"Kobe shot 6/24 in Game 7 of the NBA Finals!"

[Cubbies2120]

The truth is, it was an 83-79 game. It was a slow/ slugfest of a game where everyone shot poorly.

Kobe also had 15 rebounds, which no-one brings up either.

I don't think the 6/24 is a relevant knock on Kobe at all.

Literally everyone brings it up that he had 15 rebounds, whenever the 6/24 is brought up.

Also, my guy, why would you bring up Pau 6/16 as a knock of some sort. He made the same # of FG on EIGHT less shots.

That makes it look even worse for Kobe, not better. If Pau was like 4 of 16, sure...but damn.

[formula 400]

Fantastic. One of the hardest fought defensive games on our era. Kobe won, period. 15 rebounds in a brick fest. GOAT candidate.

aren't those intangibles, especially coming from the guard position? kobe doing whatever it took to win.

when its all said and done and if say he shot 3 airballs, again, he wouldn' care, just as long as he did other things to eek out the win. fanbases of non-championship teams don't understand that and only look at geek metrics and numbers that prove their point.

[LascelleL]

He also had 15 rebs but everyone forgets to mention that

[KodiakBear]

He also had 15 rebs but everyone forgets to mention that

Lol people bring that up all the time. This game has been dissected constantly for the last 11 years

[Archerbro]

pau was the best player on the lakers that series IMO

[oversteerdawg]

pau was the best player on the lakers that series IMO

I disagree, but I will concede that the argument is not out of the question. However, Pau was able to be Pau because of Kobe. If he never played with Kobe, he'd just be some euro that was pretty good, not a sure fire hall of famer.

[Flash4thewin]

im not a lakers fan, so i hated when the kobester had the ball in the final qtrs against opposing teams because you knew he was never afraid to TAKE the shots necessary to get them over the hump. HOW MANY TIMES DID HE BING HIS TEAMS ACK FROM THE DEAD AND PUT THEM IN POSITION TO WIN?? how many countless times in the playoffs and championship games did this guy get the lakeshow over???? more damn time than 6-24!

laker fans were blessed to have a modern day/"wannabe" jordan on their squad. he put fear in your hearts and nutsacks when he had the ball and they were chipping away at your leads. ASIDE from Jordan and Bird, you don't ever want to face Kobe when it mattered most (and dont lie and sa curry or KD is greater or more cold-blooded). 5x champion, greatest skilled player, and the only person who could beat MJ 1-1 because yes, the mamba would steal your damn moves

I’m pretty sure Piston fans read this and laughed.

[Winsome Gerbil]

...and they won.

P.S. Shelden Williams! There's a blast from the past name. I'm going to have to start a thread about his glory soon.

[Heat3]

Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-
Paul Pierce	45:35	5	15	.333	2	3	.667	6	6	1.000	10	2	1	1	3	4	18	+1
Ray Allen	45:16	3	14	.214	2	7	.286	5	6	.833	2	2	3	0	4	3	13	0
Rajon Rondo	44:53	6	13	.462	1	2	.500	1	2	.500	8	10	1	0	3	2	14	-3
Kevin Garnett	38:07	8	13	.615	0	0		1	1	1.000	3	2	0	4	2	5	17	-4
Rasheed Wallace	35:36	5	11	.455	1	4	.250	0	0		8	2	0	2	0	6	11	-4
Glen Davis	20:50	2	4	.500	0	0		2	2	1.000	9	0	1	0	2	4	6	-1
Tony Allen	5:20	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	1	0	-9
Nate Robinson	3:33	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brian Scalabrine	0:51	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Shelden Williams	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did
Michael Finley	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did
Marquis Daniels	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did
Team Totals	240	29	71	.408	6	16	.375	15	17	.882	40	18	6	7	14	25	79

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Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-
Metta World Peace	46:01	7	18	.389	2	7	.286	4	5	.800	5	1	5	0	4	3	20	-1
Kobe Bryant	44:51	6	24	.250	0	6	.000	11	15	.733	15	2	1	0	4	4	23	0
Pau Gasol	42:12	6	16	.375	0	0		7	13	.538	18	4	0	2	1	2	19	+7
Derek Fisher	30:27	4	6	.667	2	2	1.000	0	0		1	2	1	0	0	3	10	-5
Andrew Bynum	18:33	1	5	.200	0	0		0	0		6	0	0	0	0	2	2	-12
Lamar Odom	34:32	3	8	.375	0	3	.000	1	2	.500	7	2	0	1	1	0	7	+13
Jordan Farmar	12:44	0	3	.000	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0	0	0	1	2	0	+10
Shannon Brown	5:25	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	1	0	-1
Sasha Vujacic	4:41	0	2	.000	0	1	.000	2	2	1.000	1	0	0	0	0	2	2	+9
Josh Powell	0:34	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Luke Walton	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did	Did
Team Totals	240	27	83	.325	4	20	.200	25	37	.676	53	11	7	3	11	19	83

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Generated 11/13/2021.




