Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Eyeamok]

i just don't understand the Rich Paul strategy right now.

With those commentaries he's only hurting Ben. If he's right, teams would need to have pauses about Ben's state right now, if a team wants to trade for Ben to save their season, a player with legit mental health issues is not worthy. This also put pressure onto teams to have an adaptation period with him and put questions on if Ben is ready to play this season or in the future even if he's traded.

I understand he thinks he's sticking it to the organization, but his first priority as an agent should be his player and his future on the league. Not entering a petty argument with an entire organization, specially if you also have another player there who is triving in his role.

Just idiocy all around.

What's sad is that Ben seems to following a script made up by Klutch on the fly. Klutch thought they were playing checkers but Morey pulled out the chessboard.

[76ciology]

Klutch is just bad at managing guys.
They’re just riding on Bron’s influence and is Bron’s way to get intel and get cheap players to play with him.

Klutch didnt get to their status by being smart.
They got their because of Bron.

How they handled this crisis with our young socialite, exposes them.

[Eyeamok]

Klutch is just bad at managing guys.
They’re just riding on Bron’s influence and is Bron’s way to get intel and get cheap players to play with him.

Klutch didnt get to their status by being smart.
They got their because of Bron.

Not because this is my team. But honestly this is the worse case of player negotiations I have ever seen. If Ben had been traded in the summer. Klutch was willing to dump him on another team knowing he had a mental situation that would require maintenance and time away from the game. Wow.

[76ciology]

Klutch is just bad at managing guys.
They’re just riding on Bron’s influence and is Bron’s way to get intel and get cheap players to play with him.

Klutch didnt get to their status by being smart.
They got their because of Bron.

Not because this is my team. But honestly this is the worse case of player negotiations I have ever seen. If Ben had been traded in the summer. Klutch was willing to dump him on another team knowing he had a mental situation that would require maintenance and time away from the game. Wow.

Agree. They dug their own grave.

[Sixerscan]

I tend to think this is Ben more than Klutch at this point. They have dozens of other clients none of them are not acting like this. Even Anthony Davis played until they sent him home. But Klutch getting blamed is probably better for his trade value I guess.

[the_process]

Dealing with the name of the thread...

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[Murray_17]

I tend to think this is Ben more than Klutch at this point. They have dozens of other clients none of them are not acting like this. Even Anthony Davis played until they sent him home. But Klutch getting blamed is probably better for his trade value I guess.

I see your point. But Rich Paul, as an agent, should know when to say yes and when to say no to his players, specially if he's the one who has to go out there and be the mouthpiece selected. By doing stuff like this he's not only harming Ben, he's tanking his own value as an agent if this doesn't get a good resolution for Ben.

[Mik317]

EH

i think their "plan" normally would work in most situations. Very few teams are able to call their bluff. We have Biid who can keep a team afloat. Morey and Doc have job security thanks to their predecessors still being on the book if nothing else. And then the team galvanized and didn't implode. That generally is not how it goes. The Rockets were poopy with Fat Harden and the owner who is bleeding money probably didn't want to pay for said product. Thus easy tor force his way out. The Pels are a **** show of a FO and an ownership who doesn't really care about the team. Klutch assumed that Morey would buckle and that the team would die...neither happened and their Plans B-E also didn't pan out... it really wasn't supposed to get this far and luckily for us it has but that doesn't mean they will stop trying. And honestly, stepping away from it as a Sixers fan and attempting to put myself in Ben's or Rich Paul's shoes...they kinda have to keep trying at this stage. In too deep and all that jazz but also if they end up "winning" this "war"; thats a big gain for them and for Ben returning to this enviroment after all of the **** they tried would give him real mental issues and I wouldn't want to deal with that either if I was him. Its like you storm out of a room in anger...only to have to return to get your keys...**** is awkward bro.

[Sixerscan]

EH

i think their "plan" normally would work in most situations. Very few teams are able to call their bluff. We have Biid who can keep a team afloat. Morey and Doc have job security thanks to their predecessors still being on the book if nothing else. And then the team galvanized and didn't implode. That generally is not how it goes. The Rockets were poopy with Fat Harden and the owner who is bleeding money probably didn't want to pay for said product. Thus easy tor force his way out. The Pels are a **** show of a FO and an ownership who doesn't really care about the team. Klutch assumed that Morey would buckle and that the team would die...neither happened and their Plans B-E also didn't pan out... it really wasn't supposed to get this far and luckily for us it has but that doesn't mean they will stop trying. And honestly, stepping away from it as a Sixers fan and attempting to put myself in Ben's or Rich Paul's shoes...they kinda have to keep trying at this stage. In too deep and all that jazz but also if they end up "winning" this "war"; thats a big gain for them and for Ben returning to this enviroment after all of the **** they tried would give him real mental issues and I wouldn't want to deal with that either if I was him. Its like you storm out of a room in anger...only to have to return to get your keys...**** is awkward bro.

IDK about "most" situations. It works if you are an elite player on a non-contending team. Like, Korkmaz demanded a trade like 3 years ago and he's still here. Ben thought he was Harden or Anthony Davis and he's not, and he also tried to do it right after he played his worst basketball.

It's also not like those guys immediately got traded after asking for it. Harden asked for the trade during the offseason and then was on the team for like a month, Davis was on the team for a while after. Going back, Dwight, Melo, those guys had to wait a while. Sometimes you get lucky and the right trade just happens, but a lot of the times it doesn't.

Heck, today is the anniversary of the Sixers trading for Butler, after he apparently demanded a trade around the draft and then did what he did during camp.

