Enes Kanter shoes in tonight’s game had LeBron bowing to China.

KGtabake · Post #161 » by **KGtabake** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:03 am

It's pretty obvious to me that enough posters here don't really know what Kanter's been through the last few years.

"What kanter has to lose"?

Really? Kanter's family members were imprisoned in Turkey because he was going after the Turkish government.
He cannot return to his country because there's a chance we won't hear anything for him ever again (just like with the chinese tennis player).
Kanter has already lost the right to return to his country smh

The guy is as active as anyone can be when it comes to politics, social issues, environmental issues. His social media are full of posts about refugees, about social rights in any country he sees they are not respected. He even posts his worries and condolences about fires that burn people's homes in summer time.

I don't like the shoes. I think he could have done it in a more discreet way and still pass his message.
I fully agree with him and anyone that says that LeBron was humiliated with the china tweet about Morey.
But it wasn't a surprise for me because i knew that 99% of athletes, don't have a clue about what's going on in the world and they don't really care. That's why the "more than an athlete" quotes are not to be taken way too seriously.

Aldo. There is a post on this thread (I won't quote because i don't want to single him out) that goes like this "why should LeBron care since it's not his country".

You(that posted the above) my friend need to question yourself this:
By your logic, me and anyone who's not American should not care at all about Floyd or whoever victim of racial discrimination because it didn't happen on our country.
If that's the case for you, cool.
For me it isn't.
And if you choose to be active on social issues you should do it for people all over the world.
Otherwise you can't be more than an athlete since you are supposed to be an international icon and inspiration.

Last but not least. Those of you that think that Kanter's career is over and that's why he's seeking attention. If kanter decided to leave US tomorrow and play in Europe, he would have gotten the highest contract on the continent on a team that would probably be better than the bottom of the NBA.
Also, if he wasn't so anti China, he could have gone there and gather checks that he wouldn't find in the NBA.
Do you see him care about that?

Tracymcgoaty · Post #162 » by **Tracymcgoaty** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:06 am

MrBigShot wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:
Country, family, safety. Kanter's family essentially can't associate with him for their own safety. Kanter has literally refused to leave the country (London when the Knicks went there for example) for fear of being murdered or arrested. He's sacrificed a lot and put a target on his head. Not a we don't like this guy target either, his life is potentially in danger if he travels outside of the US. And as far as the NBA goes, teams certainly view any off the court distraction as negative so he's not doing himself any favors there.

LeBron has done a lot of good for social causes but he can't really say anything in this situation, because he knows Kanter is correct and the best LeBron can do is feign ignorance.

But why is he singling out Lebron when it comes to NBA's involvements with China? Lebron doesn't broker deals .Kanter is playing for a team who's part of an association in partnership with China. Kanter has nothing to lose by doing this. Dude even went to Silver and asked if he was breaking any rules and Silver said no. So there are no consequences. What would happen if he accused the NBA?

What exactly is he risking right now? What is Xi Jinping gonna send an assassins to take him out at an NBA game?

With the bold you are asking if his life is in danger as of this moment, and the answer is no. But the question I answered asked what he sacrificed.

As to why he singled out LeBron, I think it's a fair criticism (since Kanter's teammates also have Nike deals) and comes down to 2 reasons: he hates LeBron, and LeBron is one of the faces of Nike.

Have no problem with Kanter criticizing Lebron. However i think if you're criticizing Lebron you are willfully ignoring the bigger picture you're trying to fight against.

Mickey8 · Post #163 » by **Mickey8** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:07 am

LAL1947 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:USA wrecked all those countries, by bombing, they overthrown different regimes and they nstalled their own people to rule those countries , their proxies, they literally occupied Iraq and Afghanistan , they had forces in Syria, the USA military is present in the entire Middle East region. Please don't start with Tibet, China have historic ties with Tibet , Chinese people live and have lived in that region too. What are those five countries that China have wrecked in the last 30 years, please show me freaking example.

China has no historic ties with Tibet or the Tibetan race, except for the fact that they took over Tibet for military reasons (one of which was to have geographical control over the rivers that feed their rice plains), oppressed their people, destroyed their temples and buildings, and made the Tibetans flee as refugees to India and other neighboring countries.

Sorry @Mods, I'm trying not to engage in political convos... but historical lies must be pointed out.

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LAL1947 · Post #164 » by **LAL1947** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:16 am

Mickey8 wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:USA wrecked all those countries, by bombing, they overthrown different regimes and they nstalled their own people to rule those countries , their proxies, they literally occupied Iraq and Afghanistan , they had forces in Syria, the USA military is present in the entire Middle East region. Please don't start with Tibet, China have historic ties with Tibet , Chinese people live and have lived in that region too. What are those five countries that China have wrecked in the last 30 years, please show me freaking example.

