Should we rescue JV from the Pels?

[Mysticist]

Honestly it baffles me how people still think that a player like JV could solve any of this team problems !! Do I need to remind you guys that we had him along with Deebo and Lowry and still managed to come short every time ?! JV's low BBIQ, awful defense and him not being able to stretch the floor were some of the reasons why we traded him in the first place, We need a center who is not a liability on defense, can rebound and stretch the floor.

JV was always good in play offs, he didnt win with raptors cause he never had Kawhi and he faced LeBron team every time.

Have you guys heard of the guy named Andre Drummond? JV is like a synonym.

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

[YogurtProducer]

Pascal for JV and NAW. I'd be intrigued by that. Prob not enough for Pascal but I just want to get off that Pascal contract

[YogurtProducer]

JV has developed a 3pt shot like Al Horford in their late 20's. He's at around 2 attempts per game. He can space the floor.

The other 2 points I agree, though he is able to finish around the basket and get rebounds.

Ya, he can hit 1 a game, but that's not really a strength of his nor is it his game. He's a post scorer and rebounder, which is fine, but given where the Raps are now, I don't see him as a long term solution. He's a short term fix if you want to make a run at a lower playoff seed.

Boucher is taking almost 3 per game, it would be easy to give JV the freedom to take 3-4 per game. I'd rather him shoot than Pascal or Barnes from 3. They can use their skills to get to the basket while JV plays the Marc Gasol roll and get back on defense.

What about a 3-way trade of JV to Phoenix and Ayton to Toronto. JV is locked in to a contract under $15 million per year so the Suns don't have to break the bank.

Pelicans get Achiuwa, Boucher and 2021 1st pick Phoenix

Suns get JV and 2021 1st pick Toronto

Toronto gets: Ayton

HAving JV shoot 3-4 threes a game would defeat the purpose of vetting Jv.

[Ell Curry]

Ya, he can hit 1 a game, but that's not really a strength of his nor is it his game. He's a post scorer and rebounder, which is fine, but given where the Raps are now, I don't see him as a long term solution. He's a short term fix if you want to make a run at a lower playoff seed.

Boucher is taking almost 3 per game, it would be easy to give JV the freedom to take 3-4 per game. I'd rather him shoot than Pascal or Barnes from 3. They can use their skills to get to the basket while JV plays the Marc Gasol roll and get back on defense.

What about a 3-way trade of JV to Phoenix and Ayton to Toronto. JV is locked in to a contract under $15 million per year so the Suns don't have to break the bank.

Pelicans get Achiuwa, Boucher and 2021 1st pick Phoenix

Suns get JV and 2021 1st pick Toronto

Toronto gets: Ayton

And I wanna marry Kate Upton

If you put in Siakam it's interesting:

Suns: Valanciaunas, Hayes, Pelicans 1st,

Pelicans: Siakam, Achiuwa

Raptors: Ayton, Saric, Satoransky

Suns get a starting center for 12-15M less a year than Ayton will command, a young center Paul can lob the ball for them to develop who won't command more than 12M a year when he's an RFA and JV expires, Pelicans get a proper defender to pair with Zion in the frontcourt and let Zion play smallball 5, Raptors get an Ayton-Barnes-OG-Trent-VanVleet lineup

[HomieOmey]

I'd certainly make a call. If the price tag is too high I definitely pass since I prefer a center that would make more sense playing with FVV, OG, Barnes, and Siakam. I think we need a bit more of a floor spacer to make that unit work.

[UcanUwill]

JV was always good in play offs, he didnt win with raptors cause he never had Kawhi and he faced LeBron team every time.

Have you guys heard of the guy named Andre Drummond? JV is like a synonym.

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

Jonas is one of the best scorers at center position, where Drummond is turnoever and miss prone, he is terrible scorer. The only similarity is good rebounding numbers and subpar defense, current Jonas is better and completely different player, how is he a synonym, he is like a Drummond antonym offensively rather, in a good way. Jonas is great offensively, Drummond is terrible.

