2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[Johnny Bball]

Here's the kind of trade we should be looking for IMO. Love has one more year. I wonder what he has in him and if you could have him come of the bench first and make him a reclamation project to trade in the summer as an expiring a la hordford, westbrook etc. He's big, rebound, and passes/starts the break as well as anyone.

Love, CLE FRP, and Houton's 22 SRP, SAS Spurs 22 SRP for Dragic and Boucher. CLE is great without love and its got me thinking they now have more urgency to move him. two years is a heavy contract and would require at least those picks. The SRPs are bascially late firsts with their records.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzf8jf3s

Its intriguing. A risk, but the picks might make.it a risk worth taking.

But does Cleveland REALLY need another small guard? I understand sexton is out but still. And for how long?

Theyd love to get their hands on a boucher type tho for sure.

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Is Cleveland that desperate to get Love off their books? He's obviously a bad contract but I think they're under the tax for now. Unless they want to re-sign Sexton this offseason then yeah they'll be in the luxury tax with Love still on their team.

There's no risk in giving up Dragic and Boucher, and I'm not expecting anything from Love - the prize are the draft assets. Question for the FO is, is that enough compensation for us to go into luxury tax for. I think we'll be a few million over the tax bill if we make this trade.

I don't know but I expect they will be impatient yes. They are playing really well without Love. And I think they will be looking to trade Sexton. Again.

We wouldn't go into the tax with that trade this year. But next year if we can't move him we obviously would be.

[nivisi9]

Could we use Trent to get Turner? seems fair if we throw in a bit more

PG- FVV
SG- OG
SF- Barnes
PF- Siakam
C- Turner

[Dyehardrapsfan]

Is Bagley worth trading for?

[Spida888]

Is Bagley worth trading for?

No, not really...
- he's a bad defender and has a bad attitude.
- is expensive and we don't have a player contract of similar value, so likely puts us over the tax
- in a contract year, and looking to get paid

If we entertain a Pascal to SAC trade down the road, then I don't mind him as filler to help match salary but not too high on him.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

[HumbleRen]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

Give me Haliburton or give me death

[Bruin]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

[Psubs]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

They would be dumb to trade Haliburton.

If they can trade Fox, they trade Fox.

Fox, Hield and Tristan Thompson for Wall, EGordon and Sengun

[Bruin]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

They would be dumb to trade Haliburton.

If they can trade Fox, they trade Fox.

Fox, Hield and Tristan Thompson for Wall, EGordon and Sengun

That’s a terrible return for Fox. Surely they could do much better

[Morris_Shatford]

Is Bagley worth trading for?

The issue with Bagley is his defense is awful;
Usually I would be the first to just blame the Kings system but he has always been a pretty poor defender.

His stats look fine but even on games where he would toss up a double double his effect on the game is nearly nil;
He reminds me of Greg Monroe when he was on Detroit, respectable stats but did little to contribute to winning.

He just don't strike me as a Nick Nurse guy.

[Psubs]

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

They would be dumb to trade Haliburton.

If they can trade Fox, they trade Fox.

Fox, Hield and Tristan Thompson for Wall, EGordon and Sengun

That’s a terrible return for Fox. Surely they could do much better

Fox is going to make over $30 million per year. Wall is covered by insurance I believe this season.

Fox isn't having a great year and he may never shoot well from 3 since he shoots 72% FT.

[10giz]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

Lol. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Let me ask you - what is the best case scenario in your opinion for Haliburton, assuming we got him.

[HumbleRen]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

Lol. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Let me ask you - what is the best case scenario in your opinion for Haliburton, assuming we got him.

20/5/7 guy. Elite efficiency, being a great connector while being able to space the floor and defend.

[Bruin]

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/11/16/nba-rumors-sacramento-kings-trade/

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

Lol. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Let me ask you - what is the best case scenario in your opinion for Haliburton, assuming we got him.

You must’ve not seen Haliburton play

I don’t think there’s a better true young point that could be attained. 21 year old 6’5” true point guard who can shoot with high efficiency and solid defender. and puts up nice numbers without requiring extreme usage. What’s not to love?

He has a better assist/turnover ratio as a 21 year old than Fred has right now

With that said, Sacramento wouldn’t trade Haliburton. He’s too valuable

[10giz]

I’d trade Siakam in a deal that gets us Haliburton. Could be the PG of the future

Lol. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Let me ask you - what is the best case scenario in your opinion for Haliburton, assuming we got him.

You must’ve not seen Haliburton play

I don’t think there’s a better true young point that could be attained. 21 year old 6’5” true point guard who can shoot with high efficiency and solid defender. and puts up nice numbers without requiring extreme usage. What’s not to love?

