Enes Kanter shoes in tonight’s game had LeBron bowing to China.

[LAL1947]

MLKj sacrificed. What has Kanter sacrificed? Nothing at all. It’s easy to talk when you have nothing on the line. He is still collecting NBA checks. Wearing Nikes.

I'm not comparing Kanter to MLK. Only saying he's made more genuine stands for people's lives, freedoms, rights than Lebron has... and in doing so, he's closer to MLK than Lebron "you're not educated on the situation" James is.

Outside of tweeting, what has Kanter done that was of any risk to him personally?

What has Kanter done that can even compare to Lebron's I Promise School?

To answer this question would need me to delve deeper into politics, and we are not allowed to go down that rabbit-hole here. Especially if I had to compare the plight of those that Kanter is standing up for (the Uyghurs, Tibetans, etc)... with the social justice/racism issues that Lebron stands for, most of which (but not all) I consider farcical. AFAIC, Kanter takes a stand for people who are actually downtrodden... and against governments/systems that are actually oppressive... who could actually retaliate against him... and that's all I will say.

By the way, when you say Lebron's I Promise School... do you mean the school that Lebron's foundation is providing 25% of the funding (with money obtained from donors, such as Harvey Weinstein, and not 25% of Lebron's money)... while Akron's taxpayers are funding the other 75%?

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/08/whos_paying_for_lebron_james_n_1.html

[DroseReturnChi]

He is right. If Kanter has an issue with what Lebron said, speak to him man to man. Don't be an attention whore.

why would kanter waste his time with lebron when hes a puppet of china? hes not going to speak with dictators even if they are billionaires. hes renouncing them in a peaceful way should get nobel peace prize. kanter has risked his life to become a savior of billions. this isnt even politics hes literally acting like human level god getting persecuted and sacrificed. one of the most genuine guys in nba he will probably be traveling 200 countries in his 30s and become a powerful leader.

[Ckay]

Can soomeone post the tweet? I can't see the one in the op on the realgm app.

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Use Tapatalk app. lol

edit* Only works if it post with Tapatalk app. Terrible

[xAIRNESSx]

Trying to a guilt/embarrass someone into doing what you want is the lazy person's strategy.

I don't have much respect for Kanter here.

[Lockdown504090]

I respect Kanter for speaking out against China, but so weird that he's singling out LeBron. He has teammates with Nike deals.

It is pretty clear why. LeBron was the one that stood up for China during the Morey situation and he wants to come off as a social justice warrior. Of course that is only when it doesn't impact his pocket book.

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I mean Nike singled out lebron by giving him a gigantic facility named after him, and lebron is the one who carried the flag for player empowerment for 10 years, and lebron is the one whos spoken up about social issues that dont affect his pocket the loudest. Maybe he should call out all the nike atheltes, but if he was to single someone out..... there isnt really a better option.


If LeBron spoke out and Nike was forced to drop him, it would cause an international crapstorm that could actually basketball fans who follow bron to stop buying nike stuff. I personally know of one aau team that took the Under armor deal instead of nike because of this stuff. I might be underestimating his reach but nike dropping lebron could actually cause a change.... and eventually make him even more money. If lebron was the catalyst for the world ending a death camp, He has to be one of the 5 greatest athletes of all time and goes above Ali to me in terms of cultural and social impact

[bebopdeluxe]

I'm not comparing Kanter to MLK. Only saying he's made more genuine stands for people's lives, freedoms, rights than Lebron has... and in doing so, he's closer to MLK than Lebron "you're not educated on the situation" James is.

Outside of tweeting, what has Kanter done that was of any risk to him personally?

What has Kanter done that can even compare to Lebron's I Promise School?

To answer this question would need me to delve deep into politics, and I do not want to go down that rabbit-hole on a b-ball forum. Especially if I had to compare the plight of those that Kanter is standing up for (the Uyghurs, Tibetans, etc)... with the social justice/racism issues that Lebron stands up for, most of which (but not all) I consider farcical. AFAIC, Kanter takes a stand for people who are actually downtrodden... and against governments/systems that are actually oppressive... and that's the difference.

By the way, when you say Lebron's I Promise School... do you mean the school that Lebron's foundation is providing 25% of the funding (with money obtained from donors, such as Harvey Weinstein, not 25% of Lebron's money)... while Akron's taxpayers are funding the other 75%?