[Brinbe]

Absolutely. JV is great

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Have you guys heard of the guy named Andre Drummond? JV is like a synonym.

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

Jonas is one of the best scorers at center position, where Drummond is turnoever and miss prone, he is terrible scorer. The only similarity is good rebounding numbers and subpar defense, current Jonas is better and completely different player, how is he a synonym, he is like a Drummond antonym offensively rather, in a good way. Jonas is great offensively, Drummond is terrible.

Absolutely. JV is great

he's not a difference maker. he's a guy who gets his stats regardless and you need to sit him in the 4th in a close game.

you can get the same statistical measures combined in other players in an aggregate.

He was with the Raptors and they didn't lose a beat when they replaced him with an aging Gasol
He was inconsequential in Memphis and still had to sit him in the 4th.
He is playing for a team that is on track for one the worst record of all time.

He is the epitome of a inconsequential player. like Drummond. one is better on offense and one is better on defense. and yes - offensive skills get you paid more than defensive skills in this league. if you guys like to trash Drummond, you have blinders for JV (because he was in a Raptors uniform) - if he never played for the Raptors, you would say probably the same thing about JV (like what people say about Drummond)

[LBJKB24MJ23]

if anything, Masai had been rumoured to be interested in Drummond as well ^ because of his defense. and doesn't require the ball as much as the a guy like Jonas, to be effective, in the overall schemes of Nick Nurse.

[UcanUwill]

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

Jonas is one of the best scorers at center position, where Drummond is turnoever and miss prone, he is terrible scorer. The only similarity is good rebounding numbers and subpar defense, current Jonas is better and completely different player, how is he a synonym, he is like a Drummond antonym offensively rather, in a good way. Jonas is great offensively, Drummond is terrible.

Absolutely. JV is great

he's not a difference maker. he's a guy who gets his stats regardless and you need to sit him in the 4th in a close game.

you can get the same statistical measures combined in other players in an aggregate.

He was with the Raptors and they didn't lose a beat when they replaced him with an aging Gasol
He was inconsequential in Memphis and still had to sit him in the 4th.
He is playing for a team that is on track for one the worst record of all time.

He is the epitome of a inconsequential player. like Drummond. one is better on offense and one is better on defense. and yes - offensive skills get you paid more than defensive skills in this league. if you guys like to trash Drummond, you have blinders for JV (because he was in a Raptors uniform) - if he never played for the Raptors, you would say probably the same thing about JV (like what people say about Drummond)

Thats beside the point, but is Drummond better on D, cause I am not sure. Offense does not in fact pay you more especially when you are a center, Jonas got 14 mil a year, so he is prime example of that. I agree that he is not a star, but he gets role player money and for that money he is good.

[Brinbe]

he's not a difference maker. he's a guy who gets his stats regardless and you need to sit him in the 4th in a close game.

but you're not entirely wrong. same could be said for gobert and he's a premium version of JV. So he's not perfect. But I do think he'd be a nice big stabilising fit for this team/lineup badly in need of someone who can take up room, efficiently score, effectively rebound on both ends and battle other opposing bigger bigs. There's a role for someone like that on this team, though probably not at his price-range.

[will]

YOnas going full Lithuanian mobster with the slick back hair.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Jonas is one of the best scorers at center position, where Drummond is turnoever and miss prone, he is terrible scorer. The only similarity is good rebounding numbers and subpar defense, current Jonas is better and completely different player, how is he a synonym, he is like a Drummond antonym offensively rather, in a good way. Jonas is great offensively, Drummond is terrible.

Absolutely. JV is great

he's not a difference maker. he's a guy who gets his stats regardless and you need to sit him in the 4th in a close game.

you can get the same statistical measures combined in other players in an aggregate.

