When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[Magic_Kingdom]

Isaac said he'll be back in a couple weeks at the conservatism conference.

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This is where his focus is right now. Great.

It's been about one year, three and a half months since his injury.

[Magic_Kingdom]

You clearly don't understand how intelligent discourse works.

You made a claim that I think most on this board don't believe is true - it's not my responsibility to blindly believe you. The NBA COVID protocols are published for the public to see - that's the source material and the information that we should deem as true until another source proves it incorrect. You haven't done that - just called names and stated you disagree with the protocols.

Unfortunately, intelligent discourse cannot take place if 1 party does not understand that state law takes precedence over company policy. Ultimately, a company policy cannot require someone to stay in their house when not at work. You don't understand this very basic concept and I pity you.

I will leave this conversation at that.

I understand it just fine. You don't seem to understand the difference between something being illegal and something being a violation of an employment contract. JI isn't going to get arrested for leaving his house or eating dinner with the team but the team can punish/fine JI for violating protocol and the NBA can punish/fine the Orlando Magic for not following protocol.

At the end of the day, the Orlando Magic have to follow the NBA COVID protocols whether you incorrectly think they are illegal or you disagree with them in general.

Show me anything that's not simply your words telling us that that's not true.

Swarles is right, there are currently no laws in the State of Florida prohibiting an employer from enacting COVID protocols as a condition of employment. There's been a lot of bluster from DeSantis, but even that is primarily on the issue of vaccine mandates and not workplace protocols.

It's just like with any employer rule that you feel violates your freedoms -- you don't have to follow it, but the employer has the right to terminate you for non-compliance. You can go find another job that doesn't require vaccines, or masks, or non-vaccinated employees to be treated differently. Isaac doesn't have to play in the NBA. He seems to know a lot about virology, maybe he can get a job with a biomedical research lab.

[AaronB]

Unfortunately, intelligent discourse cannot take place if 1 party does not understand that state law takes precedence over company policy. Ultimately, a company policy cannot require someone to stay in their house when not at work. You don't understand this very basic concept and I pity you.

I will leave this conversation at that.

I understand it just fine. You don't seem to understand the difference between something being illegal and something being a violation of an employment contract. JI isn't going to get arrested for leaving his house or eating dinner with the team but the team can punish/fine JI for violating protocol and the NBA can punish/fine the Orlando Magic for not following protocol.

At the end of the day, the Orlando Magic have to follow the NBA COVID protocols whether you incorrectly think they are illegal or you disagree with them in general.

Show me anything that's not simply your words telling us that that's not true.

Swarles is right, there are currently no laws in the State of Florida prohibiting an employer from enacting COVID protocols as a condition of employment. There's been a lot of bluster from DeSantis, but even that is primarily on the issue of vaccine mandates and not workplace protocols.

It's just like with any employer rule that you feel violates your freedoms -- you don't have to follow it, but the employer has the right to terminate you for non-compliance. You can go find another job that doesn't require vaccines, or masks, or non-vaccinated employees to be treated differently. Isaac doesn't have to play in the NBA. He seems to know a lot about virology, maybe he can get a job with a biomedical research lab.

This is only true for at will employment, and only then no employer can regulate when you can leave your house during non work hours.

Isaac is not an at will employee. Like executives he is employed via contract and unless these protocols are stipulated in his contract, which I highly doubt, then he is protected under Florida law. The laws are pretty clear, but they are making their way through the courts which is why arguing about them now is pretty useless.

[basketballRob]

Isaac said he'll be back in a couple weeks at the conservatism conference.

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This is where his focus is right now. Great.

It's been about one year, three and a half months since his injury.

He wanted to play to begin the year, but they wouldn't let him.

He's probably been good to go for a while now.

I don't agree with most of his views, but a bunch of people does. If he ever puts it together on the court his jersey will be back up near the top of the league.

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[ReadyOrlando]

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This is where his focus is right now. Great.

It's been about one year, three and a half months since his injury.

He wanted to play to begin the year, but they wouldn't let him.

He's probably been good to go for a while now.

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I belive that management has delayed the return of JI & Fultz to let our young guys get more play time during that rough schedule.

[basketballRob]

This is where his focus is right now. Great.

It's been about one year, three and a half months since his injury.

He wanted to play to begin the year, but they wouldn't let him.