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/08/whos_paying_for_lebron_james_n_1.html

I think you are right. The issues that Kanter has been talking about are significantly bigger than helping to building a school (as nice as that is). And I am sure that LeBron does do good things through his foundation. But issues like Hong Knog, the Uyghurs, Tibetans and other oppressed minorities are not sexy causes - and taking on the Turkish or Chinese governments is a whole 'nother level of activism. The victims of these government activities often get killed. The people who speak out against these governments often "disappear" (WHERE IS PENG SHUAI?). Just because Enes Kanter is not as famous as LeBron James doesn't mean that his voice has no power. It has more power than my voice has. He is willing to risk what he does have - which is a decent life making a fair amount of money to PLAY BASKETBALL - to speak out about these things. He has my respect for that.

OK. Back to basketball.

[pro24]

MLKj sacrificed. What has Kanter sacrificed? Nothing at all. It’s easy to talk when you have nothing on the line. He is still collecting NBA checks. Wearing Nikes.

I'm not comparing Kanter to MLK. Only saying he's made more genuine stands for people's lives, freedoms, rights than Lebron has... and in doing so, he's closer to MLK than Mr. "you're not educated on the situation" James is.

You are crazy right? Lebron has done more for his community than Kanter ever had. What on earth has Kanter done?

Lebron actually done something to help people: https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/what-lebron-james-charity

And if Kanter is so genuine, why does he play in a league that earns millions in China? Why doesn't he take a stand and leave like Kaepernick?

I don't think you are educated on the situation at hand. I believe you are misinformed.

LeDiabetes has has shilled sugary drinks, fatty, carby foods to "his community" and it wouldn't be hyperbole to suggest that his backing of these mass death products have lead to well... mass deaths.

LeBron only takes a side when it helps his pocket. These Orwellian identitarian woke movements are backed by large corporations, and the authoritarians in government because they divide us and distract us from the real enemy.

His hypocrisy is illuminated with the China stuff.

Lebron is a classic corporatist, politician with no soul. He doesn't give one flying F about "his community".

[Pablo Escobar]

China runs the world now unfortunately. The Uyghurs will basically be wiped out and it'll all be swept under the carpet. Might get a few strongly worded tweets/press releases but that's as far as it will go.

[Lockdown504090]

I'm not comparing Kanter to MLK. Only saying he's made more genuine stands for people's lives, freedoms, rights than Lebron has... and in doing so, he's closer to MLK than Lebron "you're not educated on the situation" James is.

Outside of tweeting, what has Kanter done that was of any risk to him personally?

What has Kanter done that can even compare to Lebron's I Promise School?

To answer this question would need me to delve deep into politics, and we are not allowed to go down that rabbit-hole here. Especially if I had to compare the plight of those that Kanter is standing up for (the Uyghurs, Tibetans, etc)... with the social justice issues that Lebron speaks about, with most of these issues (but not all) being farcical. AFAIC, Kanter takes a stand for people who are actually downtrodden... and against governments/systems that are actually oppressive... who could actually retaliate against him... and that's all I will say.

By the way, when you say Lebron's I Promise School... do you mean the school that Lebron's foundation is providing 25% of the funding (with money obtained from donors, such as Harvey Weinstein, and not 25% of Lebron's money)... while Akron's taxpayers are funding the other 75%?

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/08/whos_paying_for_lebron_james_n_1.html

lebron paying 25 percent for a public building and finessing the middle/upper class to pay for a school that helps poor kids is a pretty big W in my book. I think people just dont like that he feels the need to take credit for it.

I will say this though.... I FULLY believe there are people at nike who are giving LBJ the most articulate propaganda of how this is a two sided issue and that the nazi camps in china might not even be a real thing, so I get why he seems to stay out of it.

[Mickey8]

I wonder if Kanter would be so loud if it was the Christians ,Jews or some other religious group instead of Muslims, I doubt it . Also we don't know with the certainty that there is a war and the genocide against Muslims in China, we hear that from the Western mainstream media, and we know those networks spread propaganda more than anybody in the world and they are in cahoots with CIA, Pentagon etc. As far I know they might be fabricating those news and stories because USA is in the economic race with China. And they always try to demonize anyone who is the threat to their expansion in the world, they love propaganda wars, USA is the master of propaganda .

[xAIRNESSx]

I know there's a lot of LeBron hate in general but it's kind of astonishing that he's the only athlete that get's crap for not speaking out against China.

For like the last 10 years, he's probably been the most outspoken major North American athlete on social issues as a whole.

[Mephariel]

Outside of tweeting, what has Kanter done that was of any risk to him personally?

What has Kanter done that can even compare to Lebron's I Promise School?