He was with the Raptors and they didn't lose a beat when they replaced him with an aging Gasol
He was inconsequential in Memphis and still had to sit him in the 4th.
He is playing for a team that is on track for one the worst record of all time.

He is the epitome of a inconsequential player. like Drummond. one is better on offense and one is better on defense. and yes - offensive skills get you paid more than defensive skills in this league. if you guys like to trash Drummond, you have blinders for JV (because he was in a Raptors uniform) - if he never played for the Raptors, you would say probably the same thing about JV (like what people say about Drummond)

Thats beside the point, but is Drummond better on D, cause I am not sure. Offense does not in fact pay you more especially when you are a center, Jonas got 14 mil a year, so he is prime example of that. I agree that he is not a star, but he gets role player money and for that money he is good.

For what we need a center for, Jonas is overpaid. But that’s not the conversation. I would take rookie JV - who was mobile. Not today’s JV.

We probably need a guy who is a little bit bigger than Birch and we does not require the bells and whistles (or the ball) like JV. Off of the bench.

He also takes the ball away from Barnes and Siakam and plays in that same space as them and demands the ball. Forcing those two to play a game that isn’t to their strengths

Raptors don’t need much other than a big body who can occasionally come in and guard the likes of Embiid and Jokic.

Raps ran Nurkic off the floor yesterday and can do that to most teams without a premier true sized center. We just need competency from the center position.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

he's not a difference maker. he's a guy who gets his stats regardless and you need to sit him in the 4th in a close game.

but you're not entirely wrong. same could be said for gobert and he's a premium version of JV. So he's not perfect. But I do think he'd be a nice big stabilising fit for this team/lineup badly in need of someone who can take up room, efficiently score, effectively rebound on both ends and battle other opposing bigger bigs. There's a role for someone like that on this team, though probably not at his price-range.

Let’s just say this: rookie JV would be more useful to this team than current JV. mobile big who can set good screens and is a target in the pick and role and able and do a competitive job on guarding smaller guys. Doesn’t demand the ball and plays to the team’s strength.

At least I think with what I remember rookie JV was like.

[WaltFrazier]

JV was always good in play offs, he didnt win with raptors cause he never had Kawhi and he faced LeBron team every time.

Have you guys heard of the guy named Andre Drummond? JV is like a synonym.

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

Masai told JV directly on Open Gym once - "you're better than Drummond."

[Johnny Bball]

Have you guys heard of the guy named Andre Drummond? JV is like a synonym.

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

Masai told JV directly on Open Gym once - "you're better than Drummond."

Who cares. Both are liabilities.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Have you guys heard of the guy named Andre Drummond? JV is like a synonym.

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

Masai told JV directly on Open Gym once - "you're better than Drummond."

the fact that Masai has to say it Jonas' face is sad and probably more of an encouragement than anything

[WaltFrazier]

I agree with this except that Drummond is a better rebounder and a bit better on defense.

Masai told JV directly on Open Gym once - "you're better than Drummond."

Who cares. Both are liabilities.

Drummond. Howard. Javale. Top contenders keep picking up veteran C's like this for their bench in recent years, but oh no, not us. Masai knows a better way.

[Johnny Bball]

Masai told JV directly on Open Gym once - "you're better than Drummond."

Who cares. Both are liabilities.

Drummond. Howard. Javale. Top contenders keep picking up veteran C's like this for their bench in recent years, but oh no, not us. Masai knows a better way.

Are we a contender? And they all come off the bench in mimited minutes or in Drummonds case, it should be never. Mostly min contracts extending their careeer. And Javel McGee is not similar to the other 3.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Masai told JV directly on Open Gym once - "you're better than Drummond."

Who cares. Both are liabilities.

Drummond. Howard. Javale. Top contenders keep picking up veteran C's like this for their bench in recent years, but oh no, not us. Masai knows a better way.

the fact that Drummond costs only $2M is why Drummond is better than JV today.