Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Tomjas]

Our perimeter defence isn’t good without Simmons & D’lo would make it worse

Whatever he brings on the offensive end won’t compensate for that without further moves

[GutUNC]

I would trade Simmons for Russell and added compensation (draft pick or player). I feel like I'm on an island with that one, but I have always been a D'lo fan.

Fans would switch sides very quick if Russell was on the Sixers. He would fit like a glove and put up big scoring performances.

Having guards that can put the ball in the hoop is always a recipe for success in the playoffs. It seems as though people forget what it takes to win in the playoffs every year. They get fooled by guys like Buddy Hield in the regular season. D'Lo was a major thorn in our side during that series from a few years ago. I'm in no way trying to sell anyone on here the idea of adding him, but we're getting a donut out of Ben Simmons right now. Nothing from him at all, and I think the longer he sits, the more he cries mental health, the lower his value goes. So at some point (considering all these circumstances), adding D'Angelo Russell might not be such a horrible move. The only thing I don't like about it is that he takes the ball out of Maxey's hands. Again, I am not saying I want Russell here, but it would be better than nothing. I personally for record...think we should go after Keldon Johnson from the Spurs, but that's just me.

Considering he kills any chance you have at having roster flexibility for at least 2 years, takes the ball out of the hands of Maxey, and doesn't raise your championship ceiling in any meaningful way, no...he would not better then nothing.

The Wolves PuPu platter of salary matchers plus an armful of picks >>>>> DLO

[Kobblehead]

Our perimeter defence isn’t good without Simmons & D’lo would make it worse

Whatever he brings on the offensive end won’t compensate for that without further moves

No team is going to give us a two-way allstar for Ben Simmons so why does that matter?

[Negrodamus]

Our perimeter defence isn’t good without Simmons & D’lo would make it worse

Whatever he brings on the offensive end won’t compensate for that without further moves

No team is going to give us a two-way allstar for Ben Simmons so why does that matter?

Which is why I find it funny that Dejounte Murray is so unpalatable to so many on this board. We have probably no chance at getting him anyway, but that would be a massive score for us; especially if we want to continue to start Maxey.

[DCasey91]

Yeah Wolves assets are dookie even with Edwards. Three way get us what we actually want or no dice.

Spurs/Blazers/Kings/Celtics are much better. In a trading sense I’m not even looking in their direction

[Embiid P]

If we're not getting an all-star for Simmons, which seems more and more likely, I'd rather get one or more younger versions of Danny Green who are solid 3 and D players that would be good fits next to both Embiid and Maxey. I honestly want no part of Russell unless other assets are included.

[the_process]

D'lo would make a tonne of sense alongside Ben and Jo. He's honestly like a super poverty SGA. He can shoot, pass, and sorta run an offense.

Harris for D'lo run it.

If the Wolves move on from Towns and build it around Ant... I'd be in support of trading Harris for DLo. Wolves can use Tobi as a tank commander for a couple years and then flip him as an expiring.

[Sixerscan]

I would trade Simmons for Russell and added compensation (draft pick or player). I feel like I'm on an island with that one, but I have always been a D'lo fan.

Fans would switch sides very quick if Russell was on the Sixers. He would fit like a glove and put up big scoring performances.

Having guards that can put the ball in the hoop is always a recipe for success in the playoffs. It seems as though people forget what it takes to win in the playoffs every year. They get fooled by guys like Buddy Hield in the regular season. D'Lo was a major thorn in our side during that series from a few years ago. I'm in no way trying to sell anyone on here the idea of adding him, but we're getting a donut out of Ben Simmons right now. Nothing from him at all, and I think the longer he sits, the more he cries mental health, the lower his value goes. So at some point (considering all these circumstances), adding D'Angelo Russell might not be such a horrible move. The only thing I don't like about it is that he takes the ball out of Maxey's hands. Again, I am not saying I want Russell here, but it would be better than nothing. I personally for record...think we should go after Keldon Johnson from the Spurs, but that's just me.

No he wasn't, he was really bad after a decent first game. Lavert was the only guy on that team that really played well that series.

Russell isn't really the type of guard that succeeds in the playoffs. He struggled to get to the rim or draw fouls even under the old rules, and fwiw he's been really bad so far this year. And it's not just that he's a bad or limited defender, the guy clearly just does not care on the end.

