76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[Tomjas]

Is Ben Simmons mentally unfit to fly now too? What’s the complaint about fining him for not traveling with the team?

What’s the point in demanding that he travels when he’s not going to play anyway?

He hasn’t even practiced with the team yet so isn’t taking the court & it would simply be a media circus

Keep him in Camden with the medical staff & trainers that the team has appointed to look after him

No show to that & then you fine him

This isn’t a Kawhi situation where he’s disappeared

Why would the Sixers do him any favors? They are opponents. He is not a part of their team and made that very clear.

It’s business

Both sides have made it very clear that there’s no return

One needs to sell him for value but is going out of their way to diminish it

Very strange

[Tomjas]

Anyway, Simmons trade watch is December 15 until deadline

Rest is just noise now

[BoatsNZones]

What’s the point in demanding that he travels when he’s not going to play anyway?

He hasn’t even practiced with the team yet so isn’t taking the court & it would simply be a media circus

Keep him in Camden with the medical staff & trainers that the team has appointed to look after him

No show to that & then you fine him

This isn’t a Kawhi situation where he’s disappeared

Why would the Sixers do him any favors? They are opponents. He is not a part of their team and made that very clear.

It’s business

Both sides have made it very clear that there’s no return

One needs to sell him for value but is going out of their way to diminish it

Very strange

I don’t agree that fining him diminishes value. Explain to me how it could? It’s not exactly a secret that they are at odds. They have asked him to join the practices and the team and he refuses. What are their options?

At this point they are just recouping value on what is a ridiculously expensive contract and letting it be known that you can’t pull this **** and expect to get paid. I love it, personally.

[Tomjas]

Why would the Sixers do him any favors? They are opponents. He is not a part of their team and made that very clear.

It’s business

Both sides have made it very clear that there’s no return

One needs to sell him for value but is going out of their way to diminish it

Very strange

I don’t agree that fining him diminishes value. Explain to me how it could? It’s not exactly a secret that they are at odds. They have asked him to join the practices and the team and he refuses. What are their options?

At this point they are just recouping value on what is a ridiculously expensive contract and letting it be known that you can’t pull this **** and expect to get paid. I love it, personally.

Fines don’t go to Sixers

[BoatsNZones]

It’s business

Both sides have made it very clear that there’s no return

One needs to sell him for value but is going out of their way to diminish it

Very strange

I don’t agree that fining him diminishes value. Explain to me how it could? It’s not exactly a secret that they are at odds. They have asked him to join the practices and the team and he refuses. What are their options?

At this point they are just recouping value on what is a ridiculously expensive contract and letting it be known that you can’t pull this **** and expect to get paid. I love it, personally.

Fines don’t go to Sixers

This sounds like BS. You're telling me they are paying him his salary and it is being paid to the league? Proof? Makes no sense as it is a team fine.

But even if this is the case, the point would remain that he is not making his salary and is not getting away with his nonsense. It would be absurd if the Sixers are not recouping those checks, though (and will 100% be negotiated/changed in the next CBA if so).

[Tomjas]

I don’t agree that fining him diminishes value. Explain to me how it could? It’s not exactly a secret that they are at odds. They have asked him to join the practices and the team and he refuses. What are their options?

At this point they are just recouping value on what is a ridiculously expensive contract and letting it be known that you can’t pull this **** and expect to get paid. I love it, personally.

Fines don’t go to Sixers

This sounds like BS. You're telling me they are paying him his salary and it is being paid to the league? Proof? Makes no sense as it is a team fine.

But even if this is the case, the point would remain that he is not making his salary and is not getting away with his nonsense. It would be absurd if the Sixers are not recouping those checks, though.

CBA

Fines go to league & players association with no cap relief

Makes no sense but nothing else does about this whole situation

You want to know what is even more crazy?

He’s already been paid 50% of his annual salary less a few million in fines

[BoatsNZones]

Fines don’t go to Sixers

This sounds like BS. You're telling me they are paying him his salary and it is being paid to the league? Proof? Makes no sense as it is a team fine.

But even if this is the case, the point would remain that he is not making his salary and is not getting away with his nonsense. It would be absurd if the Sixers are not recouping those checks, though.

CBA

Fines go to league & players association with no cap relief

Makes no sense but nothing else does about this whole situation

You want to know what is even more crazy?

He’s already been paid 50% of his annual salary less a few million in fines

The lack of cap relief I understand as it could be used as a manipulative tactic, but at the very least the fines should be set in an account that is up for arbitration (which is probably what the Owners will argue for in the upcoming CBA). And yeah I do know that he’s been paid a large chunk of his contract (8 mil before the season even began I think I read).