I see this constantly as a knock on Kobe. It is true that Kobe shot 6/24 in that game 7, but everyone either ignores or doesn't know the context.

That was a knock-out defensive game, where everyone was showing their nerves/ fatigue from the previous 6 games.

Why does no one bring up Ray Allen's 3/14 or Paul Pierce's 5/15? Pau (who some call the the "true MVP" of the series) shot 6/16 as Laker's big.

The truth is, it was an 83-79 game. It was a slow/ slugfest of a game where everyone shot poorly.

Kobe also had 15 rebounds, which no-one brings up either.

I don't think the 6/24 is a relevant knock on Kobe at all.

The context is Kobe was a chucker. I saw the game and all I could think was why doesn’t he play smarter? I also remember the game against the Suns where he quit.

[K3nny Pow3rs]

OP, Kobe's 15 rebounds doesn't count, because the shooting was so bad from both teams, rebounds were easy to get.
Derek Fisher won the championship for LA, when he had that conversation with Kobe at halftime, because Kobe was throwing up the most off-balanced juvenile shots in that 1st Half, and Derek Fisher lectured him.

[Cavsfansince84]

OP, Kobe's 15 rebounds doesn't count, because the shooting was so bad from both teams, rebounds were easy to get.
Derek Fisher won the championship for LA, when he had that conversation with Kobe at halftime, because Kobe was throwing up the most off-balanced juvenile shots in that 1st Half, and Derek Fisher lectured him.

Fisher also hit imo the biggest shot of that game. With about 5 min left and the score tied I think after both teams went like 3 minutes without scoring and everyone seemed nervous Fisher hit a long 3 as the shot clock was running down and from then on all the momentum went towards LA. For all the **** Fishers gets he was a clutch player consistently. Sort of like Parker usually was.

[norcocredo]

Kobe had as many rebounds as Boston’s big 3 combined.

[NRSV]

He was overrated. The end.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

A Lakers fan randomly started a thread to argue Kobe is equally as good as Pau Gasol, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen?

[Jasen777]

He had a bad game. He was still pretty good player.

[Liam_Gallagher]

Kobe had a strange series as his best games were in the losses.

In the end, he was the best player overall.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Because it was a game 7, Finals game 7's are very rare, and he played really poorly.

And most of the big shots/plays that won the game for LA were NOT made by Kobe, it was other guys.

[Jables]

The truth is, it was an 83-79 game. It was a slow/ slugfest of a game where everyone shot poorly.

Kobe also had 15 rebounds, which no-one brings up either.

I don't think the 6/24 is a relevant knock on Kobe at all.

Literally everyone brings it up that he had 15 rebounds, whenever the 6/24 is brought up.

Also, my guy, why would you bring up Pau 6/16 as a knock of some sort. He made the same # of FG on EIGHT less shots.

That makes it look even worse for Kobe, not better. If Pau was like 4 of 16, sure...but damn.

It's not a knock, for years everyone was so eager to say Pau carried him which is clearly nonsense, in only one Lakers win did Pau score more than 20. Those are just facts, but I know Pau was also a defensive savant and carried Kobe on that end. No one can just admit Kobe might have been the reason they won, Jordans game 6 against the Sonics where he went 5-19 would be some deathblow against his legacy by Kobe's standards, **** ridiculous.

Instead people are genuinely suggesting Derek Fisher, Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom and MWP beat the Celtics superteam by carrying Kobe. That's even dumber than the Celtics excuse for losing the series, missing Kendrick Perkins.

Kobe Bryant, the only player where it's okay to constantly focus on what he didn't achieve, rather than what he did achieve.

[Pharmcat]

Because it was a game 7, Finals game 7's are very rare, and he played really poorly.

And most of the big shots/plays that won the game for LA were NOT made by Kobe, it was other guys.

I remember this game. It was a brickfest due to game 7 butterflies and gassed legs. Wasn’t this the year perk blew his acl in game 6 and celts couldn’t grab a rebound to save their life in game 7?

[bullsnewdynasty]

Because it was a game 7, Finals game 7's are very rare, and he played really poorly.

And most of the big shots/plays that won the game for LA were NOT made by Kobe, it was other guys.

I remember this game. It was a brickfest due to game 7 butterflies and gassed legs. Wasn’t this the year perk blew his acl in game 6 and celts couldn’t grab a rebound to save their life in game 7?

Yep, it was Celtics relying on an old Rasheed and undersized Big Baby.

If I recall correctly, Gasol had most of the key offensive rebounds and arguably outplayed Kobe for the series. Giving Kobe the FMVP was highly questionable at the time from what I can recall, especially on this board.