Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Madd Squabbles]

I as fake GM of the Sixers has just traded Simmons to my friend who is fake GM for the Pels. I am a die-hard Sixers fan and he is a die hard Pels fan.

We made proposals and counter-proposals for over an hour but we finally struck a deal that we will both tolerate. I want your opinion on the trade we hashed out.

Sixers get Ingram

Pels get Simmons and 2 FRPs.

My thinking is that Ingram would make the Sixers an instant contender and that the pics will be very low. Also, the Sixers don't really have time to babysit anymore 19 year olds because we have a team full of young developing talent.

My friend loves Ingram and really doesn't care for Simmons but he feels that Simmons will help the tank this year and the 2 FRP's can help the Pels to trade for a star from another team.

[Kobblehead]

Nah, Pelicans ain't getting picks from us. If they want to do the swap, great. If not, they can just sell Ingram for pennies on the dollar when he and Zion demand a trade.

[Madd Squabbles]

Tyrese Haliburton and Sadiq Bey have both kinda been underwhelming this year.

You won't get players back in a trade who is tearing up the NBA. This is the time to trade for players like that.

[Kobblehead]

I mean, people can poke holes in anyone leverage. Ingram is tearing up the league offensively, but he's a terrible defensive player, the Pelicans are 3-14 and their front office is getting in actual fights with their coaching staff. Pelicans have no leverage, either.

[Madd Squabbles]

I mean, people can poke holes in anyone leverage. Ingram is tearing up the league offensively, but he's a terrible defensive player, the Pelicans are 3-14 and their front office is getting in actual fights with their coaching staff. Pelicans have no leverage, either.

Pels absolutely have leverage. They have the player we need. That's leverage.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Tyrese Haliburton and Sadiq Bey have both kinda been underwhelming this year.

You won't get players back in a trade who is tearing up the NBA. This is the time to trade for players like that.

I agree, I think that's why the idea of Fox has re-emerged. Back in the summer people were saying that a Fox for Simmons swap was absolutely out of the question. Now that Fox is kind of having a down year, it seems like a possibility again.

[the_process]

I as fake GM of the Sixers has just traded Simmons to my friend who is fake GM for the Pels. I am a die-hard Sixers fan and he is a die hard Pels fan.

We made proposals and counter-proposals for over an hour but we finally struck a deal that we will both tolerate. I want your opinion on the trade we hashed out.

Sixers get Ingram

Pels get Simmons and 2 FRPs.

My thinking is that Ingram would make the Sixers an instant contender and that the pics will be very low. Also, the Sixers don't really have time to babysit anymore 19 year olds because we have a team full of young developing talent.

My friend loves Ingram and really doesn't care for Simmons but he feels that Simmons will help the tank this year and the 2 FRP's can help the Pels to trade for a star from another team.

Add NAW for Milton, and I could live with that price. Otherwise it's at least a 1st high IMO.

[Madd Squabbles]

I mean, people can poke holes in anyone leverage. Ingram is tearing up the league offensively, but he's a terrible defensive player, the Pelicans are 3-14 and their front office is getting in actual fights with their coaching staff. Pelicans have no leverage, either.

Wait! There was a fight between the Pels GM and coaching staff!?! When did this happen!?! Can you post a link because Google doesn't have anything on this?

[Madd Squabbles]

Tyrese Haliburton and Sadiq Bey have both kinda been underwhelming this year.

You won't get players back in a trade who is tearing up the NBA. This is the time to trade for players like that.

I agree, I think that's why the idea of Fox has re-emerged. Back in the summer people were saying that a Fox for Simmons swap was absolutely out of the question. Now that Fox is kind of having a down year, it seems like a possibility again.

Not only is it a possibility but unlike this Summer most fans actually want it to happen now and some are even willing to throw in a lil something to make it happen.

[Madd Squabbles]

I as fake GM of the Sixers has just traded Simmons to my friend who is fake GM for the Pels. I am a die-hard Sixers fan and he is a die hard Pels fan.

We made proposals and counter-proposals for over an hour but we finally struck a deal that we will both tolerate. I want your opinion on the trade we hashed out.

Sixers get Ingram

Pels get Simmons and 2 FRPs.

My thinking is that Ingram would make the Sixers an instant contender and that the pics will be very low. Also, the Sixers don't really have time to babysit anymore 19 year olds because we have a team full of young developing talent.

My friend loves Ingram and really doesn't care for Simmons but he feels that Simmons will help the tank this year and the 2 FRP's can help the Pels to trade for a star from another team.

