76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[God Squad]

I'm I the only one that thinks the Sixers are the ones losing this standoff so far?

1. Ben stays wherever he is and collects/gets fined.
2. Sixers continue to struggle
3. No offers/respectable offers
4. Ben gets NBPA support
5. Sixers paint Ben one way---Rich Paul paints Sixers one way
6. Sixers history with players with mental issues/Yips

I think Ben is perfectly fine never playing for the Sixers again, even if being fined periodically is the outcome. I'll say this much for all his talent, I'm happy it's not my team dealing with it.

Morey is an fraud and I say that as a Sixers fan

He’s earning $10 million per year and can’t afford another loss after trading Chris Paul for Westbrook as his career would effectively be over

Simmons was never coming back

Should have been traded before draft night

Yeah, his whole " we'll wait 3 years if we have to approach" isn't going to work out for the Sixers I think. They'll continue to lose games/waste Embiid and the fans will soon turn on Morey. But who knows at this point, it's all so fluid and changing daily.

[AlexanderRight]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

That’s not happening

I worked for a guy far richer and far more powerful than Josh Harris

It’s not how they think

He would be pissed because he’s not in control but eventually common sense prevails & particularly when things are heading south

Far more richer than a guy worth 7 billion? When you’re that successful there is no “heading south”. He’s too high for any one person to bring down. From his business perspective, more is lost giving in to this failed hostage attempt and you can believe all the owners are on the same page on that. If you think these guys are just gonna sit and let these kids take their money for nothing I want some of what you’re smoking.

[Tomjas]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

That’s not happening

I worked for a guy far richer and far more powerful than Josh Harris

It’s not how they think

He would be pissed because he’s not in control but eventually common sense prevails & particularly when things are heading south

Far more richer than a guy worth 7 billion? When you’re that successful there is no “heading south”. He’s too high for any one person to bring down. From his business perspective, more is lost giving in to this failed hostage attempt and you can believe all the owners are on the same page on that. If you think these guys are just gonna sit and let these kids take their money for nothing I want some of what you’re smoking.

There’s always somebody more powerful

[azcatz11]

That’s not happening

I worked for a guy far richer and far more powerful than Josh Harris

It’s not how they think

He would be pissed because he’s not in control but eventually common sense prevails & particularly when things are heading south

Far more richer than a guy worth 7 billion? When you’re that successful there is no “heading south”. He’s too high for any one person to bring down. From his business perspective, more is lost giving in to this failed hostage attempt and you can believe all the owners are on the same page on that. If you think these guys are just gonna sit and let these kids take their money for nothing I want some of what you’re smoking.

There’s always somebody more powerful

So what billionaire did you work for where you know how they operate?

[Myth]

Maybe you mean "contract"? Cause umm...I think most people have things like short and long term disability to pay them in these cases.

Seriously, you are paying then for a job, not their mental health leave. Like you said, disability pays for this stuff. Women don’t even get paid maternity leave in America. Their jobs are protected, and then the state compensates financially (for a limited time).

Edit: Apparently I’m in one of the few states that does help financially. Most don’t even do that.

The employer pays into those "state funds" so not fully true there. Even things like unemployment insurance...same source.

But they don’t continue giving a direct paycheck to the employee and that is what we are talking about. And even the state doesn’tpay the full amount. Additionally, employers and employees both contribute to such funds via taxes. It comes from payroll deductions. So Simmons could still see if he qualifies through the state. If NBA players don’t qualify, maybe the NBA should consider adding this to the benefits package that they already have. But a full paycheck directly from the team is very different from this concept.

[queridiculo]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

Billionaires or anybody with a degree of financial success probably didn't get where they are by flushing money down the toilet or letting assets devalue needlessly.

At some point they're going to cut their losses and move on.

Holding your own franchise hostage to make a point would just be foolish.

[Ugly0598]

Don’t understand why Kyrie & Simmons are involved in a trade or some sort of 3 or 4 team deal.

[AlexanderRight]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

Billionaires or anybody with a degree of financial success probably didn't get where they are by flushing money down the toilet or letting assets devalue needlessly.

At some point they're going to cut their losses and move on.

Holding your own franchise hostage to make a point would just be foolish.

Better you do it yourself then to let someone take hostage of you. Am I right? At this point his value can only get higher. Make it clear, announce to the media that he won’t get traded until he sees court time. If Ben never suits up, whatever losses you think the owner will have, Simmons losses will be greater. He’ll have to dig into the luxury tax to make up for the dead weight on the cap in order to keep the team competitive but the money the owner will lose in the short term is nothing compared to the money and leverage he and the owners will lose if they give in to this one man. At this point, principle, respect and setting precedence for the future matters more than the money(which he has a lot of).

[dhsilv2]

Seriously, you are paying then for a job, not their mental health leave. Like you said, disability pays for this stuff. Women don’t even get paid maternity leave in America. Their jobs are protected, and then the state compensates financially (for a limited time).