China has no historic ties with Tibet or the Tibetan race, except for the fact that they took over Tibet for military reasons (one of which was to have geographical control over the rivers that feed their rice plains), oppressed their people, destroyed their temples and buildings, and made the Tibetans flee as refugees to India and other neighboring countries.

Sorry @Mods, I'm trying not to engage in political convos... but historical lies must be pointed out.

Watch on YouTube

Cripes. You're obviously a troll or someone who is personally/emotionally invested or connected to China. I'm half-expecting you to follow up this piece of Chinese-sponsored propaganda by breaking out into a "hail Chairman Mao" or "hail President Xi" (depending on who you prefer) at any moment. Do you really believe China "freed Tibetans from slavery" as the video claims... by killing 1.2 million Tibetans and driving the rest out as refugees to other countries, where they still reside? There are also documented videos of the Chinese military destroying Tibetan Buddhist temples and anything of cultural significance, because they'd like the world to think Buddhism originated in China and because Chairman Mao and his party was the "god" of China at that time. If China's goal was to "liberate" the Tibetans, then why has China not given them their country back after more than 60 years have passed and the Tibetans still do not accept Chinese rule?

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Dupp · Post #165 » by **Dupp** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:26 am

1) Hes always had some weird thing with lebron

2) They look more like bowling shoes

3) I like kanter and respect his stance and views on things. Hes been going at lebron a bit over this.

righterwriter · Post #166 » by **righterwriter** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:41 am

Mickey8 wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:USA wrecked all those countries, by bombing, they overthrown different regimes and they nstalled their own people to rule those countries , their proxies, they literally occupied Iraq and Afghanistan , they had forces in Syria, the USA military is present in the entire Middle East region. Please don't start with Tibet, China have historic ties with Tibet , Chinese people live and have lived in that region too. What are those five countries that China have wrecked in the last 30 years, please show me freaking example.

China has no historic ties with Tibet or the Tibetan race, except for the fact that they took over Tibet for military reasons (one of which was to have geographical control over the rivers that feed their rice plains), oppressed their people, destroyed their temples and buildings, and made the Tibetans flee as refugees to India and other neighboring countries.

Sorry @Mods, I'm trying not to engage in political convos... but historical lies must be pointed out.

Watch on YouTube

It blew my mind reading about Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, a person a poster briefly brought up yesterday.

Nyima was the next in line to be, in layman's terms, the second most spiritual leader of Tibetian Buddhism. He was selected to take this role by elders who believed he held the reincarnated spirit of the Living Buddha inside of him.

In 1995, the Communist Chinese government abducted Nyima and his family, and have kept him hidden away ever since. Nyima was six years old at the time of his kidnapping.

The government then took the step of appointing their own spiritual leader, a proxy for them to control.

You can learn more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedhun_Choekyi_Nyima
Short video report:

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Longer video report:

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This is just one of the monstrous crimes against human rights that the Communist Chinese government has committed in plain sight. There are many, many other events ranging from:

Mao Zedong's killing of up to 65 million Chinese, through concentration camps, forced famine, and streetside executions https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder

The Tianamen Square massacre of 1989 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

The Hong Kong Protests of 2019: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Hong_Kong_protests

The Uyghyur Genocide happening now, which has 1 million people in concentration camps as you read this (which is what Kanter is bringing attention to): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

Lebron is either incredibly ignorant of Chinese crimes against humanity or chooses to support the Chinese government regardless of what they have done and are doing currently.

So when you decide to defend Lebron, because you like him as a basketball player or think he deserves a free pass on defending an absolutely evil government like China, just think of all the above.

Frankly, if you care, not just about the people in China, Tibet, or Hong Kong, but also Taiwan (next on the list for China) and the free world in general, think about what you are buying before you spend your money on Nikes or other apparel made in China. You might save a few bucks today, but you'll pay dearly in the future for supporting a murderous force like the Chinese government.

bamheat · Post #167 » by **bamheat** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:45 am

rich athlete being mad at another rich athlete for being...rich.

So progressive, so inspirational....wow!

lars_rosenberg · Post #168 » by **lars_rosenberg** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:50 am

azcatz11 wrote:
OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:Not sure if already posted, if so mods please merge/delete. I looked and didn’t see a thread page 1 or 2, but maybe I missed it. This is definitely an interesting situation brewing between these two currently.

Read on Twitter

Most of us are sick of Lebron at this point. He’s just a huge hypocrite. I’m glad Kanter had the balls to do that

I agree, and while I am not sure Kanter political views (Gulen etc.) are good, I respect his efforts of spreading information about human right violations.
LeBron and the NBA are doing China's game, they are ignoring people's oppression in exchange for money.
Kanter is going against this.

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #169 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:59 am

bbalnation wrote:Wow. This is next level.

