Is Juluis Randle a fraud?

[thebuzzardman]

Can't blame a 3rd option for being asked to play 1st option and failing.

sure we can. you must be new here.

Randle would totally embrace not being the #1 option...

[Buttah304]

Fake hustle

Buzz - is RJ not the most infuriating young prospect we’ve had in a while? I’m doing my best to tell myself he’s 21 and in his 3rd year. But for the life of me these seesaw swings are mind boggling. RJ has no “grey area” when it comes to playing basketball. This guy is either gonna go 12-19 FG and look like a budding star or he’s going to be 1-9 from the field, not playing defense with careless turnovers.

If he’s not going to be on his A game, why can’t he find himself a middle ground. Call it going 7-19 FG or even 5-13 FG where he’s still making somewhat of an impact.

I’m also done with the excuses of “we don’t run enough plays for RJ” or simply “put the ball in his hands” and watch him go to work. This isn’t Harden or Luka running the P&R. The answer isn’t that simple when it comes to his game - to me that’s just a cop out.

Again - he’s either a budding star or he doesn’t even look like he belongs on the court. I’m lost here.

[Rasho Brezec]

Can't blame a 3rd option for being asked to play 1st option and failing.

sure we can. you must be new here.

I miss the days of arguments Wilson vs Gallo and Lin vs Melo when we actually had the talent to pit against each other, now we're arguing if our best player sucks a lot or a bit less.

[Clyde_Style]

Fake hustle

Buzz - is RJ not the most infuriating young prospect we’ve had in a while? I’m doing my best to tell myself he’s 21 and in his 3rd year. But for the life of me these seesaw swings are mind boggling. RJ has no “grey area” when it comes to playing basketball. This guy is either gonna go 12-19 FG and look like a budding star or he’s going to be 1-9 from the field, not playing defense with careless turnovers.

If he’s not going to be on his A game, why can’t he find himself a middle ground. Call it going 7-19 FG or even 5-13 FG where he’s still making somewhat of an impact.

I’m also done with the excuses of “we don’t run enough plays for RJ” or simply “put the ball in his hands” and watch him go to work. This isn’t Harden or Luka running the P&R. The answer isn’t that simple when it comes to his game - to me that’s just a cop out.

Again - he’s either a budding star or he doesn’t even look like he belongs on the court. I’m lost here.

It is getting weird. RJ last night was a guy who forgot how to play basketball.

This is the issue now. Most of us have lauded his grit and will to succeed, but if so much of his game depends on mindset then at some point these kinds of swings can destroy the confidence RJ requires. He’s in a freefall now. Last night may have been the worst game of his career because it’s his third year and he literally did everything wrong. Not writing him off, but I’ve backed away and am ready to use him as a trade asset if this continues.

[prophet_of_rage]

Can't blame a 3rd option for being asked to play 1st option and failing.

sure we can. you must be new here.

Randle would totally embrace not being the #1 option...

Julius left money on the table for that very reason.

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[RHODEY]

He had a contract year in a season where no fans were allowed. We all seen what he was like his first season in NY. Where he got the Nick name no handle Randle. Running into double teams that everyone saw coming but himself

This man isnt built for NY. Once fans came back , he started playing like s***. He cant handle hostile crowds. He cant handle pressure. Knicks is the heaviest jersey in the league. Hes better off playing for a team like the Timberwolves. Go put up your empty stats elsewhere

Nota fraud, but he has some real mental blocks and ego issues. The coach is not doing his job - instead he has coddle him. I understand Thibs is in a tough spot but I think the title should be:

"Is Thibs is a fraud?"

[nedleeds]

Julius is going to go down as the man who saved the Knicks franchise from the purgatory!!!!!

Truly one of the greatest Knicks of all Time when it’s said and done!!!!

This was maybe a positive deal when signed. Right now what would it take to get off this deal or is there any team in the league that would want Randle for even neutral expiring and a pick?

[nedleeds]

He had a contract year in a season where no fans were allowed. We all seen what he was like his first season in NY. Where he got the Nick name no handle Randle. Running into double teams that everyone saw coming but himself

This man isnt built for NY. Once fans came back , he started playing like s***. He cant handle hostile crowds. He cant handle pressure. Knicks is the heaviest jersey in the league. Hes better off playing for a team like the Timberwolves. Go put up your empty stats elsewhere

Nota fraud, but he has some real mental blocks and ego issues. The coach is not doing his job - instead he has coddle him. I understand Thibs is in a tough spot but I think the title should be:

"Is Thibs is a fraud?"

100% Thibs is a fraud. At least from an in game perspective, maybe his preparation is other worldly. His rotations are ghastly, clock management is non-existent. Late / close game offense defense is worthless and actively almost cost us at least 2 wins. And in game he coddles players who are just chucking, or loafing because he lines his minutes up by contract value.

