Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[HiJiNX]

During our third quarter run against the Sixers, Barnes was featured in seven straight possessions and we scored on six of them, the one miss being a push shot by Barnes over Danny Green that he probably should have made.

That’s ridiculous impact from a rookie.

[HumbleRen]

During our third quarter run against the Sixers, Barnes was featured in seven straight possessions and we scored on six of them, the one miss being a push shot by Barnes over Danny Green that he probably should have made.

That’s ridiculous impact from a rookie.

Reminded me of when he completely took over for a 4 minute stretch in that Charlotte game during Summer League.

[Arman_tanzarian]

last night I took Scottie Barnes on the over at 13.5 points.

tonight they have adjusted his over to 14.5 points, and the odds are -130 instead of +125.

still riding the over tonight.

Buddy, take his assists every night. Today they set it at 1.5 TN

Easiest 1k I made all year.

Good call. Will be on the lookout next game. His assists being so low right now is probably going to correct itself a bit given his game so their is value.

Hit is over again. Vegas going to adjust to it now.

[links135]

I don't see a huge difference at all. Do any numbers back up your claim?

OG DFG% 41
Scottie 48

When you keep in mind OG is usually guarding the opposing teams best player, its even more impressive. Dude is the TRUTH on that end.

his defensive rating and his DPM isn't that good. Raptors are also better when he is off the court so far this year. I think he is a good defender but I'm not really agreeing with this Kawhiesque all world defender perception.

Ehh, last 5 he's been one of the best on court for our team, Infact our best net rating, but he is a rookie. He's made alot of rookie mistakes, so yeah Durant scored well on him, so did Doncic, and on.

That's part of the development process, rookies aren't usually on them though.

He's been mostly good against guards while forwards have been able to score against him well. And I mean, he was a point guard in college.

He's got all the tools to be elite, just needs experience.

[links135]

On another note we've actually done by far and away the worst with Barnes off the floor the last 5 games. A -24 rating. A 97 offensive rating and 121 def rating.

FVV is next at -13 when off.

[normgod6]

It's nice to see Barne's playmaking coming along well. He's had 4 assists in the last 5 games.

[hype_2004]

It's nice to see Barne's playmaking coming along well. He's had 4 assists in the last 5 games.

Kid is bonafide playmaker but now his usage is still on the low end. With more opportunities to handle the ball that assist total should be around 7+ every game. Add to the fact that his teammates often brick open shots doesn't help his stat line. Many of his passes lead to assist that leads to points, I can't count how many hockey assist this kid has but it has to be at the top in the NBA.

[normgod6]

It's nice to see Barne's playmaking coming along well. He's had 4 assists in the last 5 games.

Kid is bonafide playmaker but now his usage is still on the low end. With more opportunities to handle the ball that assist total should be around 7+ every game. Add to the fact that his teammates often brick open shots doesn't help his stat line. Many of his passes lead to assist that leads to points, I can't count how many hockey assist this kid has but it has to be at the top in the NBA.

Yep its impressive for a player who doesn't handle the ball that much to average as much assists as he does. He's 2nd in the team in secondary assists and potential assists so its clear the dude is ramping up his playmaking as he gets more comfortable with the team

[seanbig]

The fact it’s been a month and Scottie was SEEING DOUBLE teams shows how good he’s been

His defense- which was supposed to be his strong suit
If you really analyze it has been piss poor given his “reputation “

He’s strong but not strong enough yet to handle 5’s
He’s long but slow laterally
He’s great for blocks and rebounds but needs to box out more

He needs to study more to stop doubling too much and leave open 3’s and gambling to far up and cause the entire defense to shift

He’s been awesome but his defense and assists have been his weakest part (apart from his 3)

[pingpongrac]

Love to see 4 assists in 5 straight games while still scoring a bit (13.4 PPG). His efficiency has cratered (59 TS% in the first 7 games and 51 TS% in the last 5 games) and his defence has looked like that of a rookie though. It's likely in large part due to all of the moving pieces in the last week (Siakam in and out, Birch/Achiuwa missing time, FVV missing a game), but it feels like he's hitting his first little rookie wall.

Still, 16/8/3 on 56 TS% through his first 12 games for someone that was supposedly very raw offensively is incredible. Every game he has at least one or two "WOW" moments that make you think he's one of 3-5 people in the entire league that could make that play.

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[dalton749]

Love to see 4 assists in 5 straight games while still scoring a bit (13.4 PPG). His efficiency has cratered (59 TS% in the first 7 games and 51 TS% in the last 5 games) and his defence has looked like that of a rookie though. It's likely in large part due to all of the moving pieces in the last week (Siakam in and out, Birch/Achiuwa missing time, FVV missing a game), but it feels like he's hitting his first little rookie wall.

Still, 16/8/3 on 56 TS% through his first 12 games for someone that was supposedly very raw offensively is incredible. Every game he has at least one or two "WOW" moments that make you think he's one of 3-5 people in the entire league that could make that play.

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It’s the defense that has been the most glaring issue. He is lost all of the time and it’s probably due to him playing multiple different positions. Once he figures the schemes out over the course of the year he will be much more impactful.

[Johnny Bball]

**** Pippen. Scottie is going to be better offensively.

I definitely thought he had high bust potential and was extremely down on the pick. Shows how little we know. Dude looked like he was shooting a basketball for the first time in college. Now he's arguably our best shot creator and finisher.

I won't be doing any amateur scouting again as long as Masai and Co. are running the team. It leads one down a dark path.

