Lebron fouls Stewart, leading to Altercation Pt. Duex

[LAL1947]

Wow, people here are ridiculous. This kind of stuff makes certain people come out in droves to create their own narratives in order to further fuel their own hatred. LeBron very clearly was annoyed with being grabbed and tried to hit Stewart's arm off him hard (which he shouldn't have done) but accidentally hit him the face. You actually think he was deliberately trying to punch Stewart in the face? When have you ever seen LeBron legitimately try to get into a fight? Way too image-focused and definitely wouldn't want to piss off someone that big, which something like that would be guaranteed to do.

Even without the intent to hit him in the face, the result happened, and so LeBron should be suspended a game. But what Stewart did is clearly worse. Absolutely unhinged rage that caused him to have to be restrained like 10 different times, and then he ran into the tunnel to try to beat the hell out of LeBron on the other end, all the while putting teammates and staff members at risk in his efforts. That kind of hotheadedness is absolutely insane and makes him a real on-court danger. I haven't seen a dude lose his cool that much since Malice at the Palace. If his teammates (way to go Cade) staff members didn't do the job they did, Stewart legitimately might have done something to cost himself his career.

Well, I disagree about it being unintentional. I also have no problem with Stewart playing hard.

However, agreed with your 2nd paragraph. The way Stewart reacted to Blake Griffin, when he bumped into him and stood over him reminded me a little of a badly trained Pitbull at the dog park, that wants to exert physical dominance. Today's reaction was a lot worse. I get that he had every right to be angry and would have understood a response in the immediate aftermath. But after he has been separated from the scuffle multiple times... to run back bowling a bunch of people over in the process, then try running through to the other end of the tunnel... at some point, he needs to stop seeing red... and if he can't, that can become a problem. I do not know if one of the other Lakers players (DJ, Russ, etc) said something to provoke those later reactions though. It's why I'm curious to see how the NBA deals with this.

[fanofthegreats]

Wow, this board has lost its damn mind with the LeBron hate. No it wasn’t an intentional fist to Stewart’s face. Anyone can clearly see that.

[monopoman]

Wow, this board has lost its damn mind with the LeBron hate. No it wasn’t an intentional fist to Stewart’s face. Anyone can clearly see that.

Is that why the refs gave LBJ a Flagrant 2 and tossed him from the game?

Flagrant Foul Penalty 2: Unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent

Acting like LBJ just did it by bad luck is a joke.

[yoyoboy]

Wow, people here are ridiculous. This kind of stuff makes certain people come out in droves to create their own narratives in order to further fuel their own hatred. LeBron very clearly was annoyed with being grabbed and tried to hit Stewart's arm off him hard (which he shouldn't have done) but accidentally hit him the face. You actually think he was deliberately trying to punch Stewart in the face? When have you ever seen LeBron legitimately try to get into a fight? Way too image-focused and definitely wouldn't want to piss off someone that big, which something like that would be guaranteed to do.

Even without the intent to hit him in the face, the result happened, and so LeBron should be suspended a game. But what Stewart did is clearly worse. Absolutely unhinged rage that caused him to have to be restrained like 10 different times, and then he ran into the tunnel to try to beat the hell out of LeBron on the other end, all the while putting teammates and staff members at risk in his efforts. That kind of hotheadedness is absolutely insane and makes him a real on-court danger. I haven't seen a dude lose his cool that much since Malice at the Palace. If his teammates (way to go Cade) staff members didn't do the job they did, Stewart legitimately might have done something to cost himself his career.

Watch the video from above, Lebron intentionally hit him in the face, it was clear as day. Trying to create your own narrative isn't going to change that.

I watched it before I made the post. And it's absolutely clear as day when he throws his fist backwards he's not even looking at Stewart, doesn't realize he's leaning over like that, and is likely trying to hit that arm pushing him. If you think LeBron was actually trying to punch Stewart in the face MMA style and then start a fight just for pushing him, I feel like you're either not a very bright individual or too far gone in terms of hate bias, and that you haven't seem to pay attention to LeBron's career at all. The fact that you think that's the more reasonable possibility than trying to hit the hand away that was pushing him is hilarious.

[Johnny Bball]

If James doesn’t get two plus games, the NBA has zero integrity and should just admit it’s sports entertainment.

[art_tatum]

Man i don't know how LeBron stans like the ones who have posted can defend his actions.
I as a KD Stan would be criticizing his snake ass if he sucker punched a 20 yr old on the box. Regardless if you think Stewart is fake tough. Fact is LeBron back pedaled off quickly when it looked liked Stewart went next level and mightve broken free. Then he hid behind Westbrook and DJ/Dwight during the 2nd attempt.

LeBron needs to apologize to Stewart and to the kids that look up to him.

