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Posters last week lambasted me for picking on siakams defense.

Look at this ****, he's been doing this since last season too, pretty rough

I don't understand the hate. I really don't. His positioning on most of these plays is correct, it's just a lack of effort that's visible.
Why the lack off effort? Well let me see... maybe because he's coming back from a major injury/surgery and it's only his 5th game after a 6 month layoff? He's literally in pre-season mode right now, while the rest of the guys he's playing around/against have their legs under them and this is literally the point of the season where players are the "freshest"/healthiest. The guys that have been playing since training camp/preseason have their conditioning in check, Siakam who missed all of that obviously doesn't and it'll take him some time.

People love to hate this dude for no reason...
He was fine the first 4 games, had 2 consecutive good games before last night, but 1 bad performance and people jump on his ass like he's the sole reason we lost last night? Ha.
Been said over and over again... the praise for Siakam is never as loud as the slander.

"Hate" thats a big lol
"1 bad performance" - another lol

come one man, how can you type these things with a straight face.

good positioning? man are you ever out to lunch - hes slow to rotate, doesnt box out at all, look at the 11 second mark, he does a 360 to look around in place, doesnt put a body on anyone, ball actually bounces towards him and he still doesnt get the ball, then at the 14 second mark, he doesnt step up on the ball, doesnt recognize the shooter in the play is open, and actually steps away from the ball leaving Scottie to mark 2 people

at thee 22 second mark he gives no help and isnt on the shooter, literally a pilon

at the 35 second mark, he switches onto mitchell and does nothing to hound him, literally just backs up with arms down and gives up an easy shot

at 46 - ok fine, we can say joe ingles got away with a push --- or we can confirm once again how soft siakam is that joe ingles can bully him in the paint..

at 53 he is literally guarding NO ONE
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at 1 minute mark, again guarding no one, when his job is to be close to the big, because you know, literally no one is on his side of the court with the big man

1:13 mark - ok he did his job to clog the lane - 2 arms legnths away from anyone ... very useful

On almost all of the plays in this package there are other Raptors that also make glaring defensive mistakes lol.

First play: Siakam was caught overhelping close enough to Gobert under the rim while not giving too much space to both Ingles and Conley (because Flynn was in no man's land after Conley's initial drive) but did a decent job getting out to contest the Ingles 3.

Second play: what the heck is Scottie doing? Doubles O'Neale and leaves Bogdanovic WIDE open in the corner then barely even jogs for the fake contest

Third play: GTJ gambles for the steal rather than funneling Mitchell into the middle of the paint

Fourth play: bad defence from Siakam. Mitchell made a good read pulling up for that easy midrange jumper rather than trying to score over Siakam and Birch

Fifth play: Ingles pushes off a bit. Probably not a foul, but Siakam was caught in between defending the drive and the pass because Boucher died on the screen then didn't hustle back to cover Gobert

Sixth play: bad transition defence, but that isn't Siakam's fault at all. Siakam literally took a corner three from the far side 6 seconds before O'Neale made that 3. FVV unnecessarily doubled Bogdanovic. GTJ was in perfect position to guard Bogdanovic 1-on-1

Seventh play: literally just a great pass from Ingles. We could have had anyone defending that and there was no chance at stopping the pass or sealing off Gobert because of his screen that GTJ avoided entirely that opened up all of the space in the world on that side of the floor

Last play: Svi was way too far up on Ingles and died on the weakest screen. He made an effort to recover, but it was too late at that point and Siakam was caught in between defending the Ingles drive or Gobert on the pass. Another great pass from Ingles

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[Scott Hall]

The problem with Pascal is he's mentally soft not sure if he's always been like this or has just become like this
the last few years. I also I don't think he's passionate about Basketball I think he does it because his dad wanted
him to do it and he happened to be good at it but I think he's a Soccer guy.

After the Championship and getting the big contract I think he accomplished everything and goes through the
motions at times. The organization really needs to do something maybe get a sports psychologist because the red
flags we've seen for 2 years now aren't going away.

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Posters last week lambasted me for picking on siakams defense.

Look at this ****, he's been doing this since last season too, pretty rough

I don't understand the hate. I really don't. His positioning on most of these plays is correct, it's just a lack of effort that's visible.
Why the lack off effort? Well let me see... maybe because he's coming back from a major injury/surgery and it's only his 5th game after a 6 month layoff? He's literally in pre-season mode right now, while the rest of the guys he's playing around/against have their legs under them and this is literally the point of the season where players are the "freshest"/healthiest. The guys that have been playing since training camp/preseason have their conditioning in check, Siakam who missed all of that obviously doesn't and it'll take him some time.