He absolutely will not be a better player than Scottie pippen and even that in itself is quite okay

Do you have a crystal ball?

You don't understand the context. Or how good Pippen was. Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players of all time, leaning into the middle of the that pack. That's quite a compliment, either way.

[nowayguy]

Scottie looked exhausted during parts of the game last night. Love his motor but his conditioning is not at the point where he can go 100% over an 82 game season.

He's definitely hitting that rookie wall and I'm wondering if part of it is the combination of his all-out approach and the rigors of the NBA schedule.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie looked exhausted during parts of the game last night. Love his motor but his conditioning is not at the point where he can go 100% over an 82 game season.

He's definitely hitting that rookie wall and I'm wondering if part of it is the combination of his all-out approach and the rigors of the NBA schedule.

They’re using him wrong. He should mainly guard wings, not PG’s or 5’s. All the overly aggressive help defence is exhausting OG and FVV as well. It’s why both their defence have seen a big dip, it’s hitting OG the hardest as well.

Nurse is going to run these boys into the ground at this rate with no true 5 on this team.

[Kingsway_fan]

Scottie looked exhausted during parts of the game last night. Love his motor but his conditioning is not at the point where he can go 100% over an 82 game season.

He's definitely hitting that rookie wall and I'm wondering if part of it is the combination of his all-out approach and the rigors of the NBA schedule.

Yes. He has been playing lots of minutes and usually guarding multiple positions.. he got destroyed by Grant last night.

Returning Yuta should help as Barnes plays slightly fewer minutes.

The problem last night was our defence and giving up do many open shots, once again. It's a long season and he will continue to learn and improve.... also, teams are adjusting to his style and just as when pascal was double teamed we need to pass the ball around to get the open man.. we have done a very poor job with that...

Too much one one one play...

[Kingsway_fan]

Scottie looked exhausted during parts of the game last night. Love his motor but his conditioning is not at the point where he can go 100% over an 82 game season.

He's definitely hitting that rookie wall and I'm wondering if part of it is the combination of his all-out approach and the rigors of the NBA schedule.

They’re using him wrong. He should mainly guard wings, not PG’s or 5’s. All the overly aggressive help defence is exhausting OG and FVV as well. It’s why both their defence have seen a big dip, it’s hitting OG the hardest as well.

Nurse is going to run these boys into the ground at this rate with no true 5 on this team.

With yuta coming back.. more depth off the bench, and now with Pascal finding his rythem, can we reduce the minutes og and fred and Barnes have been playing a bit, so they are not too exhausted and can play better defence?

[Chandan]

Scottie looked exhausted during parts of the game last night. Love his motor but his conditioning is not at the point where he can go 100% over an 82 game season.

He's definitely hitting that rookie wall and I'm wondering if part of it is the combination of his all-out approach and the rigors of the NBA schedule.

They’re using him wrong. He should mainly guard wings, not PG’s or 5’s. All the overly aggressive help defence is exhausting OG and FVV as well. It’s why both their defence have seen a big dip, it’s hitting OG the hardest as well.

Nurse is going to run these boys into the ground at this rate with no true 5 on this team.

With yuta coming back.. more depth off the bench, and now with Pascal finding his rythem, can we reduce the minutes og and fred and Barnes have been playing a bit, so they are not too exhausted and can play better defence?

but what channel do i switch to for the 24 minutes that Barnes isn't playing?

[Syd-TK3]

Yeah leave Scottie on the wings OG is much better on guards

[EliteSmarts]

When we drafted Scottie Barnes, a lot of Toronto Raptor fans had a lot of negative things to say about the pick. We've seen it time and time again Masai Ujiri is a genius especially when it comes to scouting and drafting players. After a lot of work, I have finally found my reaction from draft night.

Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Scottie Barnes is the next Scottie Pippen you heard it here first

**** Pippen. Scottie is going to be better offensively.

I definitely thought he had high bust potential and was extremely down on the pick. Shows how little we know. Dude looked like he was shooting a basketball for the first time in college. Now he's arguably our best shot creator and finisher.

I won't be doing any amateur scouting again as long as Masai and Co. are running the team. It leads one down a dark path.

I believe that's big mistake you're making! Doing amateur scouting is fun and you gain knowledge learning about next stars of the NBA.

Yeah you were wrong about Scottie Barnes, just like I was and many other Raptors fans...so does that mean we should all stop researching prospects and be excited about who the Raptors should pick? I say HELL NO! But the selection and success of Scottie Barnes should add more data into what type of prospects you should be looking for in next draft

+IQ &(Does he make smart reads on offense & defense. Make the right pass on offense and makes the right rotations on defense.)
+Defensive Mentality (Is he a good defender and if he isn't, does he at least give effort and physical tools to be a good defender?)
+Plus Athleticism (Self explainority, altough they're different type of Athleticisms. That's category I would love to do more research on.)
+PlayMaking (Does he has willingess to share the ball, does he have the ability to be a good to great passer)
+Great Teammate (Players love playing with him and Coaches have fantastic things to say about him)

I haven't even mentioned scoring or shooting but it seems obvious to Raptors staff, scoring/shooting is easiest skill to develop if the players has those other tools in handy. They believe in their development staff in improving the raw offensive skillset of the player.

It's fantastic time to be a Toronto Raptors fan !


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[vulture]

I think it’s fair to say that Scottie will not push himself offensively if he’s playing with pascal. They operate in the same areas of the floor also the fit is clunky right now. Neither of them can shoot either.
Defensively they have no chemistry and it’s why the defence has been so bad.