Philadelphia - Portland - Toronto

[expatbayern]

If there were any possibility of Portland going for Simmons, it'd be because Dame had talked to him behind the scenes, knew Ben was excited to come play with him in Portland, and was convinced he could mentor Ben and get his head on straight.

If it's Ben *for* Dame, Simmons is never going to suit up for the Blazers, he'll just keep sitting out until we're forced to move him for nothing to LA or whatever.

[JRoy]

If there were any possibility of Portland going for Simmons, it'd be because Dame had talked to him behind the scenes, knew Ben was excited to come play with him in Portland, and was convinced he could mentor Ben and get his head on straight.

If it's Ben *for* Dame, Simmons is never going to suit up for the Blazers, he'll just keep sitting out until we're forced to move him for nothing to LA or whatever.

Boom.

This is the reason his value is so low.

This is why all the talk about trading him for an all star is nonsense.

[BullyKing]

If there were any possibility of Portland going for Simmons, it'd be because Dame had talked to him behind the scenes, knew Ben was excited to come play with him in Portland, and was convinced he could mentor Ben and get his head on straight.

If it's Ben *for* Dame, Simmons is never going to suit up for the Blazers, he'll just keep sitting out until we're forced to move him for nothing to LA or whatever.

Boom.

This is the reason his value is so low.

This is why all the talk about trading him for an all star is nonsense.

So Simmons value is low because Dame would have talked to him about wanting to play with him. Not sure I follow that "logic" including how that would impact what offers the Blazers would have to beat but ok.

[JRoy]

If there were any possibility of Portland going for Simmons, it'd be because Dame had talked to him behind the scenes, knew Ben was excited to come play with him in Portland, and was convinced he could mentor Ben and get his head on straight.

If it's Ben *for* Dame, Simmons is never going to suit up for the Blazers, he'll just keep sitting out until we're forced to move him for nothing to LA or whatever.

Boom.

This is the reason his value is so low.

This is why all the talk about trading him for an all star is nonsense.

So Simmons value is low because Dame would have talked to him about wanting to play with him. Not sure I follow that "logic" including how that would impact what offers the Blazers would have to beat but ok.

Has nothing to do with the Blazers.

YSBS pulling this stunt about not wanting to play in PHI. What team wants to give up top shelf assets to risk he does the same thing with his new team?

“Too bad we gave up all our assets, now he’s going to sit out unless we trade him for Westbrook.”

[Village Idiot]

If there were any possibility of Portland going for Simmons, it'd be because Dame had talked to him behind the scenes, knew Ben was excited to come play with him in Portland, and was convinced he could mentor Ben and get his head on straight.

If it's Ben *for* Dame, Simmons is never going to suit up for the Blazers, he'll just keep sitting out until we're forced to move him for nothing to LA or whatever.

Boom.

This is the reason his value is so low.

This is why all the talk about trading him for an all star is nonsense.

So Simmons value is low because Dame would have talked to him about wanting to play with him. Not sure I follow that "logic" including how that would impact what offers the Blazers would have to beat but ok.

Simmons value is low because he can't /won't shoot, is holding out due to mental issues and has supposedly been specific about where he wants to play

[Def Leppard]

Toronto would just take Simmons if Philly would do this. Portland wouldn't be in this deal.

Toronto doesn't down grade in trades, my two cents

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[BullyKing]

Boom.

This is the reason his value is so low.

This is why all the talk about trading him for an all star is nonsense.

So Simmons value is low because Dame would have talked to him about wanting to play with him. Not sure I follow that "logic" including how that would impact what offers the Blazers would have to beat but ok.

Has nothing to do with the Blazers.

YSBS pulling this stunt about not wanting to play in PHI. What team wants to give up top shelf assets to risk he does the same thing with his new team?

“Too bad we gave up all our assets, now he’s going to sit out unless we trade him for Westbrook.”

See now you're just being dishonest.

