on his own creating his own opportunities very consistently. (While shooting 55%)

52.6% from the field.

Most of his unassisted shots are layups off the fast break and off offensive rebounds. It helps his rebounding numbers to not play with a center.

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6.2 of his 16.6 PPG from from either the FB or 2nd chance.

So it is absolutely a part, it's definitely not most.

[BlazersBroncos]

Yeah, but Giddey couldn't guard his shadow, while Barnes is guarding Harden, Durant, Tatum and so on. It's the scoring on top of the defense and rebounding. I'm saying this so you pay more attention other than scoring, not to downplay Giddey great passing.

Giddey been solid, but he's had a few sub par games so far.

Giddey is in the top few for rookies for steals (33rd in NBA) blocks and boards.

All key defensive metrics.

I think people are just type casting him as the goofy looking white guy as “can’t defend”, just like you have.

Oh I like Giddey, So don't take it as a shot by any means. Pretty sure he was atop Masai's draft board had we stayed at 7. But I do think those defensive stats are misleading. Plus he's also shooting 61% from the free through line. Anyways not a shot at Giddey and I think he has one of the higher ceilings as he's already on triple double watch- sorta.

Giddey has been pretty good on defense when matched with SF and PF. His lack of twitch laterally makes him unable to guard quicker guys though. I think he will be below average to average defensively with gaudy steal numbers because he reads the lanes so well (Which doesnt mean he is a gaudy defender FWIW).

He actaully has the 2nd best DRTG on the team and is only 1 of 3 players with a positive DBPM. Albeit its too early to have those numbers mean much.

[bbms]

"Nowhere near"?

6 assists a game (already top 20 in the league) is good going for the second youngest player in the entire league in his first 9 games.

Is Mobley the only other in this group that is top 20 in the league in a stat class? (Blocks per game - 17th)

Giddey is also top 30 in the league in steals per game also.

Barnes has shown to be a good defender, but I'm not sure the 4 points per game elevates him levels above Giddey who arguably has as much potential physical development as anyone in the group.

Yeah, but Giddey couldn't guard his shadow, while Barnes is guarding Harden, Durant, Tatum and so on. It's the scoring on top of the defense and rebounding. I'm saying this so you pay more attention other than scoring, not to downplay Giddey great passing.

Giddey been solid, but he's had a few sub par games so far.

Giddey is in the top few for rookies for steals (33rd in NBA) blocks and boards.

All key defensive metrics.

I think people are just type casting him as the goofy looking white guy as “can’t defend”, just like you have.

NGL he's really bad at defense.

[ForeverTFC]

hes getting most of his points by himself, i think i seen a stat where it was 68pct of his baskets were un assisted

Yep. It's a crazy stat for few reasons.

First, most of every player in that range and above is a great scorer or start player (minus Brunson and KPJ)

But most impressive is that even with that - 68% of all his points are in the paint.

He's literally scoring 68% of his points, unassisted, in the paint, as wing player primarily operating from the perimeter with little to no reliance on 3s, FTs, or even fast break points.

Basically just tells us he can score hyper efficiently on his own creating his own opportunities very consistently. (While shooting 55%)

52.6% from the field.

Most of his unassisted shots are layups off the fast break and off offensive rebounds. It helps his rebounding numbers to not play with a center.

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That's actually not true (which is the most amazing part of all this). He's scoring most of his points in the half court.