The Tomjas Thread

[76ciology]

Klutch put Ben in a really bad spot.

Klutch best card is for Ben to play then Ben would just play like sh*t, which isnt hard to do given his talent.

But if Ben plays then it means… Ben is lying?

And if Ben plays.. then we could just bench him and let him rot for the next 4 years.

Bye bye supermax or chance to be an allstar.

[76ciology]

The team sent Simmons a schedule for Thursday that included the team’s game against Toronto, which Simmons believes is an effort to withhold his game check if he does not appear at Wells Fargo Center.

76ers officials said they were pleased to hear Paul state he is open to Simmons staying in Philadelphia. President of basketball operations Daryl Morey and other team officials have said that they believe Simmons is a piece for their championship-contending team and want him back in the lineup.

4D Chess

[DCasey91]

Theory:

Is Maxey our second option?

Rarely turns the ball over due to being our best ballhandler since his rookie year, and already is a great finisher and the shooting is coming along nicely. 25/4/5 on 20 FGA kind of deal or thereabouts and I don’t think he would have trouble putting up raw numbers.

Now then the third piece has to be a wing defender, that can shoot at a high clip and facilitate to a high enough degree. Therein lies a problem because for the life of me I can’t find anyone in the NBA that can actually do that. Like mixing Kawhi with Butler sort of thing.

Food for thought

Anyway the two obvious problems have to go duh. I actually don’t mind whatever we get back

[76ciology]

Theory:

Is Maxey our second option?

Rarely turns the ball over due to being our best ballhandler since his rookie year, and already is a great finisher and the shooting is coming along nicely. 25/4/5 on 20 FGA kind of deal or thereabouts and I don’t think he would have trouble putting up raw numbers.

Now then the third piece has to be a wing defender, that can shoot at a high clip and facilitate to a high enough degree. Therein lies a problem because for the life of me I can’t find anyone in the NBA that can actually do that. Like mixing Kawhi with Butler sort of thing.

Food for thought

Anyway the two obvious problems have to go duh. I actually don’t mind whatever we get back

Define second option.

Because if we need scoring, when Biid is denied. I think we’ll look for Seth or Tobi for scoring.

But when Biid is not playing, Maxey is the guy I feel our team is comfortable creating plays on our team.

If we need a shot to tie or win it after a time out, I wouldnt be surprised if the play is called for Korkmaz. Who has made big shots even when he was a young korklord.

Down the stretch in the Bulls game, our guys scored collectively and i thought that is more ideal than just relying 1-2 players given the nature of Embiid’s inconsistency and Maxey at this stage of his career.

[DCasey91]

Define?

Means he’s our second option. A dude that can get their own without any setup.

Curry/Harris aren’t second options more or less counterparts one being awfully bad for our team (Harris). And one being the nuke that needs space to setup and bomb.

76ciology it’s different theres no Lebronesque danger of the playmaking extreme in the crunch or the Luka triple threat it’s either Embiid midrange or outside score creation. Maxey >>>> then anybody else for us easily.

Can’t rely on 3 or die. Got to be a steady diet. Look Maxey isn’t Drexler but that is what Embiid needs then after surround him with a butt load of space with defenders that can attack/shoot lights out or ballhandlers that can attack and score/shoot. We have the blueprint now.

Harris/Seth are not reliable go to scoring options when by far and away the best ballhandler is Maxey and it’s not even close.

We’ve seen Harris and we’ve seen Curry one can’t do it and the other that’s not his job. Curry already makes it a potential 4v4 providing the other 4 aren’t liabilities. That already makes Embiid very dangerous as is.

[Tomjas]

Rich Paul gave an exclusive to Shams and made sure to say 4x that Ben has "mental health" issues. It is no longer that he is not "mentally ready to play" Paul is now claiming it is a "mental health issue." So this has now entered a whole new realm.

You don’t see a therapist for months if everything is hunky dory

Mental health is treated the same as a physical injury. All Simmons needed was to present the Sixers with a doctor's opinion that he is not medically cleared to play basketball, engage in team activities or be at the team facility. If he had produced that note the CBA would have covered him and he would not be able to be fined.

