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[Tor_Raps]

Barnes needs to be assertive from the very beginning. I'm waiting for him to have his moment and then take over from there on.

Difference is that Fred demands the ball during those hand offs so it's hard for Barnes to do that. He's a rookie and just trying to find his place in the league. With more time, I'm confident we'll see the shift to more Barnes.

[Tha Cynic]

They say play within the flow of the offense. In the Raptors current offense playing within the flow means passing the ball and never getting it back.

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[Tha Cynic]

Not even mad. Gets us one loss closer to a good pick next year. This core needs more young talent.

This team has some decent young talent. They need a major shakeup in the pecking order.

[EFF3KT]

Barnes needs to be assertive from the very beginning. I'm waiting for him to have his moment and then take over from there on.

I imagine it'd be hard to do that when Pascal comes running at you clapping his hands furiously for the ball.
It's frustrating to watch him take the ball from Scottie then struggle to convert.
He had a fantastic game last game and props to him but this was also against one of the worst teams in the league and that crap doesn't fly against GOOD NBA teams.
Good play making, motion, and ball movement like what we saw tonight from GSW is winning basketball and fortifies a collaborative culture where everyone will get theirs if they buy into the system.
We just have no system in place for a guy like Scottie to thrive.

[Kevin Willis]

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Nurse is a mad man!

He is right though Mr. Databasepassword. Translate: They make mistakes right now, give it some time before they get it.

[YogurtProducer]

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He isn’t wrong entirely. Our defence hasn’t been great, but we’ve been entirely on the wrong side of some 3 point luck. Wiggins going 6/6 at one point? Poole at like 8/11 and Porter 5/9.

We seem to keep getting destroyed by very meh players. And yes, part of it is our less than stellar efforts lately, but even the worst defences in the world in NBA history don’t give up 49%, 44%, 41%, 43% (our last 4 losses).

Our effort has to be a bit better, but I’m pretty confident we’re not nearly as bad as it’s looked lately.

[traps#10]

Saw and predicted this issue in the summer. We need Barnes to run Point for him to develop. Barnes development should be priority #1

[Bruin]

It seems Precious is more effective coming off the bench so I’m glad we made that switch. He’s been solid recently. Good to see

[YogurtProducer]

Barnes needs to be assertive from the very beginning. I'm waiting for him to have his moment and then take over from there on.

I imagine it'd be hard to do that when Pascal comes running at you clapping his hands furiously for the ball.
It's frustrating to watch him take the ball from Scottie then struggle to convert.
He had a fantastic game last game and props to him but this was also against one of the worst teams in the league and that crap doesn't fly against GOOD NBA teams.
Good play making, motion, and ball movement like what we saw tonight from GSW is winning basketball and fortifies a collaborative culture where everyone will get theirs if they buy into the system.
We just have no system in place for a guy like Scottie to thrive.

?? Is this really the game to crap on Pascal? 21 points on 17 shots, Barnes had 10 points on 11 shots.

He’s been pretty damn good all year offensively outside a stinker against Utah.

[Tha Cynic]

Don't forget Trent. This systemxand chemistry is atrocious.

Gary Trent Jr might be my least favourite player on the team. He just plays such an annoying brand of basketball. He's only able to look for his own shot. He's made like 3 swing passes the entire season. He is either unable or unwilling to playmake for others. He's the type of player you would absolutely hate playing with. All me and no we.

This is why i think Nurse is clueless as a coach. Just too many isos at this point. GTJ is allowed to shoot whenever he has the ball without cautioning him.

This would be fine if every other Raptor other than Barnes and Birch weren't also doing the same thing. It's like Nurse has told everyone to just jack up shots and not look to run anything.

I'm also not liking that Banton is playing more of an attack style of offense than the facilitator style he started the season with. This team is just not developing players to play a team game right now, and you can see it in the way the young players have had to change their game.

I'm most impressed with Precious. He has figured out how to reign it back a bit.

