Iguodala says Kyrie Irving is top 4 point guard of all time

Post #61 » by **Duffman100** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:10 pm

Maybe if you need a point guard for one game, they'll definitely play that one game and take that point guard at their peak. Then maybe maybe Kyrie could be 4th.

Ugalde · Post #62 » by **Ugalde** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:16 pm

kyrie isn’t even top 4 pg in the league today lol

DarkXaero · Post #63 » by **DarkXaero** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:17 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:Gawd... so freaking overrated. The guy had good handles and was a creative scorer but couldn't even get a team to the playoffs by carrying the team as the #1 guy. The only success he ever had in the league was as a 2nd best player... that's not Top 4 PG All Time material my guy.
You don't gotta make up false stuff, my guy.

What's false? Cleveland was a perennial Top 10 lottery team before Bron. The Celtics were nothing special and he barely ever played with them due to injuries... Tatum carried their playoff success. Then you have the Nets which are clearly carried by KD.

Soooo.... not seeing what's made up here?

You're saying he couldn't even get a team to the playoffs by carrying the team as the #1 guy, that's a blatantly false claim easy to disprove. In his first season with the Celtics, Celtics were on pace to be #1 seed in the East, ended up #2 seed after he got injured. In his 2nd year with the Celtics (the disappointing season), Celtics still ended up #4 seed. In both years, Kyrie was comfortably the Celtics best player. Using the Cleveland Cavs team record against him is laughable, that roster was a horrible, lotto bound roster, it's disingenuous to use that against him. KD played 35 games for the Nets last season, Nets had a terrific record last season with Kyrie as the #1 option.

This is the problem having an argument on Kyrie's value as a player. He's such a disliked player across the NBA by fans like you, that objectivity is lost in most arguments when it comes to Kyrie.

DusterBuster · Post #64 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:18 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:You don't gotta make up false stuff, my guy.

What's false? Cleveland was a perennial Top 10 lottery team before Bron. The Celtics were nothing special and he barely ever played with them due to injuries... Tatum carried their playoff success. Then you have the Nets which are clearly carried by KD.

Soooo.... not seeing what's made up here?
You're saying he couldn't even get a team to the playoffs by carrying the team as the #1 guy, that's a blatantly false claim easy to disprove. In his first season with the Celtics, Celtics were on pace to be #1 seed in the East, ended up #2 seed after he got injured. In his 2nd year with the Celtics (the disappointing season), Celtics still ended up #4 seed. In both years, Kyrie was comfortably the Celtics best player. Using the Cleveland Cavs team record against him is laughable, that roster was a horrible, lotto bound roster, it's disingenuous to use that against him. KD played 35 games for the Nets last season, Nets had a terrific record last season with Kyrie as the #1 option.

This is the problem having an argument on Kyrie's value as a player. He's such a disliked player across the NBA by fans like you, that objectivity is lost in most arguments when it comes to Kyrie.

Yes, and a Nets fan has clear unbiased objectivity on current Brooklyn Net Kyrie Irving... Goooootttt it got it got it. :lol:

Mickey8 · Post #65 » by **Mickey8** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:19 pm

He's not even a point guard .

DarkXaero · Post #66 » by **DarkXaero** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:19 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
What's false? Cleveland was a perennial Top 10 lottery team before Bron. The Celtics were nothing special and he barely ever played with them due to injuries... Tatum carried their playoff success. Then you have the Nets which are clearly carried by KD.

Soooo.... not seeing what's made up here?
You're saying he couldn't even get a team to the playoffs by carrying the team as the #1 guy, that's a blatantly false claim easy to disprove. In his first season with the Celtics, Celtics were on pace to be #1 seed in the East, ended up #2 seed after he got injured. In his 2nd year with the Celtics (the disappointing season), Celtics still ended up #4 seed. In both years, Kyrie was comfortably the Celtics best player. Using the Cleveland Cavs team record against him is laughable, that roster was a horrible, lotto bound roster, it's disingenuous to use that against him. KD played 35 games for the Nets last season, Nets had a terrific record last season with Kyrie as the #1 option.

This is the problem having an argument on Kyrie's value as a player. He's such a disliked player across the NBA by fans like you, that objectivity is lost in most arguments when it comes to Kyrie.

Yes, and a Nets fan has clear unbiased objectivity on current Brooklyn Net Kyrie Irving... Goooootttt it got it got it.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Nets fanbase is not happy at all with Kyrie these days. I've publicly blasted Kyrie for his vaccine refusal stance here and elsewhere.

R-DAWG · Post #67 » by **R-DAWG** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:24 pm

Kyrie is turning into a modern day Stephon Marbury. The main difference is young Kyrie played with prime Lebron while young Marbury played with young Garnett.

Roger Murdock · Post #68 » by **Roger Murdock** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:28 pm

I’m not even sure Kylie has been a top 4 point guard any season since he’s been in the NBA

Swish1906 · Post #69 » by **Swish1906** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Iggy allready said a lot of stupid things over the years

Lalouie · Post #70 » by **Lalouie** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:48 pm

i always knew there was something odd about the profile of iggy's nose

bbalnation · Post #71 » by **bbalnation** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:49 pm

I dont think there are more 4 point guards in league history who can do what Kyrie did to the Warriors in the finals, and to several teams in the playoffs. Id put AI up there, on second thought (he was traditionally a shooting guard but meh not gonna get into this meaningless discussion).

