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Around The NBA : 21-22 Edition

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Re: Around The NBA : 21-22 Edition 

Post#201 » by PaKii94 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:29 pm

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I'd think KAT makes that decision for them. Their offense showed real promise towards the end of last season, but it seems like thy've forgotten everything that was working since then. Edwards and Russell are allowed to do whatever they want...and that usually doesn't include KAT (or anyone else, really).

Anthony Edwards: 29% usage, 51% true shooting
D'Angelo Russell: 27% usage, 50% true shooting
Karl-Anthony Towns: 26% usage, 63% true shooting

The Wolves have an offensive superstar, two guys acting like they are offensive superstars who take the ball (and shots) away from said superstar and a bunch of role players who can't hit a shot. Kinda ironic they completely suck on offense now that they finally have a pretty solid defense.


They should have built a dwight howard magic team/ sixers right now. Shooters/defenders around KAT


Just think. If they would have not traded for Jimmy Butler and kept Wiggins and let him just be a beast on defense. Lavine, Wiggins, KAT, would have been a pretty reasonable core.


I don't think lavine/wiggins would have developed on that team. they should have tried trading wiggins instead of Lavine for Jimmy. Lavine/Jimmy/KAT would go places
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Post#202 » by FecesOfDeath » Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:58 pm

jordanwilliams6 wrote:The fact that WCJ has become a good 3 point shooter annoys me.


To be fair, defenses aren't exactly sprinting out to the line to contest his shots either, which means his presence on the perimeter isn't going to improve his team's floor spacing any time soon.

With the 27th ranked offense and 27th ranked defense, the Magic are deserving of their 3-11 record.
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Post#203 » by Michael Jackson » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:01 pm

Repeat 3-peat wrote:Tomas Satoransky is averaging 2.5 PPG on 29% shooting in 10 games this year. This guy was starting last season.



But Ball isn’t any better than him, right?
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Post#204 » by sco » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:51 pm

A good read:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/stephen-curry-warriors-shooting-11637027582

A shot that strays nearly 5 inches away from the center of the hoop in either direction can still be a swish. But that margin of error in his left-right positioning was much too high for Curry. So last summer, as he shot threes in the NBA offseason, he gave himself only 3 inches of wiggle room. He was even more demanding when shooting from closer: Curry’s leeway for his free throws was 2 inches.

These weren’t arbitrary numbers. The massive collection of information at their disposal allowed the data scientists at Noah Basketball, the company behind this shot-tracking technology, to explore all kinds of fascinating questions that never before had empirical answers. When they looked at millions of 3-pointers from NBA players, they found that 79% of shots at the dead center of the rim went in, but there was little difference up to one or two inches off center (79% and 77%) and only a minimal reduction out to three inches (74%).


Curry would listen for the instant verbal feedback on his left-right locations and learn whether a shot met his standards. He wasn’t relying on sight to determine the quality of his shot. Instead he waited for the sound of a computerized voice.

The tracking system had followed the shot’s flight path, used a sensor to measure where the center of the ball crossed the plane of the hoop and calculated its deviation from the center of the basket in relation to the shooter. Then it would read a number between -9 (nine inches to the left) and 9 (nine inches to the right), with 0 meaning his shot had been dead straight. This was the basketball equivalent of a bull’s-eye. Not every shot can be optimal—not even for Curry—but any shot within three inches of center was considered sufficient.

Curry’s precision shooting routine wasn’t a marathon workout. The longest it ever lasted was roughly 90 minutes. “We’re looking for quality over quantity,” Payne said. “The number of shots you take really depends on the information and feedback. The feedback will tell you when you’re getting close to the point of diminishing returns.
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Post#205 » by Ice Man » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:52 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:But Ball isn’t any better than him, right?


I don't recall that argument. However, I wonder last year if Lonzo was better than Coby. Question answered.
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Post#206 » by PaKii94 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:04 am

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Michael Jackson wrote:But Ball isn’t any better than him, right?


I don't recall that argument. However, I wonder last year if Lonzo was better than Coby. Question answered.


Dude Lonzo was easily better. Coby was an anchor on the team. Lonzo was a impactful 3/D roleplayer
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Post#207 » by PaKii94 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:06 am

sco wrote:A good read:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/stephen-curry-warriors-shooting-11637027582

A shot that strays nearly 5 inches away from the center of the hoop in either direction can still be a swish. But that margin of error in his left-right positioning was much too high for Curry. So last summer, as he shot threes in the NBA offseason, he gave himself only 3 inches of wiggle room. He was even more demanding when shooting from closer: Curry’s leeway for his free throws was 2 inches.

These weren’t arbitrary numbers. The massive collection of information at their disposal allowed the data scientists at Noah Basketball, the company behind this shot-tracking technology, to explore all kinds of fascinating questions that never before had empirical answers. When they looked at millions of 3-pointers from NBA players, they found that 79% of shots at the dead center of the rim went in, but there was little difference up to one or two inches off center (79% and 77%) and only a minimal reduction out to three inches (74%).


Curry would listen for the instant verbal feedback on his left-right locations and learn whether a shot met his standards. He wasn’t relying on sight to determine the quality of his shot. Instead he waited for the sound of a computerized voice.

