Iguodala says Kyrie Irving is top 4 point guard of all time

[Tor_Raps]

Dude has barely been a top 4 PG during most seasons of his career and yet he's top 4 of all time LOL

[Prez]

Iggy is dumb about this, clearly. The question is how much of it is Iggy genuinely being dumb vs how much is him just propping up Kyrie to make their 2016 choke look not as bad and their 2017 title win look better.

I honestly don’t even think he’s a top 5 PG of the last 5 years, let alone 4th all time lmfao.

Like if you took the best season of all PGs within the time frame of 2016-21, I’d take the following guys at their peak season on my team over Kyrie:

Curry
Paul
Westbrook
Lillard
Lowry

And that’s obviously excluding guys who aren’t really PGs but more so playmaking wings (Harden, Doncic, etc).

[Wolfgang630]

He’s had hard times being top 4 of his own era so please

[Pelly24]

Kyrie is an elite, top 11-top 15 player in the game, and has been since 2017-2018. There's no team in the league that he wouldn't make immensely better. His style of play fits literally every system. He can play fast or slow, he takes care of the ball, and he's a decent defender that can be a great one when he decides to. On his best day, he's pretty much as good as any guard ever. He kinda oscillates between All-NBA 1st level and All-NBA Third team level over the course of a season. He's a walking 25/5/6 on +4 TS% no matter where he goes, and possibly regardless of era. His game most likely wouldn't be affected by these new free throw rules because he's elite at everything on offense except for pass, which he's just "very good" at. If he were to be healthy/and or interested in playing basketball like it was his job, he would already have 17k points and 5 assists, and he'd probably finish his career with like 25k points, 7k assists and and almost 5k rebounds and 8 or 9 all-nba teams and multiple championships. I think he's better than Paul Pierce, Deron Williams, Ray Allen and Tony Parker ever were. He's got the talent and, if he played more, even at this level, he'd surpass these guys in career accolades.

All of that said, Iggy is wrong here lol. Kyrie might be a top 10 pg ever, but even then ehhh. But I like the respect people are giving. When it comes to scoring skills and adaptability, Kyrie is second to no one, possibly ever, is what I'll say.

[Pelly24]

After Curry and Dame, Kyrie has clearly been the best point guard in the league the last three seasons. Y'all saying "not top 4 in his own era" are being wild lol.

[mumoy]

Lol at Kyrie and Dame. The two most overrated pgs in the last few years. One is riding the coattails of a game winner years ago and the other is loyal.

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[Knicks Byke]

What he did in the finals against the warriors warrants that praise. That team was excellent defensively and irving just dismantaled them in a way I haent seen a guy that small do. The guy hits so many tough shots and contested finishes and is still extremely efficent. dre thinks he klay draymond and that team are some of the best defenders ever, and kyrie just straight up iso pullup on them repeatedly, broke them down and finished over them in ways that people dont even think to do.

IT?

The real IT.

[Kvothe22]

Its True. He is in top 4 guards now. And since now NBA is best as ever been its logical to think he is in best 4 ever.

Whoever you think its no1 PG atm is also best pg ever.

Since players and game never been better.

Everything in the world gets Better and develop. Best surgeon atm is surely Better than best one from 30y ago.

[J_T]

Usually people start loosing their mind when they are 70+ but Iggy seems to be a an early bird.

[mhd]

Kyrie is an elite, top 11-top 15 player in the game, and has been since 2017-2018. There's no team in the league that he wouldn't make immensely better. His style of play fits literally every system. He can play fast or slow, he takes care of the ball, and he's a decent defender that can be a great one when he decides to. On his best day, he's pretty much as good as any guard ever. He kinda oscillates between All-NBA 1st level and All-NBA Third team level over the course of a season. He's a walking 25/5/6 on +4 TS% no matter where he goes, and possibly regardless of era. His game most likely wouldn't be affected by these new free throw rules because he's elite at everything on offense except for pass, which he's just "very good" at. If he were to be healthy/and or interested in playing basketball like it was his job, he would already have 17k points and 5 assists, and he'd probably finish his career with like 25k points, 7k assists and and almost 5k rebounds and 8 or 9 all-nba teams and multiple championships. I think he's better than Paul Pierce, Deron Williams, Ray Allen and Tony Parker ever were. He's got the talent and, if he played more, even at this level, he'd surpass these guys in career accolades.

