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meekrab wrote:BNM wrote:PHI is struggling right now and not looking like a contender.
They were 8-2 looking like a well-oiled basketball machine before Embiid got Covid, this 5 game losing streak is not representative.
bebopdeluxe wrote:User_denied wrote:Harry Garris wrote:I mean if Philly can't get a decent trade package in return for Simmons they can hold out the rest of his contract. No sense in trading him if the trade isn't going to result in a meaningful improvement in the team's title chances.
This is definitely not how I see it. If he doesn't play this year then his value just goes down. Those advocating on holding Simmons indefinitely feels like they just want to "stick it" to Simmons rather then good asset management.
His value has no way to improve. He won't play and even if he does it's plain to see that it wouldn't go very well. And as for the "teams getting desperate" to make his value go up. This discounts the fact that other teams are involved in bidding and can outbid a devalued Simmons quite easily. So how do you get a star with him by holding on to him?
Holding on to him without a realistic way to increase his value is just lunacy to me. There are still decent (albeit not franchise changing packages) out there that you can combine with your own assets to get their star at a later date.
Embiid isn't 32. He still has a 4-5 year window where he can be the anchor of a team that can potentially compete for a title. Even if this year isn't a year that they will maximize, the growth of young players like Maxey and Thybulle is incredibly important to the team's long-term potential - and in the absence of Simmons, both of those guys should get a lot of playing time this year to grow their games.
In the overall scheme of things, there are still a lot of potential dates that can lead to a transaction - December 15th (when new contracts can be traded), the trade deadline, or even before the 2022 draft.
#teamchill
dirkforpres wrote:Considering how open the East is and how they have a real shot of making it out of it this year, I think Philly caves first.
They’ll be able to acquire real pieces to add to an already great roster that can push them above Milwaukee. I think he’s gone by February
Educator wrote:"Wasting Embiid's prime"
This is an illogical argument. If they can't get a player or players who move the needle in return for Simmons, there is no reason to trade him. Trading Simmons for players who improve the team marginally does not help them. Philly does not have to give in just because Simmons is throwing a hissy fit. What would actually waste Embiid's prime would be if they traded an All-Star and All-Defensive player in the beginning of his prime for expensive role players. That would ensure a mediocre future. There's also no indication that Embiid considers this to be a 'waste of his prime'. Considering his personality, he is probably enjoying this.
And I don't buy that Simmons's value is dropping. His value is what it is. Everyone knows what kind of player he is and what that's worth.
jokeboy86 wrote:What is this, Seinfeld now?
alexintoronto wrote:If Philly is allowed to fine him: Philly holds out longer
If not then Simmons does.
In the NBA do players injured long term get payed by the team or by insurance? If insurance reviews and refuses to pay because they don't think he's injured then should Simmons lose his salary / pay the fines until he plays?
Duke4life831 wrote:I think there are multiple issues coming from the Philly point of view.
1. The distraction. There is no denying this is a distraction for the team. Its basically the 1st thing anyone talks about when Philly gets brought up. That will become more and more of a drag for this team as time goes on.
2. You dont want to waste any prime years of Embiid. You have a MVP candidate who doesnt have the best history when it comes to health. You dont want to waste any of his prime seasons. Simmons is 30 million of wasted cap just sitting at home at the moment. That 30 million can be put to use and if youre trying to win a championship, every dollar needs to count.
The biggest issue from Ben's point of view.
If Morey chooses, he can drag this out for the next 4 years and Ben will take a massive hit financially because of it.
I think the most likely scenario is once December 15th comes around, we will start hearing trade talks start to really kick up. I also wont be shocked if behind doors the players and Doc start pressing Morey to make a move and to get the Simmons distraction away from them. Simmons will be traded sometime between December 15th and the trade deadline. I dont see Morey holding him till the summer.
mademan wrote:I just don’t see how this works out for philly. No team is gonna get desperate and think Ben Simmons is the panacea to their problems. That’s already happened and those were pick packages being offered and I don’t see that changing.
Like I don’t see a team thinking Ben Simmons can be built around at this point. He’s just too risky, on the court obviously but even off the court after this stunt. Who wants to be in the Ben Simmons business? No decent gm imo. Best you’re gonna find are teams who think he might be the missing piece to them winning not teams that want to trade their star for him
