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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#901 » by dhsilv2 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:08 am

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No. My stance is that the Sixers want to trade him. Now or before, makes no difference to me.

In the other situations we were talking about, we saw all of these teams desperately trying to keep these players. They tried trading other players so they could build a team fully around them, they asked for more time from these players, one more chance to succeed et cetera. In all of these case, it was clear that the teams were forced to trade the players against their will.

That's not the case here, imo. Philly doesn't seem to want anything to do with Simmons anymore. The bridges are burned, they want him gone (and they should want him gone).


I've never seen a team seemingly try harder to keep a player...but whatever man. We'll agree to disagree I suppose given you can't seem to show any reason why we should ignore everything being said AND done by the 76ers...


I have never seen a team throw their supposed star under the bus so hard but, yeah, we can definitely agree to disagree.


I'm not sure but he can get a lot better and we need to work....is throwing something not just under the bus. But throwing them HARD under the bus...we couldn't have more differing opinions here. If that was throwing him under the bus...my goodness, 99% of coaches are equivalents to murders.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#902 » by DroseReturnChi » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:12 am

Dominater wrote:They should have taken the offer of Brogdan and a 1st. Even at the time I was scratching my head as to why they didn't. Brogdan last season averaged 21-5-5 on good efficiency. And is pretty much doing the same this year. Imagine how good the Sixers would be right now if you added Brogdan to the fold. The 1st was icing on the cake. I would have taken that and ran.


they could get brogdon next yr if they wanted. then why didnt they get cjm who is a better player?
they dont care abt these mediocre borderline all star players. i would rather retire ben rather than trade for these guys.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#903 » by DroseReturnChi » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:14 am

DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#904 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:44 am

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DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#905 » by Nate505 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:02 am

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DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


They don't need to pay him at all unless he fulfills the terms of his contract. The one he willingly signed. If not, who gives a flying **** if he attains generational wealth.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#906 » by bebopdeluxe » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:25 am

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No. My stance is that the Sixers want to trade him. Now or before, makes no difference to me.

In the other situations we were talking about, we saw all of these teams desperately trying to keep these players. They tried trading other players so they could build a team fully around them, they asked for more time from these players, one more chance to succeed et cetera. In all of these case, it was clear that the teams were forced to trade the players against their will.

That's not the case here, imo. Philly doesn't seem to want anything to do with Simmons anymore. The bridges are burned, they want him gone (and they should want him gone).


I've never seen a team seemingly try harder to keep a player...but whatever man. We'll agree to disagree I suppose given you can't seem to show any reason why we should ignore everything being said AND done by the 76ers...


I have never seen a team throw their supposed star under the bus so hard but, yeah, we can definitely agree to disagree.


"Throw their supposed star under the bus so hard..."

Wow. You do you, bro.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#907 » by TheFinishSniper » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:29 am

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DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


Simmons is a seed investor in FaZe Clan which is going public next year & stands to earn a massive payday

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#908 » by HMFFL » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:32 am

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DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.
Ah, hold everybody else accountable, and not the person. Interesting but it's been a trend in society.

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#909 » by bebopdeluxe » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:33 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
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I've never seen a team seemingly try harder to keep a player...but whatever man. We'll agree to disagree I suppose given you can't seem to show any reason why we should ignore everything being said AND done by the 76ers...


I have never seen a team throw their supposed star under the bus so hard but, yeah, we can definitely agree to disagree.


I'm not sure but he can get a lot better and we need to work....is throwing something not just under the bus. But throwing them HARD under the bus...we couldn't have more differing opinions here. If that was throwing him under the bus...my goodness, 99% of coaches are equivalents to murders.


Of course it isn't. I listened to BOTH Doc's postgame comments (for another post) as well as Embiid's postgame presser. Doc led his comments 1) pointing to the 17 turnovers (8 of them by Embiid) as the reason they lost; 2) saying that he "still believes" in Simmons, and 3) specifically pointed out the 5-for-23 that Ben held Trae to. That was all said BEFORE the infamous "championship PG" comment, which was around midway through the presser. He hardly touched on the question at all.

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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#910 » by azcatz11 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:37 am

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Right we all have family members going through difficult times. For many of us that leads to compassion and understanding.


It's a hell of a coincidence though that he's going thru all of this now...the same time he wants to be traded.


Dude, all that stuff with his family occurred before the playoffs even begun. It's why some people are saying that this was the cause of his playoff performance. You are way off here, once again.