It's convenient that you forget Ben and Paul both postured that they were ready to sit out the entire season and lose all his money unless he got what he wanted which was a trade to a team in CA. There was NEVER any revelation of mental health or therapist treatment until after Ben found out he won't get his money and needed an "injury" that could be used to justify him missing games.

Oh and the team is ENTITLED to receive an employee's doctor's report if you claim you are incapable of playing. Mental or physical a doctor has to opine the player is not ready to play.

Physical and mental healthcare are completely different disciplines and the diagnostic/treatment are nothing alike

If Simmons had a knee injury then a diagnosis could be undertaken in hours and a treatment plan formulated immediately thereafter

Mental health therapy can sometimes take a significant time just to make a reliable diagnosis as it involves interpersonal communication

To make matters worse, there’s no trust between the parties so it’s likely to take more time than usual as that’s not built overnight

From the sounds of it, you really don’t understand the issue at all

As an example, you criticise Simmons for not revealing that he’s been receiving therapy when the fact is that it would be unusual for him to do so as it’s not something that people generally publicise

What’s more, you’re kidding yourself if you think that the Sixers staff can make a diagnosis after meeting him for an hour

It could take months and even then you could probably find someone else with a different opinion

[76ciology]

^ its you who clearly dont understand the issue.

Everybody is on the same page

And we all here think Ben is lying to the team and the team has played this perfectly and Ben and his people are looking like fools.

How? Not only do they have to declare Ben having mental illness, but they have to pay fines or not getting paid while looking like liars by not cooperating with the team.

“Mentally ill”.
Losing money.
Lying about mentally ill.

GMs and owners across the league are all siding with the Sixers. Take note, these guys will do whatever it takes for the league and what Ben is doing shouldn’t be tolerated.

While players couldn’t side with ben because their “player empowerment” movement will be at risk with how bogus Ben and his camp looks out there

If I were you, I’d stop defending Ben and just hope he can prove the Sixers wrong by convincing the FO that he’s really mentally ill.

You see, I’m usually a neutral guy lately. But this thing Ben is doing just crossed the line for me.

[Mr Chim]

So weird how Ben’s mental health flared up immediately after learning he wasn’t getting paid, that being after the fact he was liking tweets about him getting fined.

I’m sure that defense will hold up well for him and Rich when this inevitably ends up in arbitration.

[Mr Chim]

^ its you who clearly dont understand the issue.

Everybody is on the same page

And we all here think Ben is lying to the team and the team has played this perfectly and Ben and his people are looking like fools.

How? Not only do they have to declare Ben having mental illness, but they have to pay fines or not getting paid while looking like liars by not cooperating with the team.

“Mentally ill”.
Losing money.
Lying about mentally ill.

GMs across the league are all siding with the Sixers. Take note, these guys will do whatever it takes for the league and what Ben is doing shouldn’t be tolerated.

If you just ignored him he’d go away. Just got here but it’s quickly become obvious he’s “that guy” and craves the conflict of being on the opposite side of any argument regardless of how poor the argument is.

[Tomjas]

^ its you who clearly dont understand the issue.

Everybody is on the same page

And we all here think Ben is lying to the team and the team has played this perfectly and Ben and his people are looking like fools.

How? Not only do they have to declare Ben having mental illness, but they have to pay fines or not getting paid while looking like liars by not cooperating with the team.

Simmons has been in therapy for months so you don’t know **** about the situation and nor do I

Btw, how does this help his trade value or get him back on the court?

This has been a train wreck from the start

[Mr Chim]

idk nothing says I'm lying more than "well just say I'm lying then...i dare you"

this attempt at sympathy is hard to sell after all of the offseason stuff and the back injury attempt prior.

But to each their own. This is just our now biweekly attempt at each side attempting to control the narrative.

don't care anymore.

The fact his camp is now trying to spin this narrative that Ben is victim and asking people to ignore 6 months of Ben displaying insubordination and a complete lack of effort is mind boggling. The fact that it will work on 50% of people because mental health and quicks headlines > context and facts is even sadder.