He has a better assist/turnover ratio as a 21 year old than Fred has right now

With that said, Sacramento wouldn’t trade Haliburton. He’s too valuable

Lol. Dude I have. I like him. He's awesome. But "too valuable" is, respectfully, a crock of ****. He's valuable because of his rookie contract.

PG is literally the most abundant position in the league. That makes it the least valuable (generally speaking) and absolutely nonsensical to actually invest or give up asserts major for. By far and away.

(Exception - win now team acquiring a stud like Lowry/Jrue...OR...getting a guy like Lonzo off his rookie deal for next to nothing).

Haliburton looks great, awesome talent. Solid perimeter defender. I'd love to have him on our team. But who is he really? He's the 5th option on his team playing a low priority role on a poor defence on a team going nowhere.

Playing well on a trash team and franchise doesn't always translate to the same on a winning team with high expectations. What's not to love? Nothing. It's great. It's just not anything that will be a game changing addition by any stretch. You can't just project his efficiency onto a team like ours and assume he'll just, what, become a leader? A clutch player? A key to our future title aspirations?

Really using A/TO? Bro their roles are not comparable. Fred is actually our main PG, our co-primary scorer, our top assist man, our top 3 point man in both attempts (more than double Halliburton's) and % (40%). On top of all of that, he's one of the best defenders in the entire league at his position, one of the toughest players in the league and he does all that at 6' if that. Halburton will be lucky to ever fit into Freds jock, and that's not a slight to TH, but Fred is on a very similar trajectory to the best player in our franchises history and HOFer. Forgive me if I find any comparison between the too comical.

We can just like, draft a PG this summer instead of trading an all-star who has next to no similar peers in terms of skillset and physicals.

Or we can develop Banton and like the rest of our young guys, have them blossom into great players.

So many options that don't involve trading away a **** stud in Pascal.

[Bruin]

Lol I’m literally not even gonna entertain that post. I guess everyone’s entitled to their opinion

[10giz]

Lol I’m literally not even gonna entertain that post. I guess everyone’s entitled to their opinion

Yeah, they are. Care to share yours?

Like, I'd love to be educated on what I'm missing out.

[Bruin]

Lol I’m literally not even gonna entertain that post. I guess everyone’s entitled to their opinion

Yeah, they are. Care to share yours?

Like, I'd love to be educated on what I'm missing out.

You’re discounting Halburton because his team isn’t good, but in reality the Kings had a better record than us last year and their record is nearly identical to ours right now

Haliburton has the potential to become an even better defensive player than Fred and he’s actually a PG in a SG body while Fred is more of a SG in a PG body. He’s already a great playmaker and shooter and is only just 21. I project as being a multiple time all star and he fits the identity of being big and versatile at every position. He can play on both and off ball

Siakam is great, I have no issues with him. But he’s not a great fit and the most ideal return for him is a high level prospect. No point in moving Siakam for a guy who’s on the same timeline as Fred and Pascal when we should be focusing primarily on the OG and Scottie timeline

You might be higher on Fred than I am, but I don’t like him as a primary PG and having him run the offense. He’s a great player, but nor a great fit for the role we need him to play

If Haliburton was attainable I’d trade anyone but Scottie and OG for him

[Bowdystuda]

Is Simmons' trade value at this level yet? Dragic+Boucher+Precious+Flynn (+future 1st if required)?

FVV/Dalano/Bonga
OG/GTJ
Pascal/Svi
Scottie/Yuta
Simmons/Birch

We get a boost to our defense and playmaking, and go all-in on playing uptempo positionless basketball.

Nope

[billy_hoyle]

Lol I’m literally not even gonna entertain that post. I guess everyone’s entitled to their opinion

Yeah, they are. Care to share yours?

Like, I'd love to be educated on what I'm missing out.

You’re discounting Halburton because his team isn’t good, but in reality the Kings had a better record than us last year and their record is nearly identical to ours right now

Haliburton has the potential to become an even better defensive player than Fred and he’s actually a PG in a SG body while Fred is more of a SG in a PG body. He’s already a great playmaker and shooter and is only just 21. I project as being a multiple time all star and he fits the identity of being big and versatile at every position. He can play on both and off ball

Siakam is great, I have no issues with him. But he’s not a great fit and the most ideal return for him is a high level prospect. No point in moving Siakam for a guy who’s on the same timeline as Fred and Pascal when we should be focusing primarily on the OG and Scottie timeline

You might be higher on Fred than I am, but I don’t like him as a primary PG and having him run the offense. He’s a great player, but nor a great fit for the role we need him to play

If Haliburton was attainable I’d trade anyone but Scottie and OG for him

I don't know man, Pascal has been a 2nd team all nbaer. Does Haliburton reach those heights? As 10giz said, it's easier to find guards, harder to find Swiss Army knife forwards.

GTJ is only 22. Putting up some nice numbers, and defensive stats. Is Haliburton that much of an upgrade?