Correct. But it magically became an issue now lol. So who here is way off?
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#911 » by DTP » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:27 am

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I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


Respectfully, for many posters, this more about having a shot at Simmons than making objective comments

If the latter was the case then we would see the same opinions being ventured about Rui Hachimura

Instead, there’s been virtually nothing

You don't see it because Rui Hachimura didn't say in advance that he wouldn't have reported to camp, didn't demand a trade at his own terms, he didn't magically show up once he realized fines were piling up and he was not going to see his money, didn't get suspended for bad behavior in practice and didn't just at that point mention "mental readiness" as the reason why he couldn't play (even if he was seeing a therapist, that was not the reason originally given).
Yours is just a strawman, there are plenty of reasons to be EXTREMELY SKEPTICAL, in this case.


We aren't having discussions about Rui because his employer has chosen to continue to pay him....which if that's what the organization wants to do then whatever. The organization shouldn't have to though and the player isn't entitled to anything if he isn't showing up to perform his job.

I'm pretty sure with the trade demand, the Sixers probably would be paying him if he took a leave of absence due to mental health.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#912 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:38 am

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Post#913 » by bebopdeluxe » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:21 am

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So, you may wonder where Shams is getting all of this juicy Rich Paul/Ben Simmons exclusives...huh? Well, according to a report from a local Philly sports blog (Crossing Broad), it's like this...

On Friday, we did a story called Rich Paul Serves up a Heaping Platter of Horse Poop, and there was a key omission. We omitted the fact that Shams Charania is represented by United Talent Agency, which partnered with Klutch two years ago and formed a sports division. The head of that division is Rich Paul, so the two are linked together, even though Paul doesn’t directly represent Shams.

Therefore, the story in The Athletic with the “exclusive” Paul quotes wasn’t really a story, it was more of a glorified press release. An organized quote dump via two guys technically existing under the same umbrella.

Nice to know that Shams is a completely unbiased NBA Insider reporting on the biggest story so far this season.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#914 » by MrBigShot » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:35 am

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Sources: Earlier this week Simmons developed a fear of flying and that's why he wasn't with the team on their road trip.

(Mandatory disclaimer that are people with a legitimate fear of flying obviously)
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Post#915 » by Myth » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:36 am

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DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


If they are so toxic that they are causing mental health issues, then he should sue and see if he wins. But outside of such lawsuits, I have never heard of a US company that pays somebody millions to be at home and is blamed for mental health issues. If he can’t handle NBA life, that is on him, or if 76ers are egregious to the point of it being their fault then a lawsuit should be had, but outside of mistreatment, you don’t get to force a company to pay you if you won’t do your job, even when mental health is the issue.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#916 » by MrBigShot » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:44 am

DroseReturnChi wrote:
DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


Not gonna mince words: the only people who follow this train of logic really have zero understanding of what a mental health condition severe enough to prevent you from working really entails. A trade is simply incapable of fixing something like that instantly.
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#917 » by azcatz11 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:58 am

Myth wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:
DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


If they are so toxic that they are causing mental health issues, then he should sue and see if he wins. But outside of such lawsuits, I have never heard of a US company that pays somebody millions to be at home and is blamed for mental health issues. If he can’t handle NBA life, that is on him, or if 76ers are egregious to the point of it being their fault then a lawsuit should be had, but outside of mistreatment, you don’t get to force a company to pay you if you won’t do your job, even when mental health is the issue.


One cockamamie excuse after another. Good post
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#918 » by dhsilv2 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:05 am

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DroseReturnChi wrote:
your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


If they are so toxic that they are causing mental health issues, then he should sue and see if he wins. But outside of such lawsuits, I have never heard of a US company that pays somebody millions to be at home and is blamed for mental health issues. If he can’t handle NBA life, that is on him, or if 76ers are egregious to the point of it being their fault then a lawsuit should be had, but outside of mistreatment, you don’t get to force a company to pay you if you won’t do your job, even when mental health is the issue.


One cockamamie excuse after another. Good post


You don't think your brother/manager getting accused of rape by your sister would be a bit of a head trip? It isn't like he wasn't dealing with some crazy crap this year....
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#919 » by bebopdeluxe » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:08 am

Myth wrote:
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DTP wrote:I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can- that's not the 76ers' problem. Once again, they aren't forcing him to work....they are just not paying him to not work. Ben is a multi-millionaire...if the mental struggles are so bad right now that he can't perform his job, take the year off and get better. A company shouldn't have to pay him millions of dollars for it though.


your twisting words. his mental health is related to sixers. if the sixers trade him he can perform his job thats why he said any team than the sixers. this isnt rocket science. ben isnt as rich as you say he needs money until end of extension for generational wealth he is in the process of getting rich. sixers need to pay him once they signed him retiring him bc of mental health is another matter.