1. That is not at all what you said above.
2. This still makes no sense. Obviously prior to completing any trade, the acquiring team will demand to speak with Simmons/Clutch to make sure he will be happy there. But there have been no reports that Simmons would be unhappy anywhere but Philly. So that has no impact on Simmons value - it only means that a team would never finalize the trade without those assurances.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

The value that some people still assign Simmons still astounds me. Not only is he flawed AND limited by his own anxiety but he has no problem pushing his weight around to get what he wants the minute he is unhappy. If you trade for him its gotta be the Ben Simmons show 24/7 and everything you do caters toward him. Sounds like a big old headache for a player that can only take you so far in the playoffs.

[Bowdystuda]

Philadelphia trades:

Ben Simmons

Philadelphia receives:

Pascal Siakam

The Sixers get a talented two-way player who should be able to fit well next to Harris at the other forward spot and move on from the Ben Simmons drama

Portland trades:

CJ McCollum
Jusuf Nurkic

Portland receives:

Ben Simmons
Chris Boucher

Portland needs to shake things up. They take a gamble on Simmons game, mental health and ability to slot in at center. Boucher should be a decent back-up forward

Toronto trades:

Pascal Siakam
Chris Boucher

Toronto receives:

CJ McCollum
Jusuf Nurkic

Toronto addresses its needs and clears up the log-jam at forward where Barnes and Banton have looked really promising and OG is a stud who is probably trying to do too much offensively. McCollum provides a go to scorer who can also hit the 3 and create his own shot moving FVV back to a 6th man role. Nurkic provides a decent defensive and rebounding center who sets really good screens.

That's a big NO from Toronto

[Blazinaway]

The value that some people still assign Simmons still astounds me. Not only is he flawed AND limited by his own anxiety but he has no problem pushing his weight around to get what he wants the minute he is unhappy. If you trade for him its gotta be the Ben Simmons show 24/7 and everything you do caters toward him. Sounds like a big old headache for a player that can only take you so far in the playoffs.

Kyrie 2.0? Pay huge dollars and get nothing but constant migranes....

[JRoy]

So Simmons value is low because Dame would have talked to him about wanting to play with him. Not sure I follow that "logic" including how that would impact what offers the Blazers would have to beat but ok.

Has nothing to do with the Blazers.

YSBS pulling this stunt about not wanting to play in PHI. What team wants to give up top shelf assets to risk he does the same thing with his new team?

“Too bad we gave up all our assets, now he’s going to sit out unless we trade him for Westbrook.”

See now you're just being dishonest.

1. That is not at all what you said above.
2. This still makes no sense. Obviously prior to completing any trade, the acquiring team will demand to speak with Simmons/Clutch to make sure he will be happy there. But there have been no reports that Simmons would be unhappy anywhere but Philly. So that has no impact on Simmons value - it only means that a team would never finalize the trade without those assurances.

How the hell are you a moderator?

Dishonest? No.

I like Simmons to POR, and am willing to pay more than most fans to see that happen. But Simmons comes with a boatload of hassle and drama that lowers his value.

You want to pretend that is not the case, but it is the case or he would already be gone.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

The value that some people still assign Simmons still astounds me. Not only is he flawed AND limited by his own anxiety but he has no problem pushing his weight around to get what he wants the minute he is unhappy. If you trade for him its gotta be the Ben Simmons show 24/7 and everything you do caters toward him. Sounds like a big old headache for a player that can only take you so far in the playoffs.

Kyrie 2.0? Pay huge dollars and get nothing but constant migranes....

I just get the impression these guys don't get much fulfillment out of basketball, its basically a paycheck to them for something they have natural talent at. Which is fine on a human level but makes paying them 30 million a year not totally worth it, and then you have fans expecting us to give up Lillard on top of that and its like no friggin way...