All of that said, Iggy is wrong here lol. Kyrie might be a top 10 pg ever, but even then ehhh. But I like the respect people are giving. When it comes to scoring skills and adaptability, Kyrie is second to no one, possibly ever, is what I'll say.

"As good as any guard ever"

Come on, he's never in MJ's league. MJ dominated on offense and defense. Kyrie has been a horrific defender for most of his career (he's gotten better recently), but he'll never be in the Kidd, Stockton, Payton realm of PG defenders.

Kidd (obviously without the scoring ability), still dominated with defense, passing, and leadership. He immediately turned around the Nets, and was one of the smartest players ever (See example of the Mike Woodson incident).

Kyrie's not a "very good" passer. I'd say all the All-timer PGs were significantly better passers than Kyrie (Magic, Stockton, Kidd, CP3, etc).

[Johnny Tomala]

Iggy is dumb about this, clearly. The question is how much of it is Iggy genuinely being dumb vs how much is him just propping up Kyrie to make their 2016 choke look not as bad and their 2017 title win look better.

I honestly don’t even think he’s a top 5 PG of the last 5 years, let alone 4th all time lmfao.

Like if you took the best season of all PGs within the time frame of 2016-21, I’d take the following guys at their peak season on my team over Kyrie:

Curry
Paul
Westbrook
Lillard
Lowry

And that’s obviously excluding guys who aren’t really PGs but more so playmaking wings (Harden, Doncic, etc).

There is no way Lowry is better than Irving. Lowry is extremely overrated on this board.

[-Sammy-]

[maradro]

Kyrie is an elite, top 11-top 15 player in the game, and has been since 2017-2018. There's no team in the league that he wouldn't make immensely better. His style of play fits literally every system. He can play fast or slow, he takes care of the ball, and he's a decent defender that can be a great one when he decides to. On his best day, he's pretty much as good as any guard ever. He kinda oscillates between All-NBA 1st level and All-NBA Third team level over the course of a season. He's a walking 25/5/6 on +4 TS% no matter where he goes, and possibly regardless of era. His game most likely wouldn't be affected by these new free throw rules because he's elite at everything on offense except for pass, which he's just "very good" at. If he were to be healthy/and or interested in playing basketball like it was his job, he would already have 17k points and 5 assists, and he'd probably finish his career with like 25k points, 7k assists and and almost 5k rebounds and 8 or 9 all-nba teams and multiple championships. I think he's better than Paul Pierce, Deron Williams, Ray Allen and Tony Parker ever were. He's got the talent and, if he played more, even at this level, he'd surpass these guys in career accolades.

All of that said, Iggy is wrong here lol. Kyrie might be a top 10 pg ever, but even then ehhh. But I like the respect people are giving. When it comes to scoring skills and adaptability, Kyrie is second to no one, possibly ever, is what I'll say.

A whole lot of ifs in there...

Kyrie is Tony Parker with better handles and a 3 pt shot and worse decision making on and off the court.

He has the skills to be much better but basketball is not only skills- work ethic, leadership, playing for the team, matter quite a lot

Kyrie has played better than parker in individual games, sure.. over the course of a whole season? I don't think he has one better than parker 12-13, regardless what raw stats say..

And no one considers parker a top 10 PG myself included.

Like others said this is Iggy propping up his former opponent to make his own achievements look better. There are lots of pgs I'd rather have on my team than kyrie, even if most of them are less skilled with the ball

[art_tatum]

Talent and skill wise i agree.

[HMFFL]

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10017983-andre-iguodala-says-kyrie-irving-is-the-4th-best-pg-in-nba-history.amp.html

This could very well be true in behind the scene pickup games. Nothing in game has indicated it to be true.

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[art_tatum]

I mean the best of kyrie is top 3/4.
Who's is better? Magic, curry. Maybe peak cp3

[mowcrowbar]

He says a lot of **** just to troll around.

[mhd]

I mean the best of kyrie is top 3/4.
Who's is better? Magic, curry. Maybe peak cp3

You forgetting Stockton & Kidd on purpose? Those guys actually played defense! .