Honestly I would rather just trade Simmons for some first round picks and expiring contracts and figure out a path to cap space over bringing Russell in.

[DCasey91]

I would trade Simmons for Russell and added compensation (draft pick or player). I feel like I'm on an island with that one, but I have always been a D'lo fan.

Fans would switch sides very quick if Russell was on the Sixers. He would fit like a glove and put up big scoring performances.

Having guards that can put the ball in the hoop is always a recipe for success in the playoffs. It seems as though people forget what it takes to win in the playoffs every year. They get fooled by guys like Buddy Hield in the regular season. D'Lo was a major thorn in our side during that series from a few years ago. I'm in no way trying to sell anyone on here the idea of adding him, but we're getting a donut out of Ben Simmons right now. Nothing from him at all, and I think the longer he sits, the more he cries mental health, the lower his value goes. So at some point (considering all these circumstances), adding D'Angelo Russell might not be such a horrible move. The only thing I don't like about it is that he takes the ball out of Maxey's hands. Again, I am not saying I want Russell here, but it would be better than nothing. I personally for record...think we should go after Keldon Johnson from the Spurs, but that's just me.

103 FGA’s for 97 points

19 ppg on 35.9 FG% TS 44.6% 88ORTG on 33+% usage

I think your memory is cloudy. We lost game 1 then we proceeded to bash them for the next 4 games. Face it Nets/Wizards are kind of the easiest 1st rnd opponents you’re going to get, can’t beat those teams fit then you might as start again.

He wasn’t a thorn more like a flower that loved the sun too much lol. That’s on “offense” let alone the other side of the ball

He’s sucked on every team. DLO is trash

[DCasey91]

Our perimeter defence isn’t good without Simmons & D’lo would make it worse

Whatever he brings on the offensive end won’t compensate for that without further moves

Can’t even believe DLO out of all players is being brought up.

What offense?

Tobithus for example people think offense, it’s not it’s just let’s do things with the ball that isn’t basketball.

Let’s try a 8 dribble dribble iso moonwalk backwards then pass it off with 7 secs to go, saves my FG% and it looks like I did something.

[DCasey91]

If you can’t get a “star” for Ben it’s Murray + assets.

Murray + Curry backcourt is ideal actually look at the synergy. It balances the offense/defense out.

[DCasey91]

We are the Kings of East in defense right now.

Check it:

GSW have two non shooters in their starting lineup and Poole/Wiggins being sub average and Iggy who can’t hit anything.

Those two nonshooting threats? Looney/Green directly responsible for team defense also one of them is their teams point guard/forward.

But they are 2nd in Ortg and by far 1st in Drtg.

Go figure.

3ball spam can work but you need the cattle (two way or subsets with defense and stretch switchable counterparts).

You can be very critical of Embiid for not quarterbacking the defense as a big should do first and foremost. Dude should really be a 22/11/3 2 block guy on 52+ FG% 82% from the line on 2.5 turnovers but that’s not him unfortunately for us.

Ben at some very very high degree is still an integral part of this teams setup and without a replacement or synergistic approach it’s the Celtics all over again.

That’s why I don’t care about Fox/DLO they are trash for us.

No good deal comes about, mediate, kiss and make up and find the third piece just like in the beginning.

Harris is still the biggest problem. You can get nearly 2 Gallos for one Harris whereby one Gallo >>> Harris.

[Sixerscan]

Hard for Embiid to quarterback the defense when he's out with covid. They have the equivalent of a top 5 defense when he's on the court. Similar thing with Thybulle who is also out. Unfortunately the BBall Paul center minutes have basically been a layup line, which is probably why Doc went with Bassey in the second half last night.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Fans would switch sides very quick if Russell was on the Sixers. He would fit like a glove and put up big scoring performances.

Having guards that can put the ball in the hoop is always a recipe for success in the playoffs. It seems as though people forget what it takes to win in the playoffs every year. They get fooled by guys like Buddy Hield in the regular season. D'Lo was a major thorn in our side during that series from a few years ago. I'm in no way trying to sell anyone on here the idea of adding him, but we're getting a donut out of Ben Simmons right now. Nothing from him at all, and I think the longer he sits, the more he cries mental health, the lower his value goes. So at some point (considering all these circumstances), adding D'Angelo Russell might not be such a horrible move. The only thing I don't like about it is that he takes the ball out of Maxey's hands. Again, I am not saying I want Russell here, but it would be better than nothing. I personally for record...think we should go after Keldon Johnson from the Spurs, but that's just me.