To answer this question would need me to delve deep into politics, and I do not want to go down that rabbit-hole on a b-ball forum. Especially if I had to compare the plight of those that Kanter is standing up for (the Uyghurs, Tibetans, etc)... with the social justice/racism issues that Lebron stands up for, most of which (but not all) I consider farcical. AFAIC, Kanter takes a stand for people who are actually downtrodden... and against governments/systems that are actually oppressive... and that's the difference.

By the way, when you say Lebron's I Promise School... do you mean the school that Lebron's foundation is providing 25% of the funding (with money obtained from donors, such as Harvey Weinstein, not 25% of Lebron's money)... while Akron's taxpayers are funding the other 75%?

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/08/whos_paying_for_lebron_james_n_1.html

I think you are right. The issues that Kanter has been talking about are significantly bigger than helping to building a school (as nice as that is). And I am sure that LeBron does do good things through his foundation. But issues like Hong Knog, the Uyghurs, Tibetans and other oppressed minorities are not sexy causes - and taking on the Turkish or Chinese governments is a whole 'nother level of activism. The victims of these government activities often get killed. The people who speak out against these governments often "disappear" (WHERE IS PENG SHUAI?). Just because Enes Kanter is not as famous as LeBron James doesn't mean that his voice has no power. It has more power than my voice has. He is willing to risk what he does have - which is a decent life making a fair amount of money to PLAY BASKETBALL - to speak out about these things. He has my respect for that.

OK. Back to basketball.

Talking. That is what Kanter did. Lebron did the doing.

That is true on the court and off the court.

[theforumblue]

He doesn't really care of LeBron responds. Win win for him either way as far as attention goes.

LeBron shouldn't have said anything 2 yrs ago. Showed ignorance about just the situation in China itself, let alone forming an actual informed take on it.

Nothing wrong with what kanter is doing. Hypocrisy all over the place when it comes to China anyways.

[bebopdeluxe]

Outside of tweeting, what has Kanter done that was of any risk to him personally?

What has Kanter done that can even compare to Lebron's I Promise School?

To answer this question would need me to delve deep into politics, and we are not allowed to go down that rabbit-hole here. Especially if I had to compare the plight of those that Kanter is standing up for (the Uyghurs, Tibetans, etc)... with the social justice issues that Lebron speaks about, with most of these issues (but not all) being farcical. AFAIC, Kanter takes a stand for people who are actually downtrodden... and against governments/systems that are actually oppressive... who could actually retaliate against him... and that's all I will say.

By the way, when you say Lebron's I Promise School... do you mean the school that Lebron's foundation is providing 25% of the funding (with money obtained from donors, such as Harvey Weinstein, and not 25% of Lebron's money)... while Akron's taxpayers are funding the other 75%?

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/08/whos_paying_for_lebron_james_n_1.html

lebron paying 25 percent for a public building and finessing the middle/upper class to pay for a school that helps poor kids is a pretty big W in my book. I think people just dont like that he feels the need to take credit for it.

I will say this though.... I FULLY believe there are people at nike who are giving LBJ the most articulate propaganda of how this is a two sided issue and that the nazi camps in china might not even be a real thing, so I get why he seems to stay out of it.

If I read this correctly, LeBron's "foundation" is paying 25% for the school. Unless the foundation is 100% LeBron's money (which it probably isn't), LeBron himself didn't pay 25% of that school's costs.

It is still a good thing the foundation did, though.

[Mephariel]

I'm not comparing Kanter to MLK. Only saying he's made more genuine stands for people's lives, freedoms, rights than Lebron has... and in doing so, he's closer to MLK than Mr. "you're not educated on the situation" James is.

You are crazy right? Lebron has done more for his community than Kanter ever had. What on earth has Kanter done?

Lebron actually done something to help people: https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/what-lebron-james-charity

And if Kanter is so genuine, why does he play in a league that earns millions in China? Why doesn't he take a stand and leave like Kaepernick?

I don't think you are educated on the situation at hand. I believe you are misinformed.

LeDiabetes has has shilled sugary drinks, fatty, carby foods to "his community" and it wouldn't be hyperbole to suggest that his backing of these mass death products have lead to well... mass deaths.

LeBron only takes a side when it helps his pocket. These Orwellian identitarian woke movements are backed by large corporations, and the authoritarians in government because they divide us and distract us from the real enemy.

His hypocrisy is illuminated with the China stuff.

Lebron is a classic corporatist, politician with no soul. He doesn't give one flying F about "his community".

And he still did more for this community than Kanter ever did. Think about that for a second.

[twyzted]

MLKj sacrificed. What has Kanter sacrificed? Nothing at all. It’s easy to talk when you have nothing on the line. He is still collecting NBA checks. Wearing Nikes.