[Blazinaway]

The value that some people still assign Simmons still astounds me. Not only is he flawed AND limited by his own anxiety but he has no problem pushing his weight around to get what he wants the minute he is unhappy. If you trade for him its gotta be the Ben Simmons show 24/7 and everything you do caters toward him. Sounds like a big old headache for a player that can only take you so far in the playoffs.

Kyrie 2.0? Pay huge dollars and get nothing but constant migranes....

I just get the impression these guys don't get much fulfillment out of basketball, its basically a paycheck to them for something they have natural talent at. Which is fine on a human level but makes paying them 30 million a year not totally worth it, and then you have fans expecting us to give up Lillard on top of that and its like no friggin way...

I rarely agree with Stephen A but his recent rant on Kyrie was right on - you don't give a guy like that more than a ONE yr contract, yeah pay him his 30-35 mil for one yr but that's it, IMO Simmons has now put himself in the same category, unfortunately after this yr he has 3 yrs left averaging 35 mil. IMO in rare cases like Simmons and Kyrie being locked into a long term deal is actually a trade negative.

[BullyKing]

Has nothing to do with the Blazers.

YSBS pulling this stunt about not wanting to play in PHI. What team wants to give up top shelf assets to risk he does the same thing with his new team?

“Too bad we gave up all our assets, now he’s going to sit out unless we trade him for Westbrook.”

See now you're just being dishonest.

1. That is not at all what you said above.
2. This still makes no sense. Obviously prior to completing any trade, the acquiring team will demand to speak with Simmons/Clutch to make sure he will be happy there. But there have been no reports that Simmons would be unhappy anywhere but Philly. So that has no impact on Simmons value - it only means that a team would never finalize the trade without those assurances.

How the hell are you a moderator?

My good looks, obviously.

Dishonest? No.

I like Simmons to POR, and am willing to pay more than most fans to see that happen. But Simmons comes with a boatload of hassle and drama that lowers his value.

You want to pretend that is not the case, but it is the case or he would already be gone.

Thank you for confirming that you have no explanation as to how Simmons' desire to play for anyone but Philadelphia lowers Simmons' value other than you wishing it to be so and that not contesting that you continue to change your own explanation because at the end of the day, the only thing you care about is creating reasons to make your desire to acquire Simmons for nothing seem more facially reasonable.

[Texas Chuck]

How the hell are you a moderator?

First, and most importantly, this isn't appropriate in any way and you know that. BullyKing never shies away from a discussion. Come back him and tell how crappy his arguments are. Tell him why Simmons sucks, has no value, Philly has no leverage, whatever. Explain why Portland shouldn't touch him. Or why they should but what your limits would be. Make your own assumptions regarding his willingness or not to play elsewhere, how controlling or big of a problem he would be. All cool and welcome. Now Bully might argue back of course. After all we are here to debate. This? Not relevant to ya'll having a difference of opinion.

Second, and almost as important, he was a unanimous choice of the existing mods when we had an opening. And we are glad we have him.

Third, Bully's looks are a mixed bag. loserX and I think he's hot as hell, but he doesn't do much for Mamba or Pacers. Hartford too polite to comment and moneytalks wasn't here to weigh in.

[JRoy]

See now you're just being dishonest.

1. That is not at all what you said above.
2. This still makes no sense. Obviously prior to completing any trade, the acquiring team will demand to speak with Simmons/Clutch to make sure he will be happy there. But there have been no reports that Simmons would be unhappy anywhere but Philly. So that has no impact on Simmons value - it only means that a team would never finalize the trade without those assurances.

How the hell are you a moderator?

My good looks, obviously.

Dishonest? No.

I like Simmons to POR, and am willing to pay more than most fans to see that happen. But Simmons comes with a boatload of hassle and drama that lowers his value.

You want to pretend that is not the case, but it is the case or he would already be gone.