Here's glove on Stockton:

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Here's Isiah on Stockton (calling him a killer (in a praise worthy way):

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[Pelly24]

Kyrie is an elite, top 11-top 15 player in the game, and has been since 2017-2018. There's no team in the league that he wouldn't make immensely better. His style of play fits literally every system. He can play fast or slow, he takes care of the ball, and he's a decent defender that can be a great one when he decides to. On his best day, he's pretty much as good as any guard ever. He kinda oscillates between All-NBA 1st level and All-NBA Third team level over the course of a season. He's a walking 25/5/6 on +4 TS% no matter where he goes, and possibly regardless of era. His game most likely wouldn't be affected by these new free throw rules because he's elite at everything on offense except for pass, which he's just "very good" at. If he were to be healthy/and or interested in playing basketball like it was his job, he would already have 17k points and 5 assists, and he'd probably finish his career with like 25k points, 7k assists and and almost 5k rebounds and 8 or 9 all-nba teams and multiple championships. I think he's better than Paul Pierce, Deron Williams, Ray Allen and Tony Parker ever were. He's got the talent and, if he played more, even at this level, he'd surpass these guys in career accolades.

All of that said, Iggy is wrong here lol. Kyrie might be a top 10 pg ever, but even then ehhh. But I like the respect people are giving. When it comes to scoring skills and adaptability, Kyrie is second to no one, possibly ever, is what I'll say.

A whole lot of ifs in there...

Kyrie is Tony Parker with better handles and a 3 pt shot and worse decision making on and off the court.

He has the skills to be much better but basketball is not only skills- work ethic, leadership, playing for the team, matter quite a lot

Kyrie has played better than parker in individual games, sure.. over the course of a whole season? I don't think he has one better than parker 12-13, regardless what raw stats say..

And no one considers parker a top 10 PG myself included.

Like others said this is Iggy propping up his former opponent to make his own achievements look better. There are lots of pgs I'd rather have on my team than kyrie, even if most of them are less skilled with the ball

My ifs really only have to do with like, surface level stuff. In terms of how good he is, we have a really good idea. He's averaged 25/4/6 on +4 or +5 TS% since his peak began about four years ago. An average of around .19 ws/48, an average PER of around 25, 49/40/89 splits. His teams have all been successful. On its own, he's already made almost as many All-NBA teams as Tony Parker in a more difficult era to make it for guards, and he's already been an all-star more times, all that. His impact and consistency the last four or five years don't even really leave that much room for interpretation: the Kyrie we've seen on the court has been one of the best offensive players in the league no matter the organization, the teammates, the coaches, none of that. It's always the same. The issues have been health, but just as badly, his awful attitude and pseudo-intellectualism (lol smh).

I think Kyrie is a lot better than any version of Parker. Parker played with better teammates than Celtics Kyrie and his stats and impact were worse understandably, but those 2012-2014 Spurs teams would've been unstoppable if they had a guy that could drop 60 points and could do it on and off ball. Kyrie is also a better defender than Tony Parker.

There are a bunch of guards I'd rather have than Kyrie when considering his attitude. I'd even live with the health issues. But with his attitude, he's just totally unreliable. But his play style and all-around ability fit in everywhere and there's not really even one team he wouldn't make a huge difference on. Next to Jokic instead of Murray, next to Harden when he was in Houston, next to Embiid instead of Simmons, on the Heat instead of Tyler Herro...it's a long list. His skills and ability to always do what he does best is a huge deal. But because of the way he is, I wouldn't put him in the top 10 point guards (unless he somehow plays four more seasons at his 2017-2021 level) and I wouldn't take the risk to put him on my team.

[Memories]

I don't think it's that crazy but it's borderline. I'd say something closer to top 7.

Five years ago everyone would've say Westbrook over Kyrie but today, most would take Kyrie (the basketball player not the person) in an instant, in spite of Westbrook's triple doubles.

It's Magic, CP3, Steph, Oscar (was he a point or shooting guard?), Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Isiah, and Russell in some order.

Kyrie is a better shooter than all but Steph and Nash. He has the best handle and can get to his spot the best of the entire group. He has a ring and hit the game winning shot to do it. He has 7 All Stars and 3 All NBA teams. That's honestly where he's lacking the most: the All NBA teams and All Stars, because he's been injured so much. Again, I don't see top 4, but it's closer than people want to acknowledge.

Kyrie ain't better than Gary Payton, Allen Iverson, and Walt Fraizer either.

Big O was a Point Guard, even though during his time, they were only called just guards.