Tough situation, but I still maintain the Sixers are doing right to make it as miserable on Simmons as he is on them. It’s not as if the other Sixer players have his back (it would be an entirely different scenario if so imo).

[Tomjas]

For the uninformed, this is how Simmons contract works

Annual salary of $33 million

25% or $8.25 million payable on July 1 - paid

25% or $8.25 million payable on October 1 - held in escrow & that’s why he suddenly turned up

$8.25 million less a few million in fines was paid to him a couple of weeks ago

Rest is paid in monthly instalments so he’s already been paid $13 million plus FOR THIS SEASON

Like it or not, that’s the contract that the Sixers gave him

[Tomjas]

This sounds like BS. You're telling me they are paying him his salary and it is being paid to the league? Proof? Makes no sense as it is a team fine.

But even if this is the case, the point would remain that he is not making his salary and is not getting away with his nonsense. It would be absurd if the Sixers are not recouping those checks, though.

CBA

Fines go to league & players association with no cap relief

Makes no sense but nothing else does about this whole situation

You want to know what is even more crazy?

He’s already been paid 50% of his annual salary less a few million in fines

The lack of cap relief I understand as it could be used as a manipulative tactic, but at the very least the fines should be set in an account that is up for arbitration (which is probably what the Owners will argue for in the upcoming CBA). And yeah I do know that he’s been paid a large chunk of his contract (8 mil before the season even began I think I read).

Tough situation, but I still maintain the Sixers are doing right to make it as miserable on Simmons as he is on them. It’s not as if the other Sixer players have his back (it would be an entirely different scenario if so imo).

Who knows?

With Simmons there’s never any clarity as he doesn’t speak and all information is via selective leaks from both sides

I still can’t believe that a reporter hasn’t shoved a microphone in his face

He’s not in hiding and everyone knows his whereabouts

Btw, the Sixers players do have his back

It’s just very strange

[God Squad]

For the uninformed, this is how Simmons contract works

Annual salary of $33 million

25% or $8.25 million payable on July 1 - paid

25% or $8.25 million payable on October 1 - held in escrow & that’s why he suddenly turned up

$8.25 million less a few million in fines was paid to him a couple of weeks ago

Rest is paid in monthly instalments so he’s already been paid $13 million plus FOR THIS SEASON

Like it or not, that’s the contract that the Sixers gave him

Morey - Ben we finally found a trade partner. Suit up, you're going to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Ben -

Spoiler:

Keep gettin them cheque's young fella

[Tomjas]

Simmons walking into a public space today and he’s ALLEGEDLY there regularly

Media is nowhere

Gtfoh

Truth is less interesting than clickbait

Read on Twitter

[MrBigShot]

For the uninformed, this is how Simmons contract works

Annual salary of $33 million

25% or $8.25 million payable on July 1 - paid

25% or $8.25 million payable on October 1 - held in escrow & that’s why he suddenly turned up

$8.25 million less a few million in fines was paid to him a couple of weeks ago

Rest is paid in monthly instalments so he’s already been paid $13 million plus FOR THIS SEASON

Like it or not, that’s the contract that the Sixers gave him

So essentially you admit he only showed up to camp to get the $8.25 mil that he was supposed to get October 1st, not to play which is what he gets paid to do. Why is anyone defending this guy again?

[Tomjas]

For the uninformed, this is how Simmons contract works

Annual salary of $33 million

25% or $8.25 million payable on July 1 - paid

25% or $8.25 million payable on October 1 - held in escrow & that’s why he suddenly turned up

$8.25 million less a few million in fines was paid to him a couple of weeks ago

Rest is paid in monthly instalments so he’s already been paid $13 million plus FOR THIS SEASON

Like it or not, that’s the contract that the Sixers gave him

So essentially you admit he only showed up to camp to get the $8.25 mil that he was supposed to get October 1st, not to play which is what he gets paid to do. Why is anyone defending this guy again?

Inevitable outcome

NOBODY knows what is happening with Simmons mental health in meantime

[DroseReturnChi]

Is Ben Simmons mentally unfit to fly now too? What’s the complaint about fining him for not traveling with the team?

why does flying even matter when philly wont let him play? really have to force ill people to work?
phillys moves are dirty they claim they are considerate of his illness than fines for whatever excuses they make.

[LAL1947]

Is Ben Simmons mentally unfit to fly now too? What’s the complaint about fining him for not traveling with the team?

why does flying even matter when philly wont let him play? really have to force ill people to work?