Thank you for confirming that you have no explanation as to how Simmons' desire to play for anyone but Philadelphia lowers Simmons' value other than you wishing it to be so and that not contesting that you continue to change your own explanation because at the end of the day, the only thing you care about is creating reasons to make your desire to acquire Simmons for nothing seem more facially reasonable.

First, props to you for the response, I figured you’d just ban me.

Don’t know anything about your looks, lol.

You say the only thing I care about is making my valuation of Simmons reasonable. I could say the the same thing about you.

We can (and do; what is it, 8 100 pg threads on the PHI board now?) spend all day going back and forth about the trade value of BS. Hopefully this will resolve itself in the not too distant future and we can something else about which to argue.

[JRoy]

How the hell are you a moderator?

First, and most importantly, this isn't appropriate in any way and you know that. BullyKing never shies away from a discussion. Come back him and tell how crappy his arguments are. Tell him why Simmons sucks, has no value, Philly has no leverage, whatever. Explain why Portland shouldn't touch him. Or why they should but what your limits would be. Make your own assumptions regarding his willingness or not to play elsewhere, how controlling or big of a problem he would be. All cool and welcome. Now Bully might argue back of course. After all we are here to debate. This? Not relevant to ya'll having a difference of opinion.

Second, and almost as important, he was a unanimous choice of the existing mods when we had an opening. And we are glad we have him.

Third, Bully's looks are a mixed bag. loserX and I think he's hot as hell, but he doesn't do much for Mamba or Pacers. Hartford too polite to comment and moneytalks wasn't here to weigh in.

When you’re right you’re right.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

How the hell are you a moderator?

My good looks, obviously.

How you doin'??

Thank you for confirming that you have no explanation as to how Simmons' desire to play for anyone but Philadelphia lowers Simmons' value ....

To take a stab at this: he appears to be a very mercurial personality.

Maybe he is fine in Portland for a few months and then decides he doesn't like the weather, or feels disrespected/criticized by Billups or the fans say mean things about him online or maybe he just wants to try getting to California again. It is not unreasonable to think that off-the-court issues like these can have a significant impact on his effort and willingness to suit up for a team.

Essentially it looks like one has to buy in to babysitting his ego if they want him to play for them. And to me that lowers what I am willing to give up in trading for him because just having him is a risk in itself.

[GutUNC]

Didn't want to quote DeBlazerRiddem directly as it's not a direct to response to him but the general sentiment that has seemed to grow on Real GM. I just feel like it needs to be pointed out that up until this summer, Simmons has been essentially a zero maintenance personality. He and Embiid have never had an issue and he's barely spoken to the media unless required, let alone produced an ounce of the soap opera drama that we're all now enduring.

Now....if you want to look at that as a "other then that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?" situation you can, but it seems I hear more and more people around here talking like bringing him in is instantly signing on for 4 years of exhausting drama and craziness. The far more likely scenario to me seems to me that he'll return to being the same quiet, (too) even-keeled person he's always been as soon as he leaves the city limits of Philadelphia and gets away from the people he perceives as antagonizing him.

[BullyKing]

How the hell are you a moderator?

My good looks, obviously.

Dishonest? No.

I like Simmons to POR, and am willing to pay more than most fans to see that happen. But Simmons comes with a boatload of hassle and drama that lowers his value.

You want to pretend that is not the case, but it is the case or he would already be gone.

Thank you for confirming that you have no explanation as to how Simmons' desire to play for anyone but Philadelphia lowers Simmons' value other than you wishing it to be so and that not contesting that you continue to change your own explanation because at the end of the day, the only thing you care about is creating reasons to make your desire to acquire Simmons for nothing seem more facially reasonable.

First, props to you for the response, I figured you’d just ban me.

FWIW, a post has to be beyond egregious for me to ever ban someone for a disagreement that I'm involved in. I am as susceptible to anyone else to their own emotions taking control and so I would not ban, and rarely if ever even warn, for something directed at me (another mod might take action on their initiative but I personally won't do it to make sure it's objectively fair).