Considering he kills any chance you have at having roster flexibility for at least 2 years, takes the ball out of the hands of Maxey, and doesn't raise your championship ceiling in any meaningful way, no...he would not better then nothing.

The Wolves PuPu platter of salary matchers plus an armful of picks >>>>> DLO

That's kind of what I was thinking too. Russell is a thought for me and nothing more. I even wrote in the post that you quoted that "he takes the ball out of Maxey's hands." Did you read that part and then just decided to reinforce that in the reply? I clearly stated that as an issue. Hmmmm. Yeah...no thanks to Russell. He takes the ball away from Maxey.

[GutUNC]

Having guards that can put the ball in the hoop is always a recipe for success in the playoffs. It seems as though people forget what it takes to win in the playoffs every year. They get fooled by guys like Buddy Hield in the regular season. D'Lo was a major thorn in our side during that series from a few years ago. I'm in no way trying to sell anyone on here the idea of adding him, but we're getting a donut out of Ben Simmons right now. Nothing from him at all, and I think the longer he sits, the more he cries mental health, the lower his value goes. So at some point (considering all these circumstances), adding D'Angelo Russell might not be such a horrible move. The only thing I don't like about it is that he takes the ball out of Maxey's hands. Again, I am not saying I want Russell here, but it would be better than nothing. I personally for record...think we should go after Keldon Johnson from the Spurs, but that's just me.

Considering he kills any chance you have at having roster flexibility for at least 2 years, takes the ball out of the hands of Maxey, and doesn't raise your championship ceiling in any meaningful way, no...he would not better then nothing.

The Wolves PuPu platter of salary matchers plus an armful of picks >>>>> DLO

That's kind of what I was thinking too. Russell is a thought for me and nothing more. I even wrote in the post that you quoted that "he takes the ball out of Maxey's hands." Did you read that part and then just decided to reinforce that in the reply? I clearly stated that as an issue. Hmmmm. Yeah...no thanks to Russell. He takes the ball away from Maxey.

You mentioned it was "the only thing" you didn't like about it. I listed a couple more. Not sure where the confusion lies.

[76ciology]

Maxey is a better scorer than DLo right now.
Both are getting 17ppg but Maxey is scoring more efficiently (13FGA vs 16FGA)

I dont mind getting DLo. But I dont think he’s gonna be as good as you guys think.

If you need a bucket, he’s not good enough to be default option after Biid.

When Embiid is out, he’s not gonna be able to carry the team on offense he’s gonna be just like a SG version of Tobi only

If there’s anything good with this is DLo may replace Tobi’s role on the team, then it may allow us to trade Tobi for a big forward who can shoot, rebound and play defense.

[76ciology]

We’re too focused on a scorer in return for Ben. And I dont blame us for this because we really need a scorer who can carry the team with Embiid out or a default option after Embiid.

But let’s not forget that we are really small 3&4 positions.

Right now we’re running
Small 3&4 duo: Green-Tobi
Big 3&4 duo: Tobi-Niang

I’m all for trading Tobi if we ever be able to trade Ben for a scorer. Or trading Milton for that kind of guy, then we activate Isaiah Joe.

Im not too optimistic in winning by having Paul Reed or Niang play a lot of PF on a 7 game series against the Bucks, Raps or Knicks.

[Tomjas]

The only way that a D’lo trade makes any sense is if it’s for Harris

If Ben pulls his head out of his arse then fine for time being & wait until someone comes available

D’lo for Ben is sooo bad unless it comes with the holy grail of picks

[Tomjas]

Other alternative is KAT as he’s one big who could play with Joel due to his perimeter game

Guy would probably be happy floating around at pf while Joel defends the rim

[76ciology]

Other alternative is KAT as he’s one big who could play with Joel due to his perimeter game

Guy would probably be happy floating around at pf while Joel defends the rim

Yup. Ive also been saying this and think this is the best.

Embiid and KAT will make each other one of the best players in the league. You also generate a lot of mismatches in the playoffs while potentially neutralizing Giannis and the Bucks’ size.

U just can run this dribble drive offense then dump the ball to either KAT and Embiid to bail u out if the dribble drive stalls.

Then Embiid can also step out while KAT (and Thybulle or Green) can rotate into the paint to challenge shots at the rim.