On the flip side, ill people shouldn't be signing contracts worth $35m when they know they are ill.

Btw, I'm also curious to learn how you are reconciling the "Philly won't let him play" bit with the "forcing ill people to work" bit?

[MVP1992]

Is Ben Simmons mentally unfit to fly now too? What’s the complaint about fining him for not traveling with the team?

why does flying even matter when philly wont let him play? really have to force ill people to work?
phillys moves are dirty they claim they are considerate of his illness than fines for whatever excuses they make.

Who says they won't let him play?

[bebopdeluxe]

What’s the point in demanding that he travels when he’s not going to play anyway?

He hasn’t even practiced with the team yet so isn’t taking the court & it would simply be a media circus

Keep him in Camden with the medical staff & trainers that the team has appointed to look after him

No show to that & then you fine him

This isn’t a Kawhi situation where he’s disappeared

Why would the Sixers do him any favors? They are opponents. He is not a part of their team and made that very clear.

It’s business

Both sides have made it very clear that there’s no return

One needs to sell him for value but is going out of their way to diminish it

Very strange

Not strange at all.

One side VOLUNTARILY signed a max contract and then - with FOUR YEARS left on that contract is holding out and refusing to honor the terms of that contract.

It all starts there. Period. Full stop.

Everything that has happened since then is performance art and posturing.

I don’t need to know ANYTHING about each sides’ motivation. Simmons wants to be traded and the Sixers are holding Simmons to the terms of the MAX CONTRACT THAT HE VOLUNTARILY SIGNED until they find an acceptable deal. And as long as Simmons FAILS TO HONOR THE CONTRACT HE VOLUNTARILY SIGNED, the Sixers are withholding his pay - something that neither Adam Silver nor the NBA Players Association is pushing back on because, of course, the entire issue is squarely on Simmons.

The Sixers players, coaches and fans are moving on. Simmons can sit home and play COD 12 hours a day for all I care. If he wants to be paid, he needs to make a good faith effort to engage in activities with the team that are consistent with a “return to play” protocol.

That’s it.

And unless and until Ben Simmons chooses to sue the Sixers, that is where it will stay. The team moves on. Simmons doesn’t get paid.

Now, if Simmons really wanted to facilitate a trade, he would engage the team IN GOOD FAITH to get back on the court to show other teams that he is ready and willing to play for them. I actually had some hope that, after he was kicked out of practice for insubordination and then came back and spoke to the team, that Simmons realized that to get what he wants (as jabroni as this holdout is) he needed to work to get back on the court. Obviously, that is not the case…so he will not get paid.

While it is ridiculous to think that Simmons will sit out four years and not get paid, I am totally fine with him sitting at home and not getting paid this season. Trade him at next year’s draft. That works for me.

[Myth]

If they are so toxic that they are causing mental health issues, then he should sue and see if he wins. But outside of such lawsuits, I have never heard of a US company that pays somebody millions to be at home and is blamed for mental health issues. If he can’t handle NBA life, that is on him, or if 76ers are egregious to the point of it being their fault then a lawsuit should be had, but outside of mistreatment, you don’t get to force a company to pay you if you won’t do your job, even when mental health is the issue.

One cockamamie excuse after another. Good post

You don't think your brother/manager getting accused of rape by your sister would be a bit of a head trip? It isn't like he wasn't dealing with some crazy crap this year....

It doesn't cause a mental health issue that is present in Phili but not somewhere else. It may cause anger, or a general unwillingness to play for the team (hey, sounds familiar), but again, it does not make a mental health concern that is solved by a move.

[dhsilv2]

One cockamamie excuse after another. Good post

You don't think your brother/manager getting accused of rape by your sister would be a bit of a head trip? It isn't like he wasn't dealing with some crazy crap this year....

It doesn't cause a mental health issue that is present in Phili but not somewhere else. It may cause anger, or a general unwillingness to play for the team (hey, sounds familiar), but again, it does not make a mental health concern that is solved by a move.

Nobody said it does....

[Myth]

You don't think your brother/manager getting accused of rape by your sister would be a bit of a head trip? It isn't like he wasn't dealing with some crazy crap this year....

It doesn't cause a mental health issue that is present in Phili but not somewhere else. It may cause anger, or a general unwillingness to play for the team (hey, sounds familiar), but again, it does not make a mental health concern that is solved by a move.

Nobody said it does....

Some have in this thread and I thought that was the point you were making. My mistake if it wasn't.