Should we rescue JV from the Pels?

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #41 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:36 pm

He is having a great statistical season.. Probably a fantasy basketball legend

Mysticist · Post #42 » by **Mysticist** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:46 pm

Honestly it baffles me how people still think that a player like JV could solve any of this team problems !! Do I need to remind you guys that we had him along with Deebo and Lowry and still managed to come short every time ?! JV's low BBIQ, awful defense and him not being able to stretch the floor were some of the reasons why we traded him in the first place, We need a center who is not a liability on defense, can rebound and stretch the floor.

kalel123 · Post #43 » by **kalel123** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:20 pm

I have a lot of love for Valanciunas and strongly believe we did him a disservice by not developing him properly. Not sure if that falls on Casey or Colangelo but it is what it is.

He didn't complain once being in and out of lineups and was a professional throughout. Similar to DeRozan, you have to respect the fact that he made the most out of what he had and is good in his own way although that may not necessarily fit today's NBA.

Having said that, currently, I can't imagine a trade that would benefit us after. So no.

alan_156 · Post #44 » by **alan_156** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:21 pm

Let's get brook lopez

dalton749 · Post #45 » by **dalton749** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:24 pm

Pretty sure jv can’t be traded this year. Otherwise I’d over dragic, precious and a 2nd for him.

UcanUwill · Post #46 » by **UcanUwill** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:28 pm

Mysticist wrote:Honestly it baffles me how people still think that a player like JV could solve any of this team problems !! Do I need to remind you guys that we had him along with Deebo and Lowry and still managed to come short every time ?! JV's low BBIQ, awful defense and him not being able to stretch the floor were some of the reasons why we traded him in the first place, We need a center who is not a liability on defense, can rebound and stretch the floor.

JV was always good in play offs, he didnt win with raptors cause he never had Kawhi and he faced LeBron team every time.

NBJ13 · Post #47 » by **NBJ13** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:32 pm

Would solid interior scoring and rebounding offset the below average foot speed and slow defensive rotations?

Perhaps on some teams, but not on the defense the raps play.

hype_2004 · Post #48 » by **hype_2004** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:42 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Love JV but no, he’s not the center we need beside Barnes.

We need to somehow emulate what the Bucks did with Giannis. 4 outside 1 in type of line up.

Like I'm telling everyone to build this team with Barnes we have to get High IQ players that can shoot the hell out of a basketball. That means no Boucher, no Achiuwa and certainly no Siakam. Fred has to adapt into a Kyle Lowry player where he can be the secondary distributor on offense. We need a high IQ big C that can shoot and block shots essentially a Gasol/Brook Lopez type. Lastly we need CONSISTENT shooters at all spot than can defend. Barnes is the future of this team, don't let success of our other players determine the future goals of its organization.

Johnny Bball · Post #49 » by **Johnny Bball** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:04 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:I will still argue to this day the Gasol trade wasn't the reason we won the championship. It didn't hurt our chances but it didn't help them as much as ppl make it seem. He did very little. Ppl will point, "oh he stoped vucevic" lol like we couldn't beat the magic lol

The truth? JV carried us for many playoffs while Lowry and DD struggled. That's the truth.

100% opposite. Explain Ibaka moving to centre and we beat the bucks, as well as the 76er's the year after, or the only wins vs CLE. Well everyone will make up a story for it, but is simply getting JV out of the starting five spot for anyone.

kwajo · Post #50 » by **kwajo** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:14 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Unless is Dragic straight up. Nah

Throw in Boucher and/or other non core pieces. But even then would Pels do it?

Boucher playing next to Zion would be one of the strangest frontcourt parings ever in terms of body types.

PhilBlackson · Post #51 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:15 pm

Guess you forgot he has cinderblocks for feet.

Jcity08 · Post #52 » by **Jcity08** » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:29 pm

vulture wrote:This board needs to stop living in the past. JV doesn’t guard anyone and it’s why he got traded.

This board thrives in living in the past, from countless threads about bring Vince back, to Demar no matter how poorly thought through. Like a clingy, delusional ex.

God Squad · Post #53 » by **God Squad** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:52 am

JV isn't the answer at all. He's still getting torched in the pick n roll, and against any guard really.

h4rrison · Post #54 » by **h4rrison** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:49 am

His offense outweighs his defense for this team.

We need scoring bad and JV’s offense would do wonders to our team and open things up for other players.

I’ll take the 20/10 for poor rim protection and no help defense.

Chandan · Post #55 » by **Chandan** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:04 am

kwajo wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Unless is Dragic straight up. Nah

Throw in Boucher and/or other non core pieces. But even then would Pels do it?

Boucher playing next to Zion would be one of the strangest frontcourt parings ever in terms of body types.

Boucher can piggyback on Zion and merge into a 12 foot player, i bet zion can still jump with boucher on his back.

ratul · Post #56 » by **ratul** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:19 am

Pascal for JV and NAW. I'd be intrigued by that. Prob not enough for Pascal but I just want to get off that Pascal contract

ratul · Post #57 » by **ratul** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:19 am

we should bring back IBAKA!

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #58 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:28 am

UcanUwill wrote:
Mysticist wrote:Honestly it baffles me how people still think that a player like JV could solve any of this team problems !! Do I need to remind you guys that we had him along with Deebo and Lowry and still managed to come short every time ?! JV's low BBIQ, awful defense and him not being able to stretch the floor were some of the reasons why we traded him in the first place, We need a center who is not a liability on defense, can rebound and stretch the floor.

JV was always good in play offs, he didnt win with raptors cause he never had Kawhi and he faced LeBron team every time.

Have you guys heard of the guy named Andre Drummond? JV is like a synonym.

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LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #59 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:36 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:I will still argue to this day the Gasol trade wasn't the reason we won the championship. It didn't hurt our chances but it didn't help them as much as ppl make it seem. He did very little. Ppl will point, "oh he stoped vucevic" lol like we couldn't beat the magic lol

The truth? JV carried us for many playoffs while Lowry and DD struggled. That's the truth.

He didn’t carry anything. He was a guy who just filled in the statistical blocks on the score sheet because he’s usually the biggest guy on the court who has some offensive BBIQ.

JV wouldn’t be able guard like Gasol and fill in the spaces in the paint and in the PnR - esp against a guy like Giannis.

He’s an inconsequential player who doesn’t affect winning as much as his statistical score box say he is.

He’s the white Andre Drummond.

OhCanada1091 · Post #60 » by **OhCanada1091** » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:46 am

Kingsway_fan wrote:
vulture wrote:This board needs to stop living in the past. JV doesn’t guard anyone and it’s why he got traded.

JV strong candidate to make West allstar team ... yeah whatever

Not why he got traded. He got traded because he takes the ball out of Morants hands and eats up too many possessions in the low post. Those are basically like iso possessions. Memphis wanted to fully hand the team to Morant.