People love to hate this dude for no reason...
He was fine the first 4 games, had 2 consecutive good games before last night, but 1 bad performance and people jump on his ass like he's the sole reason we lost last night? Ha.
Been said over and over again... the praise for Siakam is never as loud as the slander.

"Hate" thats a big lol
"1 bad performance" - another lol

come one man, how can you type these things with a straight face.

good positioning? man are you ever out to lunch - hes slow to rotate, doesnt box out at all, look at the 11 second mark, he does a 360 to look around in place, doesnt put a body on anyone, ball actually bounces towards him and he still doesnt get the ball, then at the 14 second mark, he doesnt step up on the ball, doesnt recognize the shooter in the play is open, and actually steps away from the ball leaving Scottie to mark 2 people

at thee 22 second mark he gives no help and isnt on the shooter, literally a pilon

at the 35 second mark, he switches onto mitchell and does nothing to hound him, literally just backs up with arms down and gives up an easy shot

at 46 - ok fine, we can say joe ingles got away with a push --- or we can confirm once again how soft siakam is that joe ingles can bully him in the paint..

at 53 he is literally guarding NO ONE
'
at 1 minute mark, again guarding no one, when his job is to be close to the big, because you know, literally no one is on his side of the court with the big man

1:13 mark - ok he did his job to clog the lane - 2 arms legnths away from anyone ... very useful

11 second mark - He looks back to see if O'Neal is gonna rush in for the rebound. You expect him to box him out O'Neal who is standing behind the arc? The ball is clearly much closer to Bogdanovic who is just quicker on his feet in that situation and just needs to tap the ball back.

22 second mark - He prevents Gobert from getting way ahead of Barnes for the easy deuce then pivots a bit to the corner to block off the passing lane for an O'Neal wide open 3. Re-watch this possession. Trent just makes a bad defensive play tryna go for the steal by reaching in from the back and completely gets dusted by Mitchell who has a wide open lane to the rim. Weird for you to blame Siakam on this possession.

35 second mark - This one I agree on. His lack of effort on full display with him not contesting the shot. Doesn't put his arms up. Bad defense.

46 second mark - Much better effort here. Hands up the entire time. Ingles just pushes off on Siakam to get himself a bit of space to get the shot off the glass.

53 second mark - This entire defensive sequence is a miscommunication/misreading by FVV & Trent, yet for whatever reason you're blaming Siakam for it? It was plain stupid for FVV to leave O'Neal wide open in the corner. Trent made a late recovery to Bogdanovic and was there to contest any potential shot.

1 minute mark - Right read. Prevents Ingles from driving to the lane but a bit slow on the feet and isn't able to shift back to Gobert in time.

1:13 mark - Switches onto Ingles to prevent a wide open 3 since Svi gets lost in the Gobert screen. The real WTF here is Boucher's defense. He sees Gobert with a open lane to the rim and doesn't bother putting a body on him. Then to make matters worse he gives him a weak shove from the back for which he should've been called for a foul and it should've been an And-1 for Gobert.

[Mikistan]

I don't understand the hate. I really don't. His positioning on most of these plays is correct, it's just a lack of effort that's visible.
Why the lack off effort? Well let me see... maybe because he's coming back from a major injury/surgery and it's only his 5th game after a 6 month layoff? He's literally in pre-season mode right now, while the rest of the guys he's playing around/against have their legs under them and this is literally the point of the season where players are the "freshest"/healthiest. The guys that have been playing since training camp/preseason have their conditioning in check, Siakam who missed all of that obviously doesn't and it'll take him some time.

People love to hate this dude for no reason...
He was fine the first 4 games, had 2 consecutive good games before last night, but 1 bad performance and people jump on his ass like he's the sole reason we lost last night? Ha.
Been said over and over again... the praise for Siakam is never as loud as the slander.