He's probably been good to go for a while now.

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I belive that management has delayed the return of JI & Fultz to let our young guys get more play time during that rough schedule.

I think they're just being overly cautious.

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[RookieStar]

Well with whatever reason our FO has regarding why they are so slow on bringing back our guys... great chacne is we will never know because based on history, they never leak and tell us anything. LOL

[RookieStar]

With that hair, JI is practically 7'1 lol

If you've ever stood nearby, I'd say he's beyond that...he's a LOOOONG kid.

Really? How tall would you say he is? I mean we got first-hand accounts here that Meer is really 5'10

[KillMonger]

With that hair, JI is practically 7'1 lol

If you've ever stood nearby, I'd say he's beyond that...he's a LOOOONG kid.

Really? How tall would you say he is? I mean we got first-hand accounts here that Meer is really 5'10

Can confirm, met Meer I'm 6'0 and he was definitely shorter than me but not by much.....good dude

[RookieStar]

If you've ever stood nearby, I'd say he's beyond that...he's a LOOOONG kid.

Really? How tall would you say he is? I mean we got first-hand accounts here that Meer is really 5'10

Can confirm, met Meer I'm 6'0 and he was definitely shorter than me but not by much.....good dude

Oh yeah.. a lot said the same. Forgot which poster who said he was 5'9-5-10 and he met Meer and he looks taller or the same.

Wonder JI's height though..

[basketballRob]

Pretty sure Isaac was 6'11" w/o shoes when they did the official measurements 2 years ago.

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[RookieStar]

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Pretty sure Isaac was 6'11" w/o shoes when they did the official measurements 2 years ago.

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so he is def 7'3 with that haircut then lol

[drsd]

Pretty sure Isaac was 6'11" w/o shoes when they did the official measurements 2 years ago.

Isaac looks to be a genuine 6'13" these days.


There are images where he looks shorter than Bamba, but many look like this:









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[swarlesbarkley]

With the way the starting 5 is playing, I kinda hope they bring JI back just to try out for a trade. I don't want him in this starting line-up at all and don't think he's much of an improvement over Okeke off the bench. WCJ is outplaying anything JI ever did at the 4 and Wagner is outplaying anything JI did at the 3.

Trade for a vet with a lower ceiling but way more consistent durability.

[basketballRob]

With the way the starting 5 is playing, I kinda hope they bring JI back just to try out for a trade. I don't want him in this starting line-up at all and don't think he's much of an improvement over Okeke off the bench. WCJ is outplaying anything JI ever did at the 4 and Wagner is outplaying anything JI did at the 3.

Trade for a vet with a lower ceiling but way more consistent durability.

Your hate is very transparent.

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[89Magicfan]

With the way the starting 5 is playing, I kinda hope they bring JI back just to try out for a trade. I don't want him in this starting line-up at all and don't think he's much of an improvement over Okeke off the bench. WCJ is outplaying anything JI ever did at the 4 and Wagner is outplaying anything JI did at the 3.

Trade for a vet with a lower ceiling but way more consistent durability.

**** I’m the opposite. I can’t wait until he gets back in the SL. He’s a defensive force on many facets.

[jvdas]

With the way the starting 5 is playing, I kinda hope they bring JI back just to try out for a trade. I don't want him in this starting line-up at all and don't think he's much of an improvement over Okeke off the bench. WCJ is outplaying anything JI ever did at the 4 and Wagner is outplaying anything JI did at the 3.

Trade for a vet with a lower ceiling but way more consistent durability.

you should go back and check some JI highlights. this man is a once in a lifetime defender, either on the perimeter or inside.

only issue with him not being considered as one of the goat defenders are his glass bones, but take curry for example who also fixed his jelly ankles.

if ji comes back and can shoot around 40% from downtown he’s instantly light years ahead of wendell, who does very well rn by himself.

[Skybox]

With the way the starting 5 is playing, I kinda hope they bring JI back just to try out for a trade. I don't want him in this starting line-up at all and don't think he's much of an improvement over Okeke off the bench. WCJ is outplaying anything JI ever did at the 4 and Wagner is outplaying anything JI did at the 3.

Trade for a vet with a lower ceiling but way more consistent durability.

you should go back and check some JI highlights. this man is a once in a lifetime defender, either on the perimeter or inside.

only issue with him not being considered as one of the goat defenders are his glass bones, but take curry for example who also fixed his jelly ankles.

if ji comes back and can shoot around 40% from downtown he’s instantly light years ahead of wendell, who does very well rn by himself.