[Eyeamok]

EH

i think their "plan" normally would work in most situations. Very few teams are able to call their bluff. We have Biid who can keep a team afloat. Morey and Doc have job security thanks to their predecessors still being on the book if nothing else. And then the team galvanized and didn't implode. That generally is not how it goes. The Rockets were poopy with Fat Harden and the owner who is bleeding money probably didn't want to pay for said product. Thus easy tor force his way out. The Pels are a **** show of a FO and an ownership who doesn't really care about the team. Klutch assumed that Morey would buckle and that the team would die...neither happened and their Plans B-E also didn't pan out... it really wasn't supposed to get this far and luckily for us it has but that doesn't mean they will stop trying. And honestly, stepping away from it as a Sixers fan and attempting to put myself in Ben's or Rich Paul's shoes...they kinda have to keep trying at this stage. In too deep and all that jazz but also if they end up "winning" this "war"; thats a big gain for them and for Ben returning to this enviroment after all of the **** they tried would give him real mental issues and I wouldn't want to deal with that either if I was him. Its like you storm out of a room in anger...only to have to return to get your keys...**** is awkward bro.

You talk about being in too deep. There is one way Ben can save face and that's to fire Klutch. Nothing has been directly attributed to him. He can get new representation and say my agency led me astray. He won't but he could and if he is not traded he will probably wish he had.

[Skates]

I really don't want Fox and sure as hell don't want Tristan Thompson within a thousand miles of this team, just no to that trade proposal.

There are more and more teams that are either falling apart completely (New Orleans), stuck in neutral forever (Sacramento, San Antonio, Minnesota), under performing openly (Atlanta) despite gobs of talent or a little more sneakily looking good but at the same time leaking like a sieve on defense (Charlotte) and who the heck knows what is going on in Portland, there will be trade opportunities where Simmons is a fit coming up. Teams have lots of guys in therapy, IMO most of us probably could and should be, but I think everyone sees this as the mess that Klutch assuring Simmons he could hold out and get paid back later has created and in a trade scenario would get reassurances that Simmons is not suffering from any acute mental illness that will keep him from playing (not saying he doesn't have issues that need addressing, but that can be done while being a productive person at your job, happens every day everywhere).

I think this is on a very immature Simmons and his enablers and over reachers at Klutch equally. Ben is what he is, coddled and needing of a fan base, coach and organization that will love him unconditionally, which is whatever, and Klutch thought they had this whole agent thing figured out, could do and promise and deliver on anything and the league was waiting for them to overreach. In the end this is going to become an issue with holdouts on long term deals being a major issue in the CBA when it gets negotiated and Simmons will be the poster boy for the owner's pushing on that.

December and possibly mid-January, depending on the players of interest and contracts becoming movable, will be when the deal goes down at the latest. We need some size and athleticism at both the 2 and 3, the last few games have shown that we are too small and lack burst and creation at those positions most of all, plus someone to serve as a third PG if we don't get a physical enough PG to move Maxey up one spot. Curry is really a bench player, I love him, but he belongs there with Shake and Thybulle and the rest of the bench gang, great player for the price, but not a starter on a contender. A multi-player or team trade or series of trades starting with a Simmons trade can shore those issues up nicely.

[PhillyFan11]

Does a Pascal Siakam deal make a lot more sense for both teams at this point? The emergence of Maxey and Scottie Barnes for their respective teams makes it a lot more logical than it was a few months ago imo. Still not convinced Siakam is a great fit for the Sixers, but don’t think he’s necessarily a bad fit either.

[Bum Adebayo]

Siakam is not a good fit, hard pass, we need to target guys like Fox or Irving if we are talking about somewhat realistic targets.

[mjkvol]

The bottom line is something we all know for certain at this point. Barring him improving his shooting and overall offensive game (which is highly unlikely), Simmons' only real value (assuming he is mentally stable) is being the guy a bad team builds around to get to play-in level. Put a bunch of shooters around him and he will elevate a bad team, and he will sell tickets. They'll never get beyond that point, but for a Minnesota or Sacramento, that would be a home run in the near future.

[SixersFanInNY]

I tend to think this is Ben more than Klutch at this point. They have dozens of other clients none of them are not acting like this. Even Anthony Davis played until they sent him home. But Klutch getting blamed is probably better for his trade value I guess.

I think its both. Earlier in the summer when there were "leaks" that Maxey would also want to be traded, Maxey quickly shot it down. I am guessing that it was a Klutch leak to pressure the Sixers, and Maxey quickly told them 'Dont drag me into into your Simmons-Sixers battle'. In Simmons' case, I'm guessing the reports are originated by Klutch but Simmons is fully on board with it.

[the_process]

Does a Pascal Siakam deal make a lot more sense for both teams at this point? The emergence of Maxey and Scottie Barnes for their respective teams makes it a lot more logical than it was a few months ago imo. Still not convinced Siakam is a great fit for the Sixers, but don’t think he’s necessarily a bad fit either.

A Ben for Siakam deal would have to be immediately followed up a Harris for a guard deal.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just need to hang on a little longer. Sacto, Portland, Minny, and New Orleans are all about to blow.

[Declan]

Just need to hang on a little longer. Sacto, Portland, Minny, and New Orleans are all about to blow.

Bingo
Morey is playing this perfect

[Tomjas]

If you place any value on defence then Fox is not your guy

If all you care about is offence then CJ is better than Fox

Happy medium is Spurs package

[Arsenal]

Most probable endgame is De'Aaron Fox. Fine with a straight swap for Ben, and I suspect Morey will be too. Asking for more is just posturing and negotiation.

Fox has his problems, but perhaps his biggest problem is playing on a bad team. Put him here with Embiid and the crew and he should thrive.

A 1-2 PG punch of Fox starting and Maxey coming off the bench would mean nonstop pressure on opposing defenses.

And our roster is well set up to complement those guys and Embiid with tons of shooters.