Edit: Apparently I’m in one of the few states that does help financially. Most don’t even do that.

The employer pays into those "state funds" so not fully true there. Even things like unemployment insurance...same source.

But they don’t continue giving a direct paycheck to the employee and that is what we are talking about. And even the state doesn’tpay the full amount. Additionally, employers and employees both contribute to such funds via taxes. It comes from payroll deductions. So Simmons could still see if he qualifies through the state. If NBA players don’t qualify, maybe the NBA should consider adding this to the benefits package that they already have. But a full paycheck directly from the team is very different from this concept.

Well we all understand nba players are both CONTRACT and UNION employees. That's just not normal for the rest of us.

[Flash4thewin]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

Billionaires or anybody with a degree of financial success probably didn't get where they are by flushing money down the toilet or letting assets devalue needlessly.

At some point they're going to cut their losses and move on.

Holding your own franchise hostage to make a point would just be foolish.

Its about setting a precedent, think big picture. Trading a max player who signed a 4 year contract for pennies on the dollar is beyond idiotic. The player is trying to force his way off and is using the excuse of mental health when clearly most people dont believe him. Cutting your losses at this point is not trading him for trash but fighting to void his contract and have him removed from the NBA for the duration of the 4 years he signed for, basically they will go with the nuclear option. Sometimes to win a war you need to lose a battle, here they might not get an “asset” back but they and the league will come out winning. No one will ever pull this idiotic attempt at forcing a trade after signing a max deal with 4 years left. Think big picture.

[Myth]

The employer pays into those "state funds" so not fully true there. Even things like unemployment insurance...same source.

But they don’t continue giving a direct paycheck to the employee and that is what we are talking about. And even the state doesn’tpay the full amount. Additionally, employers and employees both contribute to such funds via taxes. It comes from payroll deductions. So Simmons could still see if he qualifies through the state. If NBA players don’t qualify, maybe the NBA should consider adding this to the benefits package that they already have. But a full paycheck directly from the team is very different from this concept.

Well we all understand nba players are both CONTRACT and UNION employees. That's just not normal for the rest of us.

Right, so the union can decide to do pay deductions from the players to fund benefits like mental health leave. They are also welcome to fight for contributions from their employers in the next collective bargaining agreement, but they can't just force the employers to pay if such a leave is not in the contract. When you have a contract, you are expected to fulfill it if you want paid.

[thenbaman]

To all the ones who thinks Ben Simmons should get paid, I hope you say the same if you ever hire a contractor who does no work for you. Easy to spend someone else’s money.

As long as the contractor tells me that there's mental health issues they're working on, I'll be more than happy to give them all the money in the world to not do the job he signed a contract to do. Because who am I to question his valid mental health reasons (and he still deserves to get paid too, because, like, uh, America).

[thenbaman]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

Billionaires or anybody with a degree of financial success probably didn't get where they are by flushing money down the toilet or letting assets devalue needlessly.

At some point they're going to cut their losses and move on.

Holding your own franchise hostage to make a point would just be foolish.

Its about setting a precedent, think big picture. Trading a max player who signed a 4 year contract for pennies on the dollar is beyond idiotic. The player is trying to force his way off and is using the excuse of mental health when clearly most people dont believe him. Cutting your losses at this point is not trading him for trash but fighting to void his contract and have him removed from the NBA for the duration of the 4 years he signed for, basically they will go with the nuclear option. Sometimes to win a war you need to lose a battle, here they might not get an “asset” back but they and the league will come out winning. No one will ever pull this idiotic attempt at forcing a trade after signing a max deal with 4 years left. Think big picture.

Thank you someone with common sense.

[bebopdeluxe]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

Billionaires or anybody with a degree of financial success probably didn't get where they are by flushing money down the toilet or letting assets devalue needlessly.

At some point they're going to cut their losses and move on.

Holding your own franchise hostage to make a point would just be foolish.

Its about setting a precedent, think big picture. Trading a max player who signed a 4 year contract for pennies on the dollar is beyond idiotic. The player is trying to force his way off and is using the excuse of mental health when clearly most people dont believe him. Cutting your losses at this point is not trading him for trash but fighting to void his contract and have him removed from the NBA for the duration of the 4 years he signed for, basically they will go with the nuclear option. Sometimes to win a war you need to lose a battle, here they might not get an “asset” back but they and the league will come out winning. No one will ever pull this idiotic attempt at forcing a trade after signing a max deal with 4 years left. Think big picture.

Excellent post. Agree 100%.

This is why you haven't heard a peep from either Adam Silver or the NBA players association. What Klutch is trying to do goes to the heart of the contractual relationship between player and team. For Ben Simmons to win this battle, and force a trade for pennies on the dollar, would be such a toxic resolution to this that the NBA will have a significantly more disasterous PR nightmare to deal with - when the owners lock the players out. The NBA PA doesn't want to touch this, or appear to support Ben/Klutch's position, as they will be frantically trying to win the PR battle during the next CBA negotiations (for a pot of something like $175+ million per team being projected). It will NOT be a good time to lose guaranteed contracts or restrictions/limits for max contracts - which is almost certainly what the owners will push for if Simmons is successful here.