[76ciology]

Ben Simmons is 25 years old
Ben Simmons has 4 years in the contract
Sixers is playing well

Sixers dont need Ben

Ben needs the sixers to trade him now, this is why he’s having a tantrum

Sixers could just let him rot by not playing him.

By 2025, he’d be 29 years old. Never played a game in the last 4 years. Some team will give him a one year contract, similar to what we’ve seen with Drummond or D12. And because they acquire him cheaply, its easy for them to cut him. And when Ben asks for a big contract, no team will pay a 14ppg player who can’t shoot who hasn’t played a single game in the last 4 years who’s gonna turn 30 the next year.

When D12 was asked about Ben, he said he see his situation with Ben. He is partly right. You saw how D12’s career has been in the last 2 seasons? That’s what’s Ben career is gonna be in 2025 onwards.

Take into consideration, GMs and owners would be in cahoots to make it happen and show the players what happens if you dont fulfill the obligation in your contract.

[Tomjas]

idk nothing says I'm lying more than "well just say I'm lying then...i dare you"

this attempt at sympathy is hard to sell after all of the offseason stuff and the back injury attempt prior.

But to each their own. This is just our now biweekly attempt at each side attempting to control the narrative.

don't care anymore.

The fact his camp is now trying to spin this narrative that Ben is victim and asking people to ignore 6 months of Ben displaying insubordination and a complete lack of effort is mind boggling. The fact that it will work on 50% of people because mental health and quicks headlines > context and facts is even sadder.

He’s been in therapy FOR MONTHS

Why?

[Tomjas]

Ben Simmons is 25 years old
Ben Simmons has 4 years in the contract
Sixers is playing well

Sixers dont need Ben

Ben needs the sixers to trade him now, this is why he’s having a tantrum

Sixers could just let him rot by not playing him.

By 2025, he’d be 29 years old. Never played a game in the last 4 years. Some team will give him a one year contract, similar to what we’ve seen with Drummond or D12. And because they acquire him cheaply, its easy for them to cut him. And when Ben asks for a big contract, no team will pay a 14ppg player who can’t shoot who hasn’t played a single game in the last 4 years who’s gonna turn 30 the next year.

When D12 was asked about Ben, he said he see his situation with Ben. He is partly right. You saw how D12’s career has been in the last 2 seasons? That’s what’s Ben career is gonna be in 2025 onwards.

Take into consideration, GMs and owners would be in cahoots to make it happen and show the players what happens if you dont fulfill the obligation in your contract.

5th seeded Sixers don’t need 25% of their cap space

Fk you guys come up with the dumbest takes

[76ciology]

^ its you who clearly dont understand the issue.

Everybody is on the same page

And we all here think Ben is lying to the team and the team has played this perfectly and Ben and his people are looking like fools.

How? Not only do they have to declare Ben having mental illness, but they have to pay fines or not getting paid while looking like liars by not cooperating with the team.

Simmons has been in therapy for months so you don’t know **** about the situation and nor do I

Btw, how does this help his trade value or get him back on the court?

This has been a train wreck from the start

We dont even need to get something good for him.

The way the team is playing, we’re so much better without him.

Just trade all the picks for Jerami Grant and we’d be better we can ever be with Ben.

[76ciology]

Define?

Means he’s our second option. A dude that can get their own without any setup.

Curry/Harris aren’t second options more or less counterparts one being awfully bad for our team (Harris). And one being the nuke that needs space to setup and bomb.

76ciology it’s different theres no Lebronesque danger of the playmaking extreme in the crunch or the Luka triple threat it’s either Embiid midrange or outside score creation. Maxey >>>> then anybody else for us easily.

Can’t rely on 3 or die. Got to be a steady diet. Look Maxey isn’t Drexler but that is what Embiid needs then after surround him with a butt load of space with defenders that can attack/shoot lights out or ballhandlers that can attack and score/shoot. We have the blueprint now.

Harris/Seth are not reliable go to scoring options when by far and away the best ballhandler is Maxey and it’s not even close.