[eminence]

I'm pretty sure LeBron has all-universe body awareness and noticed that Stewarts arm was under his (LeBron was pushing down on it a moment before). He hit him in the face intentionally.

[Ballerhogger]

Vogel is happy for the distraction, he was getting canned tnight 100%

And we go on win the game some how

[The Rebel]

Wow, people here are ridiculous. This kind of stuff makes certain people come out in droves to create their own narratives in order to further fuel their own hatred. LeBron very clearly was annoyed with being grabbed and tried to hit Stewart's arm off him hard (which he shouldn't have done) but accidentally hit him the face. You actually think he was deliberately trying to punch Stewart in the face? When have you ever seen LeBron legitimately try to get into a fight? Way too image-focused and definitely wouldn't want to piss off someone that big, which something like that would be guaranteed to do.

Even without the intent to hit him in the face, the result happened, and so LeBron should be suspended a game. But what Stewart did is clearly worse. Absolutely unhinged rage that caused him to have to be restrained like 10 different times, and then he ran into the tunnel to try to beat the hell out of LeBron on the other end, all the while putting teammates and staff members at risk in his efforts. That kind of hotheadedness is absolutely insane and makes him a real on-court danger. I haven't seen a dude lose his cool that much since Malice at the Palace. If his teammates (way to go Cade) staff members didn't do the job they did, Stewart legitimately might have done something to cost himself his career.

Watch the video from above, Lebron intentionally hit him in the face, it was clear as day. Trying to create your own narrative isn't going to change that.

I watched it before I made the post. And it's absolutely clear as day when he throws his fist backwards he's not even looking at Stewart and is likely trying to hit that arm pushing him. If you think LeBron was actually trying to punch Stewart in the face MMA style and then start a fight just for pushing him, I feel like you're either not a very bright individual or too far gone in terms of hate bias, and that you haven't seem to pay attention to LeBron's career at all. The fact that you think that's the more reasonable possibility than trying to hit the hand away that was pushing him is hilarious.

He is looking directly at him as his fist makes contact. It you funny you are insulting others, when the only people that cannot see the truth are Lebron stans like you.

[Soulyss]

Lebron should get 2-3 games. Stewart should get a large fine for delaying the game, maybe one game out.

I think it is funny there are posters who are basically saying you can punch people in the face as long as you check on them afterward.

That wasn't delaying the game, that was a straight up meltdown with a total disregard for his teammates, coaching staff, medical staff, security personal, police et al. Dude went off the rails over a bad play.

Stewart behaved like an idiot... but he did get a clearly intentional elbow to the face. That was a cheap shot by Lebron, and if anyone doesn't think that was intentional they need to see an optometrist.

[whitehops]

Both deserve suspensions from what I've seen of it. I never have any idea what the proper number games is.

bynum got five games for this:

Watch on YouTube

and metta world peace got seven games for this:

Watch on YouTube

take from those that what you will, though those plays were a long time ago.

[SlovenianDragon]

LeShook James was peeing his pants when he saw Stewart breaking tackles trying to get to him lol! He was ready to feed Westbrook to Stewart. ESPN are up to their usual mental gymnastics trying to bend the narrative in favour of “LeBrawn”. Apparently LeShook was “trying to get Stewart’s arm off of him” and “not aim for his head” yet somehow Stewart’s face got covered in his own blood. Go figure

Media and people are biased when there is really no need to be. No reason for fake narratives.

My favorite player is Booker. If he did this I would be pissed. I would want him suspended. Just because hes my favorite player... plays on my favorite team... doesnt give him a pass to me. In fact I would be mad that he hurt another player hurt how i and others view him and how people view the suns.

Laker and LeBron fans should be upset with him.

[Up-And-Coming]

What happened to part 1 of this topic?

Apparently they deleted the whole thing.

Tbh I don't really understand why that was deleted. I created the initial thread and people posted their polarizing and emotional opinions which they're doing here also.

[Soulyss]

Lebron will get at least one game for this, probably two. Jokic's was just as bad, but at least his was clearly retaliation from a cheap shot.

Stewart will get a fine, no suspension.

[yoyoboy]

Wow, people here are ridiculous. This kind of stuff makes certain people come out in droves to create their own narratives in order to further fuel their own hatred. LeBron very clearly was annoyed with being grabbed and tried to hit Stewart's arm off him hard (which he shouldn't have done) but accidentally hit him the face. You actually think he was deliberately trying to punch Stewart in the face? When have you ever seen LeBron legitimately try to get into a fight? Way too image-focused and definitely wouldn't want to piss off someone that big, which something like that would be guaranteed to do.