The tracking system had followed the shot’s flight path, used a sensor to measure where the center of the ball crossed the plane of the hoop and calculated its deviation from the center of the basket in relation to the shooter. Then it would read a number between -9 (nine inches to the left) and 9 (nine inches to the right), with 0 meaning his shot had been dead straight. This was the basketball equivalent of a bull’s-eye. Not every shot can be optimal—not even for Curry—but any shot within three inches of center was considered sufficient.

Curry’s precision shooting routine wasn’t a marathon workout. The longest it ever lasted was roughly 90 minutes. “We’re looking for quality over quantity,” Payne said. “The number of shots you take really depends on the information and feedback. The feedback will tell you when you’re getting close to the point of diminishing returns.


Helps having latest SF tech at your disposal :D
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Post#208 » by chifan1798 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:26 am

Shaq is on the Bulls bandwagon (he’s one of the few along with Chuck that has been there since the offseason). Thinks we could win the finals. Still seems like an extreme long shot to me though.
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Post#209 » by Michael Jackson » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:45 am

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Michael Jackson wrote:But Ball isn’t any better than him, right?


I don't recall that argument. However, I wonder last year if Lonzo was better than Coby. Question answered.



The Ball detractors definitely said he wasn’t any better than Sato, they both offered the same thing and Sato was cheaper. Basically saying they both sucked was the argument. Sato is not a starting level PG, Ball is, while not elite at anything but defense, he is still starting level. That’s what the extra salary is worth. Moot point now. I mean with. Vuc, DDR and Ball maybe they all are overpaid, but that is just what quality players cost. They demand more than the market because there aren’t that many players that can replicate what they do. Ball is worth more at 20 per than Gafford is at 12 per imho.
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Post#210 » by Grodoboldo » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:23 am

Man, Steph is an alien! This warriors team would be struggling to reach .500 if it wasn't for him.
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Post#211 » by Threekola » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:01 am

chifan1798 wrote:Shaq is on the Bulls bandwagon (he’s one of the few along with Chuck that has been there since the offseason). Thinks we could win the finals. Still seems like an extreme long shot to me though.


Still seems like we're a move away from being a serious contender, to get an above average starter at the 4 spot.
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Post#212 » by Michael Jackson » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:06 am

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chifan1798 wrote:Shaq is on the Bulls bandwagon (he’s one of the few along with Chuck that has been there since the offseason). Thinks we could win the finals. Still seems like an extreme long shot to me though.


Still seems like we're a move away from being a serious contender, to get an above average starter at the 4 spot.



Agreed. Watching GSW vs Nets and if either or both get their players back (well Klay will be back but what Klay) we still need more to compete. At best still a dark horse imho but getting more convincing everyday. You kniw earnjng it the old fashioned way instead of being anointed. I’ll take the doubt. Let’s just keep proving it.
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Post#213 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:10 am

This Brooklyn team is beatable in the playoffs.

Warriors are smashing them in the 3rd.
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Post#214 » by DuckIII » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:16 am

Is Steph the most unique elite player of all time? Most guys are at least a little but like another elite guy. But the game has never seen anyone like Steph. He’s truly singular.
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Post#215 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:18 am

Gary Payton II is a nightmare defensively. What a steal the Warriors got. Rich got richer.
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Post#216 » by Repeat 3-peat » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:22 am

The Warriors defense is so damn good.

Agreed with Bulls-E. Payton has been fantastic.
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Post#217 » by Repeat 3-peat » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:27 am

The Warriors will have a star in Kuminga. It may take another season but he has all the talents to be a 2-way star. Couldn't have been drafted by a better team to help him develop.
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Post#218 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:29 am

Warriors are up by 22 after 3 against the Nets ON THE ROAD.

They were up against the Bulls by 24 at home after 3.

I can feel a little better about our thrashing now. The Warriors just may be unstoppable. Kerr will run away with COY. On paper I’m not sure how they’re this good.
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Post#219 » by DuckIII » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:42 am

Steph is just toying with entire defenses. It’s like they are not even there and he’s just running around cones. The Bulls and Nets are among the best defenses in the league and he just humiliated both.
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Post#220 » by mtron32 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:52 am

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Threekola wrote:
chifan1798 wrote:Shaq is on the Bulls bandwagon (he’s one of the few along with Chuck that has been there since the offseason). Thinks we could win the finals. Still seems like an extreme long shot to me though.


Still seems like we're a move away from being a serious contender, to get an above average starter at the 4 spot.



Agreed. Watching GSW vs Nets and if either or both get their players back (well Klay will be back but what Klay) we still need more to compete. At best still a dark horse imho but getting more convincing everyday. You kniw earnjng it the old fashioned way instead of being anointed. I’ll take the doubt. Let’s just keep proving it.


Question is, who do we get at the 4? I'd love to get a solid starting 4 to pair with Vooch and slide Pat to the bench.
Domantas Sabonis
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Miles Bridges

We'd have to give up a lot for Grant or Sabonis, Miles Bridges is up for grabs though, assuming Charlette doesn't toss him the bag.

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