"Hate" thats a big lol
"1 bad performance" - another lol

come one man, how can you type these things with a straight face.

good positioning? man are you ever out to lunch - hes slow to rotate, doesnt box out at all, look at the 11 second mark, he does a 360 to look around in place, doesnt put a body on anyone, ball actually bounces towards him and he still doesnt get the ball, then at the 14 second mark, he doesnt step up on the ball, doesnt recognize the shooter in the play is open, and actually steps away from the ball leaving Scottie to mark 2 people

at thee 22 second mark he gives no help and isnt on the shooter, literally a pilon

at the 35 second mark, he switches onto mitchell and does nothing to hound him, literally just backs up with arms down and gives up an easy shot

at 46 - ok fine, we can say joe ingles got away with a push --- or we can confirm once again how soft siakam is that joe ingles can bully him in the paint..

at 53 he is literally guarding NO ONE
'
at 1 minute mark, again guarding no one, when his job is to be close to the big, because you know, literally no one is on his side of the court with the big man

1:13 mark - ok he did his job to clog the lane - 2 arms legnths away from anyone ... very useful

On almost all of the plays in this package there are other Raptors that also make glaring defensive mistakes lol.

First play: Siakam was caught overhelping close enough to Gobert under the rim while not giving too much space to both Ingles and Conley (because Flynn was in no man's land after Conley's initial drive) but did a decent job getting out to contest the Ingles 3.
both flynn and siakam are in no mands land - at least flynn has the decency to PUT A BODY on Gobert while he is down there - Siakam isnt putting a body on anyone, nor is he on a shooter. And i disagree that he did a decent job contesting

Second play: what the heck is Scottie doing? Doubles O'Neale and leaves Bogdanovic WIDE open in the corner then barely even jogs for the fake contest
scottie doesnt "double" oneale, he closes out on oneale because siakam isnt guarding oneale, then siakam doesnt rotate or motion to scottie to go to the corner shooter, so its siakam hanging scottie out to dry on two guys when he isnt even contesting oneale himself --- i do agree tho, this would have been avoided if scottie actually boxed out on the shot instead of standing in the paint - but siakam also doesnt crash the boards on the initial miss...

Third play: GTJ gambles for the steal rather than funneling Mitchell into the middle of the paint
ya and lets put some blame on scottie for not contesting, but scottie is also worrying about gobert, siakam just standing still not helping anyone or communicating

Fourth play: bad defence from Siakam. Mitchell made a good read pulling up for that easy midrange jumper rather than trying to score over Siakam and Birch
agree mitchell is just better

Fifth play: Ingles pushes off a bit. Probably not a foul, but Siakam was caught in between defending the drive and the pass because Boucher died on the screen then didn't hustle back to cover Gobert
boucher does die on the screen - but looks like siakam didnt call the screen out so boucher was surprised -- also, look how far back siakam is on that pick from gobert - ingles is at the 3pt line coming off the screena nd siakam is at the free throw line -- this is the 2nd quarter - so why isn't Siakam following the game plan to blitch the ball handler on the screen? why is he pulling a jonas impression so far back and not stepping up? is siakam scared he will get blown by off the dribble by joe ingles so hes giving space? well jokes on him he still gets beat by joe ingles even with space - and everything after boucher got the screen regarding running back to cover gobert is a moot point because joe isnt faking to gobert to finish and siakam isnt worrying abotu gobert either hes just getting beat

Sixth play: bad transition defence, but that isn't Siakam's fault at all. Siakam literally took a corner three from the far side 6 seconds before O'Neale made that 3. FVV unnecessarily doubled Bogdanovic. GTJ was in perfect position to guard Bogdanovic 1-on-1
agree FVV is at fault, but thats a pretty lax jog to close out from siakam considering he wasnt guarding anyone in the first place

Seventh play: literally just a great pass from Ingles. We could have had anyone defending that and there was no chance at stopping the pass or sealing off Gobert because of his screen that GTJ avoided entirely that opened up all of the space in the world on that side of the floor
its an easy pass from ingles because Siakam is in no mans land, committed to neither guy - look at 1:00 mark, GTJ is getting screened by gobert and Siakam isnt anywhere close to joe or gobert, so what is he taking away.. a joe ingles dribble drive - not a good decision

Last play: Svi was way too far up on Ingles and died on the weakest screen. He made an effort to recover, but it was too late at that point and Siakam was caught in between defending the Ingles drive or Gobert on the pass. Another great pass from Ingles
again, siakam isnt taking away either option - either blitz the ball handler or stick to the roller - if you are telling me its Boucher's job to leave a guy wide open at the 3pt line to go on Gobert then maybe you are right because Nurse likes to do that, and then everyone else has to keep rotating

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thank you for the analysis, i agree that scottie and svi and other guys are also making mistakes - ive responded to each play above in red font, i dont think siakam is off the hook in all situations tho

[TRik]

We’re still ‘incorporating’ PS who, at times, looks like he forgot how to play or fluidly move. We’re also still without Precious and OG and we’re again playing against a team that should beat us up on the inside. This is not an easy W. If I was betting I’d say Kings by 5 or more but I’m still cheering for a win.