I'm not comparing Kanter to MLK. Only saying he's made more genuine stands for people's lives, freedoms, rights than Lebron has... and in doing so, he's closer to MLK than Lebron "you're not educated on the situation" James is.

Outside of tweeting, what has Kanter done that was of any risk to him personally?

What has Kanter done that can even compare to Lebron's I Promise School?

Spoken against the turkish government, lost his nationality, was arrested in romania and faced extradition to turkey, cant be in contact with his family, cant travel to europe because of threat being arrested and sent to turkey or worse.

He is going to open a school in okc.

[bebopdeluxe]

To answer this question would need me to delve deep into politics, and I do not want to go down that rabbit-hole on a b-ball forum. Especially if I had to compare the plight of those that Kanter is standing up for (the Uyghurs, Tibetans, etc)... with the social justice/racism issues that Lebron stands up for, most of which (but not all) I consider farcical. AFAIC, Kanter takes a stand for people who are actually downtrodden... and against governments/systems that are actually oppressive... and that's the difference.

By the way, when you say Lebron's I Promise School... do you mean the school that Lebron's foundation is providing 25% of the funding (with money obtained from donors, such as Harvey Weinstein, not 25% of Lebron's money)... while Akron's taxpayers are funding the other 75%?

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/08/whos_paying_for_lebron_james_n_1.html

I think you are right. The issues that Kanter has been talking about are significantly bigger than helping to building a school (as nice as that is). And I am sure that LeBron does do good things through his foundation. But issues like Hong Knog, the Uyghurs, Tibetans and other oppressed minorities are not sexy causes - and taking on the Turkish or Chinese governments is a whole 'nother level of activism. The victims of these government activities often get killed. The people who speak out against these governments often "disappear" (WHERE IS PENG SHUAI?). Just because Enes Kanter is not as famous as LeBron James doesn't mean that his voice has no power. It has more power than my voice has. He is willing to risk what he does have - which is a decent life making a fair amount of money to PLAY BASKETBALL - to speak out about these things. He has my respect for that.

OK. Back to basketball.

Talking. That is what Kanter did. Lebron did the doing.

That is true on the court and off the court.

Using one's voice to shine a light on the potentially murderous activities of autocratic regimes against persecuted minorities is the kind of stuff that gets activists killed.

This is why politics and social issues should NEVER be on the GB.

[thebigbird]

I know there's a lot of LeBron hate in general but it's kind of astonishing that he's the only athlete that get's crap for not speaking out against China.

For like the last 10 years, he's probably been the most outspoken major North American athlete on social issues as a whole.

That’s why he gets crap for China. The people criticizing him for the china situation don’t like that he’s been speaking out on US social issues for the past 10 years. I don’t want to get into a political debate here, but if you look at the biggest LeBron critics regarding China, you’ll see the pattern.

[DroseReturnChi]

Wow. This is next level.

A bit disappointed in Enes. Theres a lot of ways he could have gotten that message across that strongly without going at the man like that.
There's a lot of nuance around this situation... not everyone has the same type of courage that Enes has, nor should they be expected to be. Also, not all situations are the same, especially when we consider things like safety.

ngl tho man its gotten my interest. I'm glad someone's finally speaking about the situation itself. I'm disappointed in the way its being packaged.

how is it being disappointing when china is taking over the world forcefully?
he knows if he keeps blind eye for another decade, humanity will fall as evidenced by chinas threat of trade war. most americans take their freedom for granted too much they dont deserve the privilege they are getting when kanter is literally the final bastion of hope. enes is risking his life but hes risking either way if he remains silent he will get oppressed eventually. hes already lost his home country once.

[Mickey8]

Wow. This is next level.

A bit disappointed in Enes. Theres a lot of ways he could have gotten that message across that strongly without going at the man like that.
There's a lot of nuance around this situation... not everyone has the same type of courage that Enes has, nor should they be expected to be. Also, not all situations are the same, especially when we consider things like safety.

ngl tho man its gotten my interest. I'm glad someone's finally speaking about the situation itself. I'm disappointed in the way its being packaged.

how is it being disappointing when china is taking over the world forcefully?
he knows if he keeps blind eye for another decade, humanity will fall as evidenced by chinas threat of trade war. most americans take their freedom for granted too much they dont deserve the privilege they are getting when kanter is literally the final bastion of hope.
enes is risking his life but hes risking either way if he remains silent he will get oppressed eventually.

Who did they bomb, which country did they wreck in the last 30, 40 years