I think Kyrie can play a Stockton type role for a year and do just fine like John did. But I doubt Kyrie has the mental longevity that John did to be able to keep playing that type of system, for 15 years. Not sure if thats the argument though.

I think Kyrie is wildly underrated purely from a skills standpoint. And deep in the playoffs, that's when it results in impact, if your team is strong enough to collectively carry you there. Kyrie has been on some great teams, and some bad teams.

His basketball offhand skills (I had to term this carefully for the trolls) are the skills part to me that are ahead of their time. I've only seen Kobe have that left hand, and to a certain degree Jrue/Vince, but Kyrie is by far the best of them all, and that's ridiculous.

I see where hes coming from. I dont think there are a lot of guys who are 6'3 who could have done well against those statistically great Warriors defensive team, multiple years. He may not have had the most efficient series, but the game slows down in the playoffs, and he was still able to get buckets in isolations, while setting up a decent amount of plays for his teammates.

There are just not many championship level point guards you can say that about, vaccinated or not.

Golden Knight · Post #72 » by **Golden Knight** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:55 pm

Read on Twitter

JRoy · Post #73 » by **JRoy** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:05 pm

Igoudala is wrong.

He’s top 5 or so now, might crack top 30 all time pg when he actually plays.

Post #74 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:07 pm

Andre Iguodala is a little bit stupid...

bbalnation · Post #75 » by **bbalnation** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:07 pm

People who discredit Kyrie as a point guard is confusing to me.

Do you reject Steph as point guard of his team, but rather Draymond? Steph typically spends more time off ball than Kyrie does.

Just because it doesn't fit your all or nothing traditional box doesn't mean it isn't a viable option to achieving the objective of playing winning basketball. I mean, Kyrie won a title as a POINT GUARD.

Lebron was not the only point guard on that team. The media and realgm fans made a big deal about him transitioning to point guard on the Lakers "for the first time in his career". We can't have it both ways.

There is no real such thing as point guard anymore. There are playmakers. When you're a small guard, you need to justify that size. You can be a threat by setting the tempo (Steph) and/or dominating scoring in isolation (Kyrie), shooting (Kyrie/Steph), and off ball (Steph).

I think Steph is waaaaaaaay more impactful. But Kyrie (Lebron, Lue, defensive scheme and co) somehow took one from him as one of the primary players. Thats how creative of an onball player he is. And he did use that skill to make plays for others, which is a skill hes massively underrated for despite a decent assist average (Kyrie 5.7 career to Stephs 6.5, where Steph has played with Klay all his career lol).

Antinomy · Post #76 » by **Antinomy** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:19 pm

As if there isn’t a PG currently playing who just led his team to the finals at 36 and is the ONLY player in NBA history to have 20K points & 10K assists

nikster · Post #77 » by **nikster** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:23 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:You don't gotta make up false stuff, my guy.

What's false? Cleveland was a perennial Top 10 lottery team before Bron. The Celtics were nothing special and he barely ever played with them due to injuries... Tatum carried their playoff success. Then you have the Nets which are clearly carried by KD.

Soooo.... not seeing what's made up here?
You're saying he couldn't even get a team to the playoffs by carrying the team as the #1 guy, that's a blatantly false claim easy to disprove. In his first season with the Celtics, Celtics were on pace to be #1 seed in the East, ended up #2 seed after he got injured. In his 2nd year with the Celtics (the disappointing season), Celtics still ended up #4 seed. In both years, Kyrie was comfortably the Celtics best player. Using the Cleveland Cavs team record against him is laughable, that roster was a horrible, lotto bound roster, it's disingenuous to use that against him. KD played 35 games for the Nets last season, Nets had a terrific record last season with Kyrie as the #1 option.

This is the problem having an argument on Kyrie's value as a player. He's such a disliked player across the NBA by fans like you, that objectivity is lost in most arguments when it comes to Kyrie.

The obvious caveat is that he can't lead a team to the playoffs that isnt capable of playoff success without him. In 4 years the Celtics made 3 conference finals, the one year they didnt was the one Kyrie was healthy. Didnt have a significant effect on regular season win totals either

Dutchball97 · Post #78 » by **Dutchball97** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:34 pm

I can understand why players rate Kyrie higher than fans. His dribbling stands out and a lot of people name Kyrie when using an example of a quick and shifty guard who is hard to defend. I can imagine getting put on skates leaves a bigger impression than point guards with a more complete and technical game. I guess Kyrie being a big part of the 2016 title also plays a significant role. Winning championships is also the main reason IT gets so consistently overrated and Iguodala also buys into that.

CoachD · Post #79 » by **CoachD** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:36 pm

Headline should read....Iguodala confirms he is friends with Kyrie

Cavsfansince84 · Post #80 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:52 pm

Really hard time seeing Kyrie as a top 10 pg of all time. Magic, Oscar, Steph, CP3, Nash, Stockton, Frazier, Kidd, Payton, Billups, Isiah, Cousy, and WB are all clearly ahead imo. Then you also have guys like Parker, Lillard, DJ, KJ, Porter and a few others. Having Kyrie outside the top 15 is perfectly reasonable.