It definitely sucks for the Sixers right now, but they were playing well when the team was healthier, and there is no reason why they can't get back to winning games once Embiid, Green and Thybulle return. This is a weird year - teams like the Wizards are at the top of the East, while the Bucks and Nets are right around where the Sixers are. I would not be surprised if the Sixers are prepared to have Simmons sit out the entire year, and trade him before next season's draft.

Let's see if Ben and Klutch have the guts to sue the Sixers if that is their strategy.

[dhsilv2]

But they don’t continue giving a direct paycheck to the employee and that is what we are talking about. And even the state doesn’tpay the full amount. Additionally, employers and employees both contribute to such funds via taxes. It comes from payroll deductions. So Simmons could still see if he qualifies through the state. If NBA players don’t qualify, maybe the NBA should consider adding this to the benefits package that they already have. But a full paycheck directly from the team is very different from this concept.

Well we all understand nba players are both CONTRACT and UNION employees. That's just not normal for the rest of us.

Right, so the union can decide to do pay deductions from the players to fund benefits like mental health leave. They are also welcome to fight for contributions from their employers in the next collective bargaining agreement, but they can't just force the employers to pay if such a leave is not in the contract. When you have a contract, you are expected to fulfill it if you want paid.

Even if Ben isn't paid it has to be through fines which still come out of the 76er's pocket. So there's really no method to move who pays it in the nba. Even if the player isn't paid, it goes to charity but the 76er's still pay. It's just a VERY different pay system.

[Myth]

Well we all understand nba players are both CONTRACT and UNION employees. That's just not normal for the rest of us.

Right, so the union can decide to do pay deductions from the players to fund benefits like mental health leave. They are also welcome to fight for contributions from their employers in the next collective bargaining agreement, but they can't just force the employers to pay if such a leave is not in the contract. When you have a contract, you are expected to fulfill it if you want paid.

Even if Ben isn't paid it has to be through fines which still come out of the 76er's pocket. So there's really no method to move who pays it in the nba. Even if the player isn't paid, it goes to charity but the 76er's still pay. It's just a VERY different pay system.

Ok. I don't know what your point is.

[dhsilv2]

Right, so the union can decide to do pay deductions from the players to fund benefits like mental health leave. They are also welcome to fight for contributions from their employers in the next collective bargaining agreement, but they can't just force the employers to pay if such a leave is not in the contract. When you have a contract, you are expected to fulfill it if you want paid.

Even if Ben isn't paid it has to be through fines which still come out of the 76er's pocket. So there's really no method to move who pays it in the nba. Even if the player isn't paid, it goes to charity but the 76er's still pay. It's just a VERY different pay system.

Ok. I don't know what your point is.

Statements of facts that the NBA system doesn't match with other industries. Not really a greater point here...I have no strong or even really mild opinion on this given how different a world this is than anything else I or most others touch.

[Myth]

Even if Ben isn't paid it has to be through fines which still come out of the 76er's pocket. So there's really no method to move who pays it in the nba. Even if the player isn't paid, it goes to charity but the 76er's still pay. It's just a VERY different pay system.

Ok. I don't know what your point is.

Statements of facts that the NBA system doesn't match with other industries. Not really a greater point here...I have no strong or even really mild opinion on this given how different a world this is than anything else I or most others touch.

Got it.

[Pointgod]

You don’t ever wannna get in a pissing contest with a billionaire. They got too much ego and money to let someone get over on them, especially someone like Rich Paul who has made a living leeching off of other people. At this point, if I’m the owner, I let Simmons rot for four years and dare him to nuke his own career, if nothing else but to use him as an example to my employees who think they can get paid to not work. When you have that much money you have nothing to lose and can **** someone just for them thinking they can **** with you.

Billionaires or anybody with a degree of financial success probably didn't get where they are by flushing money down the toilet or letting assets devalue needlessly.

At some point they're going to cut their losses and move on.

Holding your own franchise hostage to make a point would just be foolish.

Better you do it yourself then to let someone take hostage of you. Am I right? At this point his value can only get higher. Make it clear, announce to the media that he won’t get traded until he sees court time. If Ben never suits up, whatever losses you think the owner will have, Simmons losses will be greater. He’ll have to dig into the luxury tax to make up for the dead weight on the cap in order to keep the team competitive but the money the owner will lose in the short term is nothing compared to the money and leverage he and the owners will lose if they give in to this one man. At this point, principle, respect and setting precedence for the future matters more than the money(which he has a lot of).

That’s not how this works, it’s not how any of this works.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

There are incredibly talented people out there in the world that I have no desire to work with because of their difficult personalities. Its a losing battle to get caught in a situation like that, but toxic and drama-loving people have no place in my life.