[Los_29]

Another L. Would the kings trade fox for Siakam? Wishful thinking maybe they include Bagley too?

Even the Kings can't be that stupid.

You mean the Raptors? I'm being serious here, has Fox ever made the playoffs?

[Bruin]

Another L. Would the kings trade fox for Siakam? Wishful thinking maybe they include Bagley too?

Even the Kings can't be that stupid.

You mean the Raptors? I'm being serious here, has Fox ever made the playoffs?

Lmfao you’d be insane to not take a Fox for Siakam deal

[C_Money]

Probably gonna get torched from 3 again

[AbC?]

Friday night, 10PM start! Nothing better to do!

[Los_29]

Even the Kings can't be that stupid.

You mean the Raptors? I'm being serious here, has Fox ever made the playoffs?

Lmfao you’d be insane to not take a Fox for Siakam deal

Do you think Masai would take that deal? I don't.

[Bruin]

You mean the Raptors? I'm being serious here, has Fox ever made the playoffs?

Lmfao you’d be insane to not take a Fox for Siakam deal

Do you think Masai would take that deal? I don't.

Pretty sure Masai would gladly take that deal. Unfortunately Sacramento isn’t quite that stupid

[ruckus]

Speaking of Kings, wasnt there a poster with a name like "Terence Davis future superstar", saying how it was a mistake for Masai to get rid of him? The guy is averaging 4 pts on less than 40% from the field.....

Dealing with ankle injury I think.

Terence or the poster?

[will]

Even the Kings can't be that stupid.

You mean the Raptors? I'm being serious here, has Fox ever made the playoffs?

Lmfao you’d be insane to not take a Fox for Siakam deal

As the resident PSizzle stan on this board, I personally would encourage Masai to make that deal.

Again, the Kings can't be that stupid...right?

Is Vlade still running the Kings these days? If he is...Masai and Bobby may want to give him a shout.

[will]

Friday night, 10PM start! Nothing better to do!

Wait. Who the hell took that picture of me?!?!?!

[will]

Well, I see that we have all gathered here once again to be sad at 10:00 PM EST or 7:00 PM PST for our west coast homies.

[will]

Won't be the least bit shocked if the Kings completely blow the Raptors out tonight.




PAUSE.


Pause.

[Hero]

Kings look favoured even if they are just 2-4 at home.
Might be one to turn off at half time.

[Mikistan]

Kings look favoured even if they are just 2-4 at home.
Might be one to turn off at half time.

The comeback starts now, the road to 500 runs through Sacramento

[Los_29]

Lmfao you’d be insane to not take a Fox for Siakam deal

Do you think Masai would take that deal? I don't.

Pretty sure Masai would gladly take that deal. Unfortunately Sacramento isn’t quite that stupid

Sacramento is one of the stupidest franchises in the history of this league.

And no, I really don't think Masai would take that deal. Do you think Fox's game fits what this team is trying to accomplish? Do you think he is a good defender? If you guys hate FVV, I can't imagine how much you guys would hate Fox.

"When Fox was on the court last season, the Kings’ defensive rating (per 100 possessions) soared to a whopping 118, two points worse than the previously recorded worst in history. When Fox was off the court, the team’s rating was rated 10th overall in the league at 111.8."

Doesn't seem like a Masai type player right there.

[alpngso]

Do you think Masai would take that deal? I don't.

Pretty sure Masai would gladly take that deal. Unfortunately Sacramento isn’t quite that stupid

Sacramento is one of the stupidest franchises in the history of this league.

And no, I really don't think Masai would take that deal. Do you think Fox's game fits what this team is trying to accomplish? Do you think he is a good defender? If you guys hate FVV, I can't imagine how much you guys would hate Fox.

"When Fox was on the court last season, the Kings’ defensive rating (per 100 possessions) soared to a whopping 118, two points worse than the previously recorded worst in history. When Fox was off the court, the team’s rating was rated 10th overall in the league at 111.8."

Doesn't seem like a Masai type player right there.

dude cannot shoot from 3 and with more physical play and refs holding their whistle, Fox has definitely not benefitted