[thebuzzardman]

Fake hustle

Buzz - is RJ not the most infuriating young prospect we’ve had in a while? I’m doing my best to tell myself he’s 21 and in his 3rd year. But for the life of me these seesaw swings are mind boggling. RJ has no “grey area” when it comes to playing basketball. This guy is either gonna go 12-19 FG and look like a budding star or he’s going to be 1-9 from the field, not playing defense with careless turnovers.

If he’s not going to be on his A game, why can’t he find himself a middle ground. Call it going 7-19 FG or even 5-13 FG where he’s still making somewhat of an impact.

I’m also done with the excuses of “we don’t run enough plays for RJ” or simply “put the ball in his hands” and watch him go to work. This isn’t Harden or Luka running the P&R. The answer isn’t that simple when it comes to his game - to me that’s just a cop out.

Again - he’s either a budding star or he doesn’t even look like he belongs on the court. I’m lost here.

He's not it. He's a 4th option on a good team. That's the way the draft cookie crumbles sometimes.

Probably, the Knicks should have traded back and acquired another first round pick to build up their depleted youth.
But, the same FO, or some crossover, thought Frank, then Knox, were good ideas, so it was probably not realistic to expect two things:
a) To glean that RJ wasn't really it and extract another 1st rounder, because a player of his ability and value could have been found X amount of spots down
b) To assume that that FO, now armed with TWO picks, wouldn't have sort of f*cked up both of them.

The Knicks don't draft badly, but they don't draft well. They never hit it out of the park, they never make the wisest of all moves, they never trade up in a big way, or conversely, trade back in a big way. They are mediocre at drafting now, after going back to back with Frank and Knox was abjectly terrible.

No fault of RJ, but after those debacles, Knicks needed to hit it out of the park, but that draft had only 2, and maybe 1 considering Zion's bulk and knees, 1 team altering player. But again, really GOOD FO's suss that out, while Knicks wound up being an ordinary FO - not so bad, but not good enough after the Frankenknox messes.

And, that trend continues. Obi/IQ is solid, but not spectacular. Grimes\McBride\Eurodude\flip-a-mavs-pick-tothefuture is kind of mediocre again. On a team that really needed to make up for two bad drafts, two mediocre drafts.

Whatever. Maybe Rose somehow makes magic happen, but going from Phil to Mills to Mills/Perry is a lot to overcome.

Plus, the Knicks retained Perry, god only knows why. That's an indication this FO doesn't really have it's sh*t together, so it probably doesn't improve during this FO reign.

But King Dolan will swing the axe in 3 years and we'll get in the next collection of NBA castoffs\barely qualified guys.

[RHODEY]

He had a contract year in a season where no fans were allowed. We all seen what he was like his first season in NY. Where he got the Nick name no handle Randle. Running into double teams that everyone saw coming but himself

This man isnt built for NY. Once fans came back , he started playing like s***. He cant handle hostile crowds. He cant handle pressure. Knicks is the heaviest jersey in the league. Hes better off playing for a team like the Timberwolves. Go put up your empty stats elsewhere

Nota fraud, but he has some real mental blocks and ego issues. The coach is not doing his job - instead he has coddle him. I understand Thibs is in a tough spot but I think the title should be:

"Is Thibs is a fraud?"

100% Thibs is a fraud. At least from an in game perspective, maybe his preparation is other worldly. His rotations are ghastly, clock management is non-existent. Late / close game offense defense is worthless and actively almost cost us at least 2 wins. And in game he coddles players who are just chucking, or loafing because he lines his minutes up by contract value.

Ill be honest didn't watch the 2nd half last night after I saw the score board went from us being up 9, then tied, then down 8 in a matter of minutes. I heard thibs took out OBI again for Randle even though he was cooking again...

His favoritism for vets - specifically Randle - is very real and very damaging.

[thebuzzardman]

sure we can. you must be new here.

Randle would totally embrace not being the #1 option...

Julius left money on the table for that very reason.

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His behavior his entire career, outside one covid shortened season, say otherwise.

He took the deal because that's what he got offered, because Aller isn't a complete chump like Mills or Perry.

[nedleeds]

Randle would totally embrace not being the #1 option...

Julius left money on the table for that very reason.

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His behavior his entire career, outside one covid shortened season, say otherwise.

He took the deal because that's what he got offered, because Aller isn't a complete chump like Mills or Perry.

He took the deal because there wasn't any remotely comparable offer out there this coming Summer. And the Knicks were obviously picking up his option. What were the chances of him repeating fake All-NBA 2nd team? With real crowds, more real opposing teams and a full 82 games. Really low.

I ask the same question of our brain dead FO. What was the absolute worst case of letting Randle play it out? He plays well but is so anally wounded that we didn't extend that he won't accept our higher offer with an extra year via Bird rights? So many things have to happen for that to materialize.

He has to play awesome
We probably need to make the playoffs and he can't be a donkey in the 1st round
He has to stay healthy
Another team has to be willing to throw a non-Bird max to him, they need basically max space, not have a ball dominant power forward already in place, not be tanking ... who?