Even without the intent to hit him in the face, the result happened, and so LeBron should be suspended a game. But what Stewart did is clearly worse. Absolutely unhinged rage that caused him to have to be restrained like 10 different times, and then he ran into the tunnel to try to beat the hell out of LeBron on the other end, all the while putting teammates and staff members at risk in his efforts. That kind of hotheadedness is absolutely insane and makes him a real on-court danger. I haven't seen a dude lose his cool that much since Malice at the Palace. If his teammates (way to go Cade) staff members didn't do the job they did, Stewart legitimately might have done something to cost himself his career.

So I'm guessing you didnt see the top view where Lebron looked over at Stewarts face before he swung while biting down on his lip after.. yea keep up with the narrative that Lebron is a wholesome perfect rolemodle for children and would never do wrong.

God this board is an absolute trainwreck. Thank god for the Player Comparison board. The GB is just a bunch of children who hate everyone and everything but especially certain star players, LeBron being one of them. The video above shows clear as day he's not even looking at Stewart when he throws the fist backwards and is trying to hit the arm away that's pushing him. The absurdity in thinking LeBron was actually trying to start a fight by punching a dude square in the face for pushing him on a rebound is so stupid, especially when throughout a near-20 year career we've never LeBron try to do anything like that before, even after getting hit in the face and taking way worse punishment.

When did I ever say LeBron was a perfect role model for children? I disagree with plenty of things he does, including his silence on China. But in this case, yeah I'm perfectly fine being the reasonable one. You guys are all letting your preconceived hatred for LeBron force you into a really dumb take. Good luck with that.

[trickshot]

it looked reckless at the very least and that's one of the things the league will look at. There's a reason the flagrant foul was invented/revised; to replace the intentional foul and do away with the intent requirement, if you throw a reckless elbow you'll be held accountable, intent or not. Lebron will get a suspension and won't be able to complain about it.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Wow, people here are ridiculous. This kind of stuff makes certain people come out in droves to create their own narratives in order to further fuel their own hatred. LeBron very clearly was annoyed with being grabbed and tried to hit Stewart's arm off him hard (which he shouldn't have done) but accidentally hit him the face. You actually think he was deliberately trying to punch Stewart in the face? When have you ever seen LeBron legitimately try to get into a fight? Way too image-focused and definitely wouldn't want to piss off someone that big, which something like that would be guaranteed to do.

Even without the intent to hit him in the face, the result happened, and so LeBron should be suspended a game. But what Stewart did is clearly worse. Absolutely unhinged rage that caused him to have to be restrained like 10 different times, and then he ran into the tunnel to try to beat the hell out of LeBron on the other end, all the while putting teammates and staff members at risk in his efforts. That kind of hotheadedness is absolutely insane and makes him a real on-court danger. I haven't seen a dude lose his cool that much since Malice at the Palace. If his teammates (way to go Cade) staff members didn't do the job they did, Stewart legitimately might have done something to cost himself his career.

Watch the video from above, Lebron intentionally hit him in the face, it was clear as day. Trying to create your own narrative isn't going to change that.

I watched it before I made the post. And it's absolutely clear as day when he throws his fist backwards he's not even looking at Stewart and is likely trying to hit that arm pushing him. If you think LeBron was actually trying to punch Stewart in the face MMA style and then start a fight just for pushing him, I feel like you're either not a very bright individual or too far gone in terms of hate bias, and that you haven't seem to pay attention to LeBron's career at all. The fact that you think that's the more reasonable possibility than trying to hit the hand away that was pushing him is hilarious.

I watched the video above and it dooooes look like Lebron is giving a quick glance before the incident. Though i cant make a judgement if it's the arm or Stewart. Either way it was reckless. But either way two things can be true at once. It was reckless and people on this forum truly have hatred for Lebron

[GunnerWRX]

Someone brought up Griffin vs Stewart. LeBron reminds me so much of Griffin. They like to do crap and cheap shots, but will shy away when a real fight comes.

Griffin even threw water at fans

Both are class acts.

Watch on YouTube

[Michael Jackson]

Both deserve suspensions from what I've seen of it. I never have any idea what the proper number games is.

bynum got five games for this:

Watch on YouTube

and metta world peace got seven games for this:

Watch on YouTube

take from those that what you will, though those plays were a long time ago.

LeBron deserves a suspension for being careless but those two examples are not the same class. Those are in the class with Kermit and Rudy. And by class I mean classless. LeBron reacted poorly to physical play, do not think he had intent to hurt. Still he was wrong but not like those plays.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Someone brought up Griffin vs Stewart. LeBron reminds me so much of Griffin. They like to do crap and cheap shots, but will shy away when a real fight comes.

Griffin even threw water at fans

Both are class acts.

Watch on YouTube

Dude this isn't MMA nobody on the NBA wants to fight.