I remember Isaac (although it's growing hazy over the years) and he was a gigantic difference maker on defense. I've got mixed feelings/concerns about his imminent return.
-He was awesome...no disputing that - he could lead the league in deflections, steals, and blocks at the same time. True DPOY guy.
-Will he ever be the same, physically? surgery and rehab are miles ahead of where they were, guys get better, but not always
-Where will he fit with WCJ and/or Bamba? Their combo seems to be working and I do believe it's very complimentary - WCJ makes Bamba look better and Bamba makes WCJ look better. AND, suddenly WCJ is a deep threat AND Bamba is the deep threat we hoped he might be. Historically speaking, Isaac is way better than either of them but I'm wondering if WCJ/Bamba is the best combo of the three
-and then, who might fetch the best return in a trade? If Isaac is healthy, there's no question...you might get a guy like Ingram back in a straight up trade for a HEALTHY Isaac...especially with Isaac's team-friendly contract. Kudos to WeHam for that. They'd have to be tempted to move the best player to create the best team.

I've been high on Bamba having great upside and down on WCJ having a lower ceiling historically, but I like what I'm seeing this year. I have to wonder if the decision has already be made to make Bamba available after pumping up his trade value. I'm not inspired by WCJ as our Center but he sets harder picks, passes better, makes midlevel shots, and bangs bodies on defense...all Bamba weaknesses. I just wonder if Isaac is too similar to Bamba, at least in terms of body type and physicality to complement Bamba. I don't care how many blocks Isaac had, his defense on the perimeter made him as much a SF as anything on defense...Maybe the ultimate answer is Isaac bulks up a bit and is a better Bamba (than Bamba) and Isaac plays Center with WCJ at 4 (the way he is now).

Lots of options if Isaac is healthy and that's a good thing.

[swarlesbarkley]

With the way the starting 5 is playing, I kinda hope they bring JI back just to try out for a trade. I don't want him in this starting line-up at all and don't think he's much of an improvement over Okeke off the bench. WCJ is outplaying anything JI ever did at the 4 and Wagner is outplaying anything JI did at the 3.

Trade for a vet with a lower ceiling but way more consistent durability.

Your hate is very transparent.

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Not hate, homie, just looking at the make up of our team. Our SL is already a top 5 defensive squad. Even if JI bumps up our defensive ratings a bit - what are we losing on the offensive side? Wagner and WCJ are both guys who can knock down jumpers consistently and make the right reads (both cutting and passing). JI is still a liability on the offensive side (unless he's unlocked something during this 16 month stretch). Remember a couple years ago that we were all psyched he hit a pull up jumper against Boston in the 4th quarter. Well, WCJ and Wagner do that consistently. Both Wagner and WCJ are also really solid defenders and possibly better team defenders than JI. They are solid 2-way players already while we're still hoping JI can be a 2-way player. Okeke is the same way - maybe not as high of a defensive ceiling as JI but projects to be a much better offensive player for us who can shoot and distribute.

Not knocking JI's individual defense - he's a beast - one of the best. We get him back and we go from an 8/10 to a 9/10 on defense as a team but then we go from 6/10 to 4/10 on offense.

He could be fine off the bench but then we're in an awkward scenario where our highest paid player is our 6/7th man.

The only path I see for JI being successful with this team is to bulk up and primarily play the 5 and then we move Bamba unless he drastically improves his offensive. He'll be worth way more to us as a trade piece than what he actually gives us on the court.

In terms of draft capital spent on these guys, sure JI was #6 in 2017 but WCJ was #7 in 2018 and Wagner #8 in 2021 - all these guys are around the same level.

[OrlMagic05]

With the way the starting 5 is playing, I kinda hope they bring JI back just to try out for a trade. I don't want him in this starting line-up at all and don't think he's much of an improvement over Okeke off the bench. WCJ is outplaying anything JI ever did at the 4 and Wagner is outplaying anything JI did at the 3.

Trade for a vet with a lower ceiling but way more consistent durability.

WHAT??! I mean I dont agree with him in many aspects of life, but he is arguably our best player when healthy.. Dont be one of those guys that just because you dont agree with him you dont like him...