[robillionaire]

Julius left money on the table for that very reason.

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His behavior his entire career, outside one covid shortened season, say otherwise.

He took the deal because that's what he got offered, because Aller isn't a complete chump like Mills or Perry.

He took the deal because there wasn't any remotely comparable offer out there this coming Summer. And the Knicks were obviously picking up his option. What were the chances of him repeating fake All-NBA 2nd team? With real crowds, more real opposing teams and a full 82 games. Really low.

I ask the same question of our brain dead FO. What was the absolute worst case of letting Randle play it out? He plays well but is so anally wounded that we didn't extend that he won't accept our higher offer with an extra year via Bird rights? So many things have to happen for that to materialize.

He has to play awesome
We probably need to make the playoffs and he can't be a donkey in the 1st round
He has to stay healthy
Another team has to be willing to throw a non-Bird max to him, they need basically max space, not have a ball dominant power forward already in place, not be tanking ... who?

it's a useless thought exercise because he's already here for 5 years

[HEZI]

Randle is being badly coached. He needs to be told that he has to play within the team concept - and not attempt to be the straw that stirs the drink. He's a good shooter and very skilled offensively - but he doesn't play hard enough on defense and slows everything up on offense when he begins molesting the basketball.

How do you play with team concept when RJ can't hit anything and boston backcourt is too scared to shoot?

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Evan Fournier had an interesting quote when he said

"So are we playing not as well because we are missing shots or are we missing shots because we aren’t sharing the ball.’’

[FrozenEnvelope]

Randle is a fraud if you're expecting him to be LeBron, KD or Curry.

[DOT]

It's clearly not entirely on him

But he does need to play better

And part of being the guy is that you get held to a higher standard. Just being "not the only issue" isn't good enough for him at this point.

[thebuzzardman]

Randle is being badly coached. He needs to be told that he has to play within the team concept - and not attempt to be the straw that stirs the drink. He's a good shooter and very skilled offensively - but he doesn't play hard enough on defense and slows everything up on offense when he begins molesting the basketball.

How do you play with team concept when RJ can't hit anything and boston backcourt is too scared to shoot?

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Evan Fournier had an interesting quote when he said

"So are we playing not as well because we are missing shots or are we missing shots because we aren’t sharing the ball.’’

Let's do process of elimination.

He's not specifically blaming himself. One down.
It's not Mitch/Noel/Taj, because, well, obvious.

That leaves, as the guilty party(ies):

RJ
Kember
Randle.

Gee. Who might it be?

[thebuzzardman]

His behavior his entire career, outside one covid shortened season, say otherwise.

He took the deal because that's what he got offered, because Aller isn't a complete chump like Mills or Perry.

He took the deal because there wasn't any remotely comparable offer out there this coming Summer. And the Knicks were obviously picking up his option. What were the chances of him repeating fake All-NBA 2nd team? With real crowds, more real opposing teams and a full 82 games. Really low.

I ask the same question of our brain dead FO. What was the absolute worst case of letting Randle play it out? He plays well but is so anally wounded that we didn't extend that he won't accept our higher offer with an extra year via Bird rights? So many things have to happen for that to materialize.

He has to play awesome
We probably need to make the playoffs and he can't be a donkey in the 1st round
He has to stay healthy
Another team has to be willing to throw a non-Bird max to him, they need basically max space, not have a ball dominant power forward already in place, not be tanking ... who?

it's a useless thought exercise because he's already here for 5 years

Fingers crossed Knicks don't make the same mistake with RJ

[robillionaire]

It's clearly not entirely on him

But he does need to play better

And part of being the guy is that you get held to a higher standard. Just being "not the only issue" isn't good enough for him at this point.

That's true but I think we all know in an ideal world he shouldn't really be "the guy". In fact even with the extension he's not being paid "the guy" money he's being paid high end role player/borderline all-star money. There are many players paid the same or more than him that contribute significantly less than he does. But for now he still has to step into that 1st option role because this team is devoid of any other high level talent and nobody else can do it.

We got what we paid for, probably a steady 20-10-5 or on a down year 19-9-4 and borderline all-star at the PF position. But we still need to get a real #1 in here or a 2nd borderline all-star to share responsibilities or AT LEAST an established playmaker PG to keep him under control when he get rattled and tries to do too much.

A large part of the criticism is just because people want Obi to play more and are becoming infatuated with his 7ppg and fast break dunks

Prat of me wants to see Randle take a week off so Obi can get out there for 30 mins with Kemba Fournier RJ and Mitch and I think it would be a wake up call when there's no spacing because he shoots 11% from 3 and there's no playmaking since Randle leads the team in assists, rebounding probably also takes a hit and he won't be able play like he's been shot out of a cannon in 6 minute spurts for an entire game. He has to at least prove he can shoot the ball before people take it seriously that he should be starting at the 4 or that we should trade a proven all-star PF

[FreeSpiritNY]

Imagine a player like Julius Randle have the ball in his hands the most in the nba even less compared Steph curry