[Chandan]

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He isn’t wrong entirely. Our defence hasn’t been great, but we’ve been entirely on the wrong side of some 3 point luck. Wiggins going 6/6 at one point? Poole at like 8/11 and Porter 5/9.

We seem to keep getting destroyed by very meh players. And yes, part of it is our less than stellar efforts lately, but even the worst defences in the world in NBA history don’t give up 49%, 44%, 41%, 43% (our last 4 losses).

Our effort has to be a bit better, but I’m pretty confident we’re not nearly as bad as it’s looked lately.

There's definitely some luck to 3 point shooting, but the hard doubles (and some hilarious triples) on Steph means the rest of the GSW roster got to take some of the most open, practice shoot-around jumpers they've probably seen all year.

The defense we employed on Steph was to get it out of his hands and hope the rest of the team misses. Not necessarily a bad strategy but you can't be surprised that scrubs go off when you sell out like that.

[Tha Cynic]

How does a team that was 6-3 and playing amazing defense suddenly fall off a cliff defensively? Our defense was so sound and tight and now it's one of the worst in the league. Like what changed?

We were playing mediocre teams in that stretch. Also, it was just a matter of time for other teams to figure out how to adjust to our overreacting defense and basic offense.

Bingo.

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He isn’t wrong entirely. Our defence hasn’t been great, but we’ve been entirely on the wrong side of some 3 point luck. Wiggins going 6/6 at one point? Poole at like 8/11 and Porter 5/9.

We seem to keep getting destroyed by very meh players. And yes, part of it is our less than stellar efforts lately, but even the worst defences in the world in NBA history don’t give up 49%, 44%, 41%, 43% (our last 4 losses).

Our effort has to be a bit better, but I’m pretty confident we’re not nearly as bad as it’s looked lately.

I feel like we've been on the same page a lot recently, especially when it comes to three-point variance lol.

As I said earlier in the thread, we were absolutely killed by hot shooting from pretty mediocre three-point shooting role players. Poole came into this game shooting 35/114 (31%) on open+wide open shots, Wiggins was shooting 24/76 (32%) and Porter was shooting 17/44 (39%). On open+wide open shots, those three combined to shoot 33% heading into tonight. Without even looking at the stats (as soon as they are NBA.com I can edit this post), I know they completely blew those numbers away as they shot 68%. They literally shot twice as well as they typically do -- and they did it on insanely high volume (29 combined 3FGA when they average 16 combined 3FGA on the season).

Sometimes all you can do is tip your cap to the other team's players for playing one of their best games of the season.

[Chandan]

Poole is a heck of talent. What a system to develop in and mentored by the greatest shooter of all time. He's got a bright future.

i think hes pretty comparable to trent with trent being better at creating his own shot.

[v1n5anity]

Only thing that can save us is FVV getting injured or Pascal getting injured as well. Seriously sick of watching these two on the Raps. I want to see us develop the other players especially Barnes.

[HumbleRen]

Poole is a heck of talent. What a system to develop in and mentored by the greatest shooter of all time. He's got a bright future.

i think hes pretty comparable to trent with trent being better at creating his own shot.

Except Poole has a way higher ball IQ which is the biggest difference between them.

[HumbleRen]

Only thing that can save us is FVV getting injured or Pascal getting injured as well. Seriously sick of watching these two on the Raps. I want to see us develop the other players especially Barnes.

Cmon dude, don't say crap like that.

[Ref_from_hell]

How does a team that was 6-3 and playing amazing defense suddenly fall off a cliff defensively? Our defense was so sound and tight and now it's one of the worst in the league. Like what changed?

We were playing mediocre teams in that stretch. Also, it was just a matter of time for other teams to figure out how to adjust to our overreacting defense and basic offense.

Bingo.

I didn't realize the Celtics, Wizards, New York, and Sixers were mediocre. Keep pushing your agenda Mr. cynical