We’ve seen Harris and we’ve seen Curry one can’t do it and the other that’s not his job. Curry already makes it a potential 4v4 providing the other 4 aren’t liabilities. That already makes Embiid very dangerous as is.

I dont think Maxey is good enough to be our second option consistently.

I think Maxey is good as second options some times, but that second option differs game to game and situation to situation.

Maxey is not Kobe or Drexler.
He’s more like Tony Parker or Jrue.

And thats ok, making the defense guess and having options on which mismatch to attack makes us more dangerous.

[Jhawk03]

You don’t see a therapist for months if everything is hunky dory

Mental health is treated the same as a physical injury. All Simmons needed was to present the Sixers with a doctor's opinion that he is not medically cleared to play basketball, engage in team activities or be at the team facility. If he had produced that note the CBA would have covered him and he would not be able to be fined.

It's convenient that you forget Ben and Paul both postured that they were ready to sit out the entire season and lose all his money unless he got what he wanted which was a trade to a team in CA. There was NEVER any revelation of mental health or therapist treatment until after Ben found out he won't get his money and needed an "injury" that could be used to justify him missing games.

Oh and the team is ENTITLED to receive an employee's doctor's report if you claim you are incapable of playing. Mental or physical a doctor has to opine the player is not ready to play.

Physical and mental healthcare are completely different disciplines and the diagnostic/treatment are nothing alike

If Simmons had a knee injury then a diagnosis could be undertaken in hours and a treatment plan formulated immediately thereafter

Mental health therapy can sometimes take a significant time just to make a reliable diagnosis as it involves interpersonal communication

To make matters worse, there’s no trust between the parties so it’s likely to take more time than usual as that’s not built overnight

From the sounds of it, you really don’t understand the issue at all

As an example, you criticise Simmons for not revealing that he’s been receiving therapy when the fact is that it would be unusual for him to do so as it’s not something that people generally publicise

What’s more, you’re kidding yourself if you think that the Sixers staff can make a diagnosis after meeting him for an hour

It could take months and even then you could probably find someone else with a different opinion

I think Ben needs a sabbatical, time away from basketball, fans and the media, and most important, time to consider what he needs and where he wants to be in life.

All this getting paid or being fined nonsense is not helping Ben's mental health. I'm willing to predict that Ben may never play basketball again IF he truly has mental health issues, and that's only because if he were to quit basketball, (which may or may not be the cause, but it's certainly not helping) he'd be taking the first step towards solving his issues, and he'd have more time to focus on his mental health.

[Wilfried]

I think Ben needs a sabbatical, time away from basketball, fans and the media, and most important, time to consider what he needs and where he wants to be in life.

All this getting paid or being fined nonsense is not helping Ben's mental health. I'm willing to predict that Ben may never play basketball again IF he truly has mental health issues, and that's only because if he were to quit basketball, (which may or may not be the cause, but it's certainly not helping) he'd be taking the first step towards solving his issues, and he'd have more time to focus on his mental health.

Ok for me, but only if he works on his shooting in the meantime.

Because he's still running away from what would be the answer to all this mess

[Tomjas]

I think Ben needs a sabbatical, time away from basketball, fans and the media, and most important, time to consider what he needs and where he wants to be in life.

All this getting paid or being fined nonsense is not helping Ben's mental health. I'm willing to predict that Ben may never play basketball again IF he truly has mental health issues, and that's only because if he were to quit basketball, (which may or may not be the cause, but it's certainly not helping) he'd be taking the first step towards solving his issues, and he'd have more time to focus on his mental health.

Ok for me, but only if he works on his shooting in the meantime.

Because he's still running away from what would be the answer to all this mess

Father of a friend was a leading golf professional who “retired” in his prime after getting the yips

Bought a pub and hardly played golf for 18 months

Eventually returned and won more than 30 tournaments around the world

Practice is not always the answer to mental conditions

[Philly2good]

I think it's quite obvious Ben has mental issues...He has had them since day one. How else can you explaine his unwillingness to shoot the ball?