A bit disappointed in Enes. Theres a lot of ways he could have gotten that message across that strongly without going at the man like that.
There's a lot of nuance around this situation... not everyone has the same type of courage that Enes has, nor should they be expected to be. Also, not all situations are the same, especially when we consider things like safety.

ngl tho man its gotten my interest. I'm glad someone's finally speaking about the situation itself. I'm disappointed in the way its being packaged.

I do think Kanter’s shoes are a great way to show LeBron’s (and many other people’s, including the NBA) hypocrisy. They only speak about crowd-approved social issues while pandering and being in association with a regime that bans movies for having certain actors in them or a gay kiss in them.

I do respect your slightly contrasting opinion, though. And the respectful manner in which you wrote it

Jkam31 · Post #170 » by **Jkam31** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:08 am

D.Brasco wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:I respect Kanter for speaking out against China, but so weird that he's singling out LeBron. He has teammates with Nike deals.

People always come at the King.

That fake social justice warrior told Morey to shut up and GM that’s why

Jkam31 · Post #171 » by **Jkam31** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:12 am

thebigbird wrote:China is just a red herring by LeBron haters to detract from his social justice work. How many people criticizing him are typing their criticisms out on devices manufactured by slave labor in China?

His social justice work :lol:

Embarrassing

DaddyCool19 · Post #172 » by **DaddyCool19** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:24 am

MambaVenom24 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:
MambaVenom24 wrote:I absolutely despise Enes Kanter the basketball player, he is a below average nba player by all standards, sometimes thuggish behaviour on the court, if there is a melee he is always there to instigate it, I am in no way a fan he is a role player.

That being said I have to say kudos to him for his approach and the way he singled out one of the biggest hypocrites to ever lace them up --> also he should have done it when the whole morey lebron saga began, but good for him for sticking it to the social justice warrior wannabe. **** china and their supporters ...

He already made million of dollars, his career is going rapidly down to the toilet, the only way he can draw some attention to himself is to act like se is some kind of activist who "cares" about injustice in China, while the country in which he lives is committing crimes around the world on the daily basis, he's just a stooge for the military industrial complex , he's not brave , he's useful for FOX NEWS, CNN , who are seeking hard for another armed conflict with the foreign country.

I see you have reading comprehension struggles, and that's ok, read the first part of my post again, if you want to press reply read it again and again and again until it sticks.

Also I see you are completely ignorant to reality mate, probably under 20 or in that area ,his country is I quote:

"while the country in which he lives is committing crimes around the world on the daily basis"

this one is disregarding the obvious facts that he is banned from his country and part of his family was at times arrested and had to publicly dettach from enes kanter's actions

Also your mental gymnastics are top notch in the next post as well, basically you are undermining your own ideas

Mickey8 wrote:He was supporting the coup in Turkey, he was close with Erdogan's main enemy who lives in the USA and is not that good of a guy either .

so let me get this straight one one hand his country is bad as **** and is committing war crimes , on the other hand the fact that he supports overthrowing the ruler of the country who is a criminal dictator is not good either because YOU KNOW FOR A FACT that "the other guy is not that good of a guy either" ... really , you can't make this **** up

thank you for providing me quality and cringey entertainment this morning, you can reply and have your last words I'm done arguing with you, probably you are mad that enes took a big brick and layed it out on your boy and you can't cope with it

Gülens group and the AKP were buddies for a good time. They were so tight once, that Erdogan even asked for him to return to Turkey.

Both guys and their followers are pretty similar and are the reason, why Turkey is in a crisis.

threethehardway · Post #173 » by **threethehardway** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:43 am

Kanter is annoying as hell. Such self rightousness over nothing.

CIN-C-STAR · Post #174 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:55 am

MrBigShot wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:
Country, family, safety. Kanter's family essentially can't associate with him for their own safety. Kanter has literally refused to leave the country (London when the Knicks went there for example) for fear of being murdered or arrested. He's sacrificed a lot and put a target on his head. Not a we don't like this guy target either, his life is potentially in danger if he travels outside of the US. And as far as the NBA goes, teams certainly view any off the court distraction as negative so he's not doing himself any favors there.

LeBron has done a lot of good for social causes but he can't really say anything in this situation, because he knows Kanter is correct and the best LeBron can do is feign ignorance.

But why is he singling out Lebron when it comes to NBA's involvements with China? Lebron doesn't broker deals .Kanter is playing for a team who's part of an association in partnership with China. Kanter has nothing to lose by doing this. Dude even went to Silver and asked if he was breaking any rules and Silver said no. So there are no consequences. What would happen if he accused the NBA?

What exactly is he risking right now? What is Xi Jinping gonna send an assassins to take him out at an NBA game?

With the bold you are asking if his life is in danger as of this moment, and the answer is no. But the question I answered asked what he sacrificed.