If they are so toxic that they are causing mental health issues, then he should sue and see if he wins. But outside of such lawsuits, I have never heard of a US company that pays somebody millions to be at home and is blamed for mental health issues. If he can’t handle NBA life, that is on him, or if 76ers are egregious to the point of it being their fault then a lawsuit should be had, but outside of mistreatment, you don’t get to force a company to pay you if you won’t do your job, even when mental health is the issue.


I don't think the problem is as much the Sixers players and organization as it is the Sixers fan base and media. I don't think that Simmons can handle the pressure to perform that Philadelphia fans and media put on athletes that play for their teams. Now, what is truly ridiculous about this is that Ben SImmons has been LOVED by Sixers fans for virtually his entire Sixers career. They literally CHEER every time he takes a 3, and go CRAZY when he hits one.

Not to say that fans in other cities are not knowledgable and demanding, but Philly fans demand that players on their teams work hard, give it their all, and simply do their best. Guys like Brian Dawkins - who would occasionally get IV's after games because of how much he would empty his tank - were WORSHIPPED in Philly...and the feeling was mutual. Same with Allen Iverson. That is why Embiid is loved - he feeds off of the passion of Philly fans. He also took it to heart when Sixers fans said he wasn't in the shape he needed to be in...he accepted the challenge, and became an MVP-caliber player.

Not every player loved playing in Philly. Mike Schmidt - arguably the greatest 3rd baseman of all time - was too cool and detached for Philly fans, and Schmidt had a difficult time with the media. Philly fans will not let you slide or go through the motions - they demand their pound of flesh ("Are you not ENTERTAINED?"), but if you "play every game like it is your last" (AI), you will be universally loved.

Ben SImmons simply cannot hold up to the demands of Philadelphia sports fans. He has had his share of snarky social media posts over the past year or so - believing that some fans (and the sports radio ecosystem) focused more on what he COULDN'T do than what he did well. There certainly was a portion of the fanbase that felt that way - that Simmons had not improved at all on the holes in his offensive game, which was the team Achilles' Heel in the playoffs (did I mention that the fan base is passionate and knowledgable?), It came home to roost in the Atlanta series, with Ben melting down on the court for the entire world to see.

Now, if 1) Sixers fans KNEW that he took these holes in his game seriously and was working RELENTLESSLY to fix these holes in his game (including taking outside shots during the season and going to the line even though he wasn't great at it - like a true MVP like GIannis did), or 2) if, instead of saying after Game 7, "I am what I am ...it is what it is", saying, "I know that I have let my teammates and the fans down due to the issues with my offensive game, and I promise you that I will work ALL SUMMER long to fix these issues once and for all". the city would have supported him and embraced him. However, the path he chose instead was to find others to scapegoat (see: Rivers, Glenn aka "Doc").

Sixers fans aren't buying that weak sauce ish...and Ben knows it.

So the solution?

"Send me to Minnesota...or Sacramento...or somewhere where I can have the team built around me" - with, I guess, the fan adulation and low EXPECTATIONS FOR GREATNESS that he thinks may come with that. Although I think that if Ben Simmons thinks that by getting traded to the Wolves or Spurs or Kings will eliminate the expectations that fans will have for "Simmo the Savage", I think he is in for a rude awakening. Fans in those cities won't put up with this jabroni crap, either (and neither will the players).

Jason Kelce had it right a few weeks ago:

"Just play better, man. The city will love you."
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Re: 76ers back to fining Ben Simmons 

Post#920 » by dhsilv2 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:09 am

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It's a hell of a coincidence though that he's going thru all of this now...the same time he wants to be traded.


Dude, all that stuff with his family occurred before the playoffs even begun. It's why some people are saying that this was the cause of his playoff performance. You are way off here, once again.


Correct. But it magically became an issue now lol. So who here is way off?


He very openly when asked about his free throw shooting last year mentioned it was mental. This is a guy who's a bad free throw shooter but not a 50% one. He wasn't his normal self and I get that fans want to roast him to the point they couldn't see how freaking different he was last year in the playoffs than in the past...but seriously dude! He was clearly going through real issues then. It isn't by any means shocking given how weird and out of the blue all this trade stuff went that it was in part due to him just struggling with his day to day mental health.

he could also be a complete scum bag....but when in doubt, doesn't seem unreasonable to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Worst case you're wrong and compassionate. If you go the other way and you're wrong, you're kinda a huge jerk.

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