Add NAW for Milton, and I could live with that price. Otherwise it's at least a 1st high IMO.

It really was a compromise on both our part. Neither one of us was totally happy with the deal but accepted it. He really wanted Maxey in any deal for Ingram. Even offered a lottery-protected FRP to me along with Ingram but I refused to trade Maxey under any circumstances. I offered Simmons, Milton, and Springer for Ingram but he said no. He also wanted Curry which I couldn't do. There were lots and lots of proposals and counter-proposals before we settled on the trade.

[Kobblehead]

I do not see the Pelicans getting a superstar package for Brandon Ingram. That's the package Morey is likely dangling for Lillard, Beal, and Harden.

Most seem to view Brandon Ingram in the same tier as DeAaron Fox and DeAngelo Russell. Swap territory. Not assets going out with Simmons.

[Madd Squabbles]

I do not see the Pelicans getting a superstar package for Brandon Ingram. That's the package Morey is likely dangling for Lillard, Beal, and Harden.

I personally would rather Ingram over all of those players. Ingram is only 24 years old and has already been an all-star. He's an ascending player. 24/5/7 and 42% from 3 at 6'8" with a 7'3' wingspan. 3 level scorer. Lillard and Harden are on the decline and I don't think Beal is attainable. The only player I think would be a better fit than Ingram is SGA but he's not available either.

[Bum Adebayo]

Ingram for Simmons would be the steal of the century, it would also be amazing to see 1st pick Bum Simmons traded for 2nd pick Ingram, and the later being a key contributor to a championship for Sixers, showing how fake was that 1st pick.

[Mik317]

you all have this weird idea that perfect players exist but are also available for Ben.

Fox has flaws. Ingram has flaws. Even the best of the best have flaws. Curry is destroying things right now...but is doing so via the best defense in the league being able to hide him on defense and have Draymond actually run the offense...and you can make the case that he has not been able to truly carry teams in the playoffs via him not having any finals MVPs. The point being that while yeah getting stars is the goal./..basketball is a team sport. Embiid is great but can't close due to his position and general fumbly dumbly ness lol. So while yeah Fox or Ingram haven't shown the ability to drag their teams into the playoffs...maybe they can be the answer to that with Biid making up for their issues on the other end of the floor and generally not having to be the main option for the entire game... i mean Seth has looked like a smaller version of his brother at times thanks to Biid's attention and thats with Biid being ass for most of this year offensively lol. I mean hell Ben and Biid being a clunky dunky fit has had major success ffs. The playoff issues is that both struggle at the end of game get a bucket time..maybe that is something Maxey can fix if given the chance idk...but the constant nitpicking that whoever we get for Ben isn't the perfect great player is nuts to me. That player does not exist...like even in the dream world the guy we bring back will have things that need to be covered or lived with...that is the nature of the game.

[sixers hoops]

I as fake GM of the Sixers has just traded Simmons to my friend who is fake GM for the Pels. I am a die-hard Sixers fan and he is a die hard Pels fan.

We made proposals and counter-proposals for over an hour but we finally struck a deal that we will both tolerate. I want your opinion on the trade we hashed out.

Sixers get Ingram

Pels get Simmons and 2 FRPs.

My thinking is that Ingram would make the Sixers an instant contender and that the pics will be very low. Also, the Sixers don't really have time to babysit anymore 19 year olds because we have a team full of young developing talent.

My friend loves Ingram and really doesn't care for Simmons but he feels that Simmons will help the tank this year and the 2 FRP's can help the Pels to trade for a star from another team.

If the final offer was two firsts, then I prob shoot it down. I think the deal is pretty close, but I don’t know that I would give two firsts. I hold draft picks as extremely valuable, so I don’t think I would do it. Maybe if they were protected top 20 or so, then I wouldn’t have the concern of an Embiid injury leaving us handing over a more valuable pick than anticipated.

[GoSixersBro]

you all have this weird idea that perfect players exist but are also available for Ben.