As to why he singled out LeBron, I think it's a fair criticism (since Kanter's teammates also have Nike deals) and comes down to 2 reasons: he hates LeBron, and LeBron is one of the faces of Nike.

Going after Lebron brings the most attention to the cause, and Lebron asaked for it with his questionble comments RE: Morey's Tweet.
That's the obvious answer. And it's working.
Not like he gonna wear shoes going after Ish Smith for running a Nike camp or something :lol:

JN61 · Post #175 » by **JN61** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:07 am

So many angry little men their guy was attacked like this. I love it.

JN61 · Post #176 » by **JN61** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:09 am

Mephariel wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
CIN-C-STAR wrote:First off, those are some amazing kicks. Seriously. Bravo to the artist.

Secondly, good on Kanter. That's what free speech is for.

Last, I wonder what China's reaction will be? Will they cancel the NBA again? Will they try to have Kanter assassinated?
I mean, they just disappeared a former professional tennis athlete for coming forward with a claim of sexual assault against a party member. Assassination seems farfetched but it would certainly be easier, and possibly more lucrative, for Kanter to just cash those checks and be quiet. Gotta give him some credit for bravery here, agree or disagree.

Yep - going against Lebron/China does take a lot of balls (excuse my language)

It doesn't. He is not a star. He has nothing to lose. This is the only way he can get attention.

Thats why message could come from the league office not to hire him anymore like that one guy who had heated gamer moment. He has EVERYTHING to lose because he is roleplayer. Get a grip.

Jfh20 · Post #177 » by **Jfh20** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:10 am

whats funny about this is the nba has been pushing this social justise bull for the longest now but i am more than sure they have already warned kanter to pipe down by now or risk being banned from the league. You cannot target lebron in the nba, at any cost. Adam silver will not tolerate it. bron is the so called "face" of the nba and targetting him makes the league look bad. Nba ratings are already at all time low as is.

-Luke- · Post #178 » by **-Luke-** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:12 am

D.Brasco wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:I respect Kanter for speaking out against China, but so weird that he's singling out LeBron. He has teammates with Nike deals.

People always come at the King.

You come at the king, you best not miss.

JN61 · Post #179 » by **JN61** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:27 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:Outside of tweeting, what has Kanter done that was of any risk to him personally?

What has Kanter done that can even compare to Lebron's I Promise School?

To answer this question would need me to delve deep into politics, and we are not allowed to go down that rabbit-hole here. Especially if I had to compare the plight of those that Kanter is standing up for (the Uyghurs, Tibetans, etc)... with the social justice issues that Lebron speaks about, with most of these issues (but not all) being farcical. AFAIC, Kanter takes a stand for people who are actually downtrodden... and against governments/systems that are actually oppressive... who could actually retaliate against him... and that's all I will say.

By the way, when you say Lebron's I Promise School... do you mean the school that Lebron's foundation is providing 25% of the funding (with money obtained from donors, such as Harvey Weinstein, and not 25% of Lebron's money)... while Akron's taxpayers are funding the other 75%?

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/08/whos_paying_for_lebron_james_n_1.html

lebron paying 25 percent for a public building and finessing the middle/upper class to pay for a school that helps poor kids is a pretty big W in my book. I think people just dont like that he feels the need to take credit for it.

I will say this though.... I FULLY believe there are people at nike who are giving LBJ the most articulate propaganda of how this is a two sided issue and that the nazi camps in china might not even be a real thing, so I get why he seems to stay out of it.

LeBron doing 25% of the work and collecting 100% of the credits. Where I have seen this before? Oh right on the basketball court when he wins championships...

dcstanley · Post #180 » by **dcstanley** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:30 am

mediocrityrules wrote:
dockingsched wrote:People actually think Kanter is being brave? He’s not risking a single thing. This is so confusing.

Seriously, most people need to do a bit of research on Kanter.

He is publicly outspoken on many issues. To the point that he had his Turkish passport revoked and he and his family were declared terrorists by the Turkish president, and he receives thousands of death threats a year, mainly from Turkey, after his pro-democracy stance flew in the face of the Turkish President.

He has risked his family over his views. He doesn't travel overseas anymore due to the threats on his life.

I don't want anyone on here being so ignorant to say that Enes Kanter doesn't ever risk anything to put his views across, and that he's not a man that doesn't stand for what he believes in.

Kanter is a Gulenist, a cult that is everything he claims the CCP to be. Fethullah Gulen was a major player in Turkey's descent into a right wing authoritarian nation characterized by journalistic suppression and the violation of freedom of expression, assembly, and association. He's the leader of the political cult that Kanter is a member of which was initially partners with Turkey's current leader Erdogan. Gulen lost a power struggle, left the nation and his supporters were suppressed. Kanter's problem with Turkish dictatorship started then.