Fox has flaws. Ingram has flaws. Even the best of the best have flaws. Curry is destroying things right now...but is doing so via the best defense in the league being able to hide him on defense and have Draymond actually run the offense...and you can make the case that he has not been able to truly carry teams in the playoffs via him not having any finals MVPs. The point being that while yeah getting stars is the goal./..basketball is a team sport. Embiid is great but can't close due to his position and general fumbly dumbly ness lol. So while yeah Fox or Ingram haven't shown the ability to drag their teams into the playoffs...maybe they can be the answer to that with Biid making up for their issues on the other end of the floor and generally not having to be the main option for the entire game... i mean Seth has looked like a smaller version of his brother at times thanks to Biid's attention and thats with Biid being ass for most of this year offensively lol. I mean hell Ben and Biid being a clunky dunky fit has had major success ffs. The playoff issues is that both struggle at the end of game get a bucket time..maybe that is something Maxey can fix if given the chance idk...but the constant nitpicking that whoever we get for Ben isn't the perfect great player is nuts to me. That player does not exist...like even in the dream world the guy we bring back will have things that need to be covered or lived with...that is the nature of the game.

Agreed and I've shared this same sentiment for years. I call it the LeBron syndrome. Because we witnessed the quintessential complete player, we now hold him as the standard for any and every draft prospect or main piece in a trade package. If Player A's strengths plug a hole that the team needs more than anything, then the weakness is something you have to deal with.

[sixers hoops]

Nah, Sixers were coming off a stretch were we made the playoffs in 4 out of 5 years before Hinkie's tear down. The Kings were an incompetently run organization for 15 years straight by the time Fox got drafted. No one player can overcome that. Prime Cousins couldn't even lift them to the playoffs.

Straight up swap for Simmons & Fox

We’re a lot worse and they make the playoffs

Not hard

I don’t see anyway they give up Fox for Ben. I would do it in a heartbeat though.

[sixers hoops]

you all have this weird idea that perfect players exist but are also available for Ben.

Fox has flaws. Ingram has flaws. Even the best of the best have flaws. Curry is destroying things right now...but is doing so via the best defense in the league being able to hide him on defense and have Draymond actually run the offense...and you can make the case that he has not been able to truly carry teams in the playoffs via him not having any finals MVPs. The point being that while yeah getting stars is the goal./..basketball is a team sport. Embiid is great but can't close due to his position and general fumbly dumbly ness lol. So while yeah Fox or Ingram haven't shown the ability to drag their teams into the playoffs...maybe they can be the answer to that with Biid making up for their issues on the other end of the floor and generally not having to be the main option for the entire game... i mean Seth has looked like a smaller version of his brother at times thanks to Biid's attention and thats with Biid being ass for most of this year offensively lol. I mean hell Ben and Biid being a clunky dunky fit has had major success ffs. The playoff issues is that both struggle at the end of game get a bucket time..maybe that is something Maxey can fix if given the chance idk...but the constant nitpicking that whoever we get for Ben isn't the perfect great player is nuts to me. That player does not exist...like even in the dream world the guy we bring back will have things that need to be covered or lived with...that is the nature of the game.

Agreed and I've shared this same sentiment for years. I call it the LeBron syndrome. Because we witnessed the quintessential complete player, we now hold him as the standard for any and every draft prospect or main piece in a trade package. If Player A's strengths plug a hole that the team needs more than anything, then the weakness is something you have to deal with.

I don’t see many posters looking for a perfect player. A large majority would take Fox, Ingram, Shai, Lavine, etc in a heartbeat, despite their flaws. When someone suggest we give up two firsts and Ben to get Ingram, of course we might discuss Ingram’s weaknesses and if he is worth giving up two firsts for. However, other than one or two routinely contrarian posters, and a group of Australian fans who overrate Ben, I think over 95% of posters take Fox or Ingram straight up for Ben in a heartbeat.

[Kobblehead]

The Bluecoats could be part of the answer to the Simmons saga. Here's how.

No team in their right mind will offer anything of value for Simmons until they see him play again. They want to know he's in shape, and that's he's made improvements to his game particularly free throw shooting and an occasional mid range jumper. But Simmons refuses to play for the Sixers and so nothing changes. But if Simmons does come back and plays well everything changes. He would the hottest commodity in the league especially to the small market teams looking for a star with name power.

But again, he refuses to play for the Sixers and he can't be traded for value sight unseen. He simply doesn't want to face the Philly crowd. I would make him a deal. Get in shape. Work on your flaws at St. Joe's and when he's ready we send him on a "rehab" stint to Delaware for a few games. It's not NBA level talent but just seeing him play well and improved would be enough for some GMs to make real offers for him. If he plays well and gets himself traded for value I'd give him back all the fine money. If he stinks it up, then no harm done, we trade him for what we can get.

The idea makes sense.

But the likelihood of the arrogant Ben Simmons and Rich Paul ever agreeing to something like this (which they would surely view